Flying Nun Doco

As you've probably seen in the "news" section, 'Heavenly Pop Hits: The Flying Nun Story' is on this Sunday night (7th July) at 10:20pm on TV2. In the "news" section is says the documentary is an hour long, but it's actually an hour and a half long. Just thought you guys should know...

By the way, I've had a sneak preview and it's bloody brilliant!

As you were...

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the new item was based on the information from the Flying Nun web site, thanks for the extra information, i would have hated to run out of tape.

Looks like Flying Nun have updated their site recently - it says an hour and a half up there, PLUS there is a new date on the Nun tour - Ohakune! How about that? Although, it looks like the Paihia date is now not going ahead.
While on the topic, I heard a great interview with the D4 on the radio this morning, they are going to record a John Peel session tomorrow! Apparently he loves the band, and was down the front at their Glastonbury appearance, banging his noggin along to the rock and roll and taking snaps with his camera. Brilliant! Jimmy D4 also went on to say how much he's looking forward to this Nun tour. Should be a doozy I reckon.

peel, you say, will we be able to tune in to bbc1 and hear it like the one with the datuns, any idea of a time on that one ... any one?
and re the nun site i'm keeping a very very close eye on that heheheheh

Yeah, my spy tells me the D4 pre-recorded their Peel Session last night, our time...or something..before they went up to Glasgow...dunno when it's broadcast yet, my spy only got a scrap of information. maybe there's info on the band site, I'm gonna go look...

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Saw the doc. last night- massive. Chris Knox was on such good form! Very informative, well researched and the awesome archived tape footage was the icing on the cake!

I quite enjoyed the doco - it reminded me of what an awesome band the Chills were/are, and some of that band footage was priceless.

Well I enjoyed the doco greatly, it joined a few dots for me.... I will view it again, tonight, as I was watching it with a few other NZMembers while in chat ( surprise surprise), really it's not a bad thing to do, no talking during and mad typing in the adds.
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there was a lot packed in there, but I couldn't help but feel depressed by the end of it, so many 'what if' stories about the bands who did well but never 'made it' and no interviews with Shane Carter or Alastair Parker? (ok he's in N.Y) Only Graeme Humphries had anything really positive or uplifting to say.
It was obviously done on a real budget.
For anyone not familiar with the label (most people) it would have been better to simply show some music videos, live stuff with only short sound bites from band memebers in between in between - less bitter sidewipes at each other from those involved and more focus on the music.

bitter sideswipes are part of the story rdor - look - let's not over-sentimentalise the past - i thought the docu was good in that it showed a few warts ... matthew bannister's attitude bugs me like crazy - he's always had a gigantic chip on his shoulder - but a bucolic docu without it would've been sad ....

It was a salutory message to be reminded (informed) of the barren nature of the landscape in the early 80s - bands scraping together cash / gear to make a video for it to be played once - maybe twice on radio with pictures ....

Graeme Humphries is a true optimist and deserves good things always - Roger Sheppard - despite the urban mythologies that have dogged him - came off well too - did anyone else get a sense of creeping unease about the impact/influence of Chris Knox - short man's disease? - i thought he tacitly admitted that he always wanted flying nun to be a label created 'in his image' -kind of doctrinnaire really, and for me the diversity of flying nun was always part of the joy ....

I felt the same rdor, I enjoyed it but felt down at the end too - like the sense of celebration was missing. I wanted a bit more glorification, a great story where even the tradegies are romanticised. Bit more hype! or beuna vista social club, bit less 3 news. The flying nun story has always been something that as a NZer I am fiercely proud of. Flying Nun and The All Blacks, two things I'd fight over in a London pub.

//It was a salutory message to be reminded (informed) of the barren nature of the landscape in the early 80s //

yep that's very true.

yeah u've got a point there... chris knox did come off as being involved in everything, & tryin to organise it to his belief.
it was so good to see all that footage 7 stories bout those times, & it was also sad to hear bout the fact that so many bands had "good" cd's but there wasn't enough money to publicise those bands :(
it was awesome to see videos of those bands, specially since they don't get played much, cept occasionally on m2. which comes to my next point
why isn't some of the old stuff in general not being played??? why don't we see "love my leather jacket". why don't we see classic billy t james skits (which beat any current "comedy shows) i admit some of the stuff should never be seen again e.g. bananarama, russell crowe...
yeah i know a bit about flying nun, & from what i saw yesterday was really cool, thats the sort of music that NZ produces its a NZ label for NZ music. the bit i liked was the whole thing bout these american guys who looked up to flying nun music as the pinnacle of music...
but it was sad to see the amount of "bad blood" & the bands that could have been great but ended up good. it was sad to realise the HUGE influence flying nun bands & flying nun have had on NZ musicly, if not with songs but in encouraging many bands to succed & make shit hot music.

Interesting doco - the terrible choices they have to make etc. Personally glad they managed to sneak in the Skeptics, Dead C & the like; & relieved they gave as much time as they did to the Headless Chickens (&great Knox anecdotes all the way through, the loveable hobgoblin that he is) - the HCs never really fit anywhere in the Nun (or NZ) myth/mindset & there's a tendency to sweep them into a corner (despite only FN #1 etc).

Omissions
- the "lost generation" of mid-90s bands (Loves Ugly Children, Bressa Creeting Cake, Solid Gold Hell, King Loser, Snapper etc - & selective wrt current bands - D4/Betchadupa but no HDU/Hasselhoff Experiment (or Subliminals, more's the shame)?!?!
- no JPSE
- no Look Blue Go Purple - very few women in the doco overall, actually

Highlights
- the 3Ds bits - they seem like really, really nice people
- realising that I'd been thinking the Gordons sounded like the Stones & thus finally finding one of the big missing links in NZ music
- that they had included the not-so-rosy parts - Bannister vs Sheppard, Brough vs the Fits. Didn't Brough look so . . . sad?

Yes, would've liked to have seen something on Love's Ugly Children and JPSE... still, good doco altogether though. Brough still appeared 'raw' in his interview, genuinely dissapointed and deflated- it seemed to occupy a lot of his mind, huh?

yeah brough still looked pretty bitter.
my fave comment: " well we all shared equipment, band members...and girlfriends"
-martin phillips explaining elements of "the dunedin sound". hahaha classic.

yeah, i did miss hasslehoff & HDU, good point there, 3d's yeah enjoyed that. also enjoyed the garageland segment as well as headless chickends, it was more the sound that fiona macdonald brought in, cause most of the bands under flying nun were/are guys...

I am such a complete doofus! I told all my listeners to watch out for the show, several times over the past couple of weeks, and then forgot to watch the damn thing myself - was way too engrossed in work. You guys make it sound like I missed something special - I don't suppose there's anyone who could spare the tape for a week or so, give a poor ol' fella a chance to see it? myshkin@ekno.com is the address.

As for Headless Chickens not fitting in - not quite sure I'd agree with that in NZ terms - they have a number of popular songs, one which made it to number one and they did get the inauguaral award of $x,000 to get them started. I guess they are a bit of an aberation, as they're not your classic sounding jangley guitar band, bringing in dance and other sounds in a way that few others have. Maybe I only think they fit in because they're one of my top bands ever - on my personal scale, they beat out the Chills quite along time ago in terms of greatest acts, not sure how I'd rate them in comparison with Straitjacket Fits and the 3D's - maybe all three are first equal in my books.

So - did they say what Andrew Brough's doing these days? Quite a while now since Bike, haven't heard of anything about him since then really.

The Chickens thing- not very nun because they were so instantly accessable! George was definitely the right song at the right time, huh- great chorus, really groovey and danceable, it had radio written all over it.

Hah, the Rheineck Award. But that was the odd thing - the HCs came from nowhere, did their own thing, NZ responded to it & they did really well despite all the predictions, & then stopped. But name me one band who tries to sound like the HCs compared to the absolute oodles of people saluting the more typical droney jangley FN stuff. They're great because they /are/ a wonderful aberration - I mean, for a #1 single, "George" is quite twisted/dark/scary; &, I mean, singles like "Gaskrankinstation" & "Do the Headless Chicken" & so on? Unique, hurrah. Chris Matthews is one of NZ's best songwriters, too.
(Actually, come to think of it - the HCs aren't really known outside of Aus/NZ at all compared to the more canonical FN stuff - all the post-college-radio US indie kids/bands cite Clean/Chills/Fits/3Ds & so on, but they wouldn't exactly, er, know anything about the HCs. Bodyfear anti-dance, ha; plus the fear of anything with a whiff of industrial about it).

No, no word about Brough, from memory - they had text at the end of the doco saying what the big names were doing these days, but not Brough.

Jesus is that it or is there a director's cut? is this a trailer for a series..if so it's about time i mean why get the iconic clean together on a couch and show them for a nano second? even helen put david kilgour on the honours list aren't there music lovers out there who could have done more than scratch the surface of what made flying nun tick felt a bit bloody sorry for chris knox and roger shepherd as they were being asked to carry a lot of the programme the net should have been spread wider yes it's great to see us bands influenced by flying nun but it's a definite crossfertilisation thing what the hell was that punk band paul kean and jane walker were in before toy love that did velvets and stooges stuff? what about the venues the gladstone and the windsor castle the reverb room the cook bar bodega and the last resort (what ever happened to the guy with his head in the speaker the night the gordons played?) the blue light discos the clean played at! flying nun took off on the back of live performances that were too fucking great not to be recorded loved seeing the 3Ds they have never got the telly they deserve i can put up with not-my-personal-favorites the headless chooks if they're in perspective with everything else but where are the legendary snapper? bats, superette, jps exp, hdu, hasselhoff exp it's a bit like the tragic nz punk exhibition at te papa it's a bloody token gesture and if anyone from nz on air needs to know yes i want more!!

//i mean why get the iconic clean together on a couch and show them for a nano second?//

yeah that was strangely infuriating, especially when compared to what seemed like 25 minutes listening to Martin Phillips' 'heart breaking' story of life in the Chills, delicate petal that he is....get over yourself matey. The whole thing had a morbid edge to it, it felt unbalanced, like some half finished doco in that arts programme 'Mercury Lane' that was on a while back. There was no sense of just how diverse and cool the music was on the label, even up until the late 90's.

In case no one knows a similiar doco was done about ten years ago.

Thanks for the nice comments....[I am the director of the doco]

Just to answer a few criticisms with a blindingly obvious answer....length of program was my greatest enemy. The program was 70 minutes long and it was VITAL that there was enough of the music in there....There was of course tons of bands I'd like to have put in the doco...JPSE, King Loser, HDU, Snapper, SPUD, Bats etc etc I'd also have liked to go to NY to interview Bailterspace....yeah right

To a certain extent the documentary had to be understandable to a person that had maybe only heard of the Chills, or seen Shayne Carter at a gig i.e it couldn't be just for experts. That is why all the 'major' bands were covered...

And there have been two documentaries on Flying Nun before, one was an hour of clips wth interviews with Chris Knox and Roger Shepherd, the other was a 23 minute one on TV3 or 4....

nice credits too. on ya reuben!

According to nzonair there is another NZ music doco in the making - a kind of Walk On By history called Give It A Whirl. would love to see soemthing that pillaged the archives of kiwi music programmes wonder how the current batch of presenters would stack up against dr rock, and karen hay etc its good to have squeeze, space and m2 playing nz music alongside the usual chart programmes i find the repetition between them pretty bloody annoying but enjoy the alt show bits and dips into the archive it'll be bloody annoying if given the current taste for kiwi the bloody bbc come over here and do the definitive programme on nzmusic there's enough kiwis in the bbc wanting a trip home for it to happen!

This was rerun on Sunday night. I missed it the first time but made sure I tuned in this time round. It was very good, but like everyone says a series of hour long shows would have been even better!

Seeing some of those clips was a real trip down memory lane ...dammit we need some way of watching all these old videos!

All in all though I thoroughly enjoyed it ... hopefully there's something new in the same vein coming along soon!