Hi my name is andrew. I am 18 years old. I had my last year at high school last year.
During my time at high school i saw bands like the feelers, tadpole and zed touring high schools.
All three of those bands went on to sell alot of shitty records did they not?
And now i see that there is a new wave of crappy bands touring the high schools steriogram and rubicon but they have put it out to the public that they are doing this for the kidds. That there is nothing sinister about these "rock bands" touring the high schools. But i think it is just a lame ploy to sell a fuck load of records.
what do you think? i want your thoughts!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I think your right about the ploy ...
I think your right about the ploy stuff, but I still think its a good thing. When I was at school, we got the occasional christian band who sung about how they liked being postmen with jesus.
(yay)...
(yay)
yes that is true. We got those ...
yes that is true. We got those christian rockers as well, but they were funny. these bands who were on this major label cock suck buy our record little kiddies i did not like.
sorry for being a cunt.
Yeah at my school we had the ...
Yeah at my school we had the 'christian' rock bands, but they were playing covers that weren't 'christian', but preached between their songs, which was boring & stupid.
We also had some local & rockquest bands play, also Polytech bands as well.
Plus we also had part of the Pink Floyd Experience play, but they played covers as well, but no Pink Floyd songs. But a couple of us got free tickets to see there show, it was good!!
Slim played a concert at my school ...
Slim played a concert at my school before when they weren't as well known and before their album came out 3 years ago. It rocked but i think high school tours aren't what bands that have left high school should do
in my opinion, i think school gigs are ...
in my opinion, i think school gigs are great for the not-so-well-known bands who are getting out there and doing promo...rockquest entrants for example...
but i think that 'bigger' bands doing it comes across as wrong. sure --> its wicked that they wanna get out there and perform, but only if they're really doing it for the students - like steriogram for example, they actually stuck around in the afternoons to hold music workshops - which is a whole lot better than a band coming in, setting up, playing a couple of songs then leaving. TOURING being the operative word though...
well when you consider the lack of ...
well when you consider the lack of under-age venues and that those band's audience includes and I'll go out on a limb and say is mainly made up of school kids then it is a good thing.
But if they didn't do those shows they ...
But if they didn't do those shows they would have no audience. haha Then they could get known for good things like having great songs. Which we all know they have none of.
// But if they didn't do those shows ...
// But if they didn't do those shows they would have no audience.
Nah, I bet you'll find the kids know about them already. Besides it isn't like someone is holding a gun to the children's heads to make them buy or like the bands, they actually get to form their own opinion rather than going by other's.
are you on glue, andoru? Where the hell ...
are you on glue, andoru? Where the hell else is a 4th former in ashburton going to see a live gig? Drop the copy of No Logo and visit the real world where lots of people enjoy music you don't like.
yea i'd have to agree with Foaf and ...
yea i'd have to agree with Foaf and Stefan on this one - its wicked being able to pay wot $1 to go see (sometimes) a semi-good band,
Andoru - you're very anti at the moment arent you....
Not planning on a lifetime membership ...
Not planning on a lifetime membership in the DMC are you Andoru?
There's still hope man!
whats the dmc?...
whats the dmc?
Disgruntled Musicians ...
Disgruntled Musicians Club.............there seems to be a few members on these boards as of late.
haha oh. Well maybe. I dont know i am ...
haha oh. Well maybe.
I dont know i am mildly infact very disgruntled at the moment.
I think its cool, When I was still* at ...
I think its cool, When I was still* at school (back in the days sonny) we only had 50c socials and people only went to those so they could wear Mufti for the day. I think its really good because alot of Kiwis still have this Anti-everything attitude as a result of the TallPoppieSyndrome I guess, but I think anything that gets Kiwi Music out there is good, hey even if they didnt like it, they can always just leave. The thing is at least they are getting the CHANCE to hear something they otherwise might not hear.
SoldierBoy's ...
SoldierBoy's Politically-BLOODY-Correct Award of the week goes to....
lydiabanal
Nice job.
What Steriogram are doing at the moment ...
What Steriogram are doing at the moment is good. I hear they're playing lunch shows at a range of schools within a town and also running music workshops with the kids. Then having a large all ages gig at the end of the week.
Can't be a bad thing in terms of yes, I suppose, getting kids to vote for the songs on the radio and buy records, but also give the kids something they can look forward to and perhaps learn from. Also, its damn good experience for a band to just tour around and play to an audience with little expectation.
i was in one of these workshops..... ...
i was in one of these workshops.....
we got a free concert by steriogram. i made up my own mind that i respect them because they come across so much better live than recorded.
the vocalist then gave us a free advice and songwriting session, which was fucking informative. he had some quite pro-commercial sentiments which i don't agree with myself, but when i discussed it with him he said that's what's worked for their band in their particular genre, and by no means should i take his personal opinion as a rule; i should follow my instincts. this is a very cool attitude.
then they offered to let us open for them at their gig that friday, even though this didn't happen due to lack of venues, it was a cool offer and we may be hooking back up with them when they come to nelson in september.
then they talked to us in depth at rockquest and gave us feedback on our performance.
all of this was great, and theres no way i'm gonna criticise them for being such a great help. sure, they get alot out of it - but welcome to the real world, almost everyone wants a return for their hard work. and when both parties benefit from the deal, i really don't see the problem...
yea - i totally agree with both jimi ...
yea - i totally agree with both jimi and martha (i think i agree with everyone in this thread except for Andoru lol) - even tho steriogram didnt come to my school i thought it was totally wicked of them...
i think what also helps is if you can relate to/with the band...having a band that comes to ure school who doesnt want to talk to the students whether it be about the music, or anything completly unrelated is just wrong. if your in a band, its not just about the music...its about everything that surround it and you....including fans, young and old. i know that is semi-off topic, but i fully believe that i wouldnt like half the bands i do now if they weren't nice people...
they dont have to like their fans (personally), all they have to do is tollerate them, and accept/appreciate them...otherwise your fucked.
okay, sorry - getting caught up...
Jimi did they come and visit you ...
Jimi did they come and visit you because you won your region? If yes. They got paid $1000 for that.
no. they did a pre-rockquest workshop ...
no. they did a pre-rockquest workshop at 4 different schools in the nelson region alone. i think they are being paid a very minimal amount by rockquest, and i know for a fact they are on the artist's dole (go helen hahaha)
Jimi any band who came to see you to ...
Jimi any band who came to see you to help you put on your concert got paid between $1000 to $2000 to do that. why do i know? We were asked to do some of them.
no wrong thing mate. PRE rockquest. ...
no wrong thing mate.
PRE rockquest. the band being paid a grand or two POST rockquest is motherguru.
So they got paid? So what? What's with ...
So they got paid? So what? What's with this attitude that unless your eating dogfood with a pick and blowing truckies for transport between gigs, your not keeping it real?
fucks sake we should be pleased that these bands are being paid to mentor young bands outside of the major centres. It's an excellent idea. Helps those bands carry on making their music and the young bands get inside knowledge from someone other then the jaded music teacher.
Andoru you guys won the rockquest didn't you. That grand could be coming your way next if you decide to share a little of your experience with some newbies. how is that bad?
for that money, they have to organise a ...
for that money, they have to organise a gig for that band, pay for PA, lighting, Sound engineer, Video camera operator, posters, tickets, play at the gig and also spend time with the bands beforehand working with there songs, talking about the industry blah, blah...when they come out of it, the band might be lucky to get $500 which is for their performance and all the time they spent organising etc....not that much really once you split it up between the members.
Andrew, you guys should have done it. I can just imagine your talks with the rockquest bands though...shit you'd freak them out for life. :)
the reason only cheese bands tour, is that usually only cheese bands have money to tour. I have been trying to get funding for several independent welly bands to do some school touring, and it's looking good, hopefully some good indie bands be playing at yo school soon.
We were offered 6 schools. We ...
We were offered 6 schools. We couldn't do them because of one member being a princess. haha
/only safe bands usually play at ...
/only safe bands usually play at schools, when was the last schools tour that HDU did?
I wouldn't exactly call Dr Kevorkian and the Sucide Machine a safe band, yet Jordan trotted her stuff round quite a few schools around here, talking about songwriting but also the electroinc creation of music/sounds.
6 schools!! that is a lot of little ...
6 schools!! that is a lot of little minds to warp, and to steal their rubicon singles and replace them with mogwai albums.
//lot of little minds to warp --> ...
//lot of little minds to warp
--> hmmm - time to take offence...*seriously*....can't say my mind has ever been 'warped' by a band playing at school.
and as for the little comment....welll....lets not get started on that one....
*grrrr*
ahhh i so love this place.
See i wanted to do it. But as i said ...
See i wanted to do it. But as i said before a band is a partnership and there is no i in band. But there also is no princess in band either! hahahaha good one.
the ace of spaades the ace of spades
// can't say my mind has ever been ...
// can't say my mind has ever been 'warped' by a band playing at school.
that is exactly the point jenni... only safe bands usually play at schools, when was the last schools tour that HDU did?
//when was the last schools tour that ...
//when was the last schools tour that HDU did? - thats something i'd like to see...
should be a new challenge - can just imagine my teachers rawking out to paseload at lunchtime...
anything that give us young 'uns a ...
anything that give us young 'uns a chance to realise that there is such thing as music not imported from the us, played for 3 weeks on a dodgy radio station & then added to compilations like NOW 675.3, which are sold in the warehouse bargain bin a week later for $12.95 has to have some benefit.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH U...
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH U
Yeah.. I'll third that...
Yeah.. I'll third that
it's not like you have to go along and ...
it's not like you have to go along and like the band and buy the record. though bands might traipse around high schools like ... streetwalkers ... the kids are free to like them or not and buy their album or not. the BEST thing of all is that it might inspire kids to get into bands themselves - they might be tribute bands for a while until they find their own thing/voices, and at least it's (potentially crap, potentially good) NZ MUSIC.
exposure is exposure, at least it's our own culture for a change. grrrr (feeling parochial).
[OT - I didn't know you were so young ...
[OT - I didn't know you were so young Andrew! Youse guys should tour high schools, being as that's where you formed/developed, that would be an eye opening for young musicians ... we miss you down here in Dunners. Your EP is incredible. I covet your Prunes and Custard (being a bassist myself]
Thank you. But auckland is where i need ...
Thank you. But auckland is where i need to be at this space and time. You should move up here it is a riot.
The ep could be better if we worked harder.
The whole shebang concerning bands ...
The whole shebang concerning bands visiting schools - its a scam, masterfully devised by the government in conjunction with record companies, to get the little kiddies to buy all those worthless CD's. Don't get me wrong, there is some top NZ music out there, but I smell a rat...
// I smell a rat... damnit I can't ...
// I smell a rat...
damnit I can't hear or read that phrase without the White Stripes song starting in my head, argh.
Oh right, along with the low levels of ...
Oh right, along with the low levels of LSD in the drinking fountains to aid brainwashing techniques employed by biology teachers and the addictive substance in KFC which kicks in every fortnight. kids are into music, kids buy music, kids buy what they're exposed to. What's wrong with exposing them to some NZ stuff instead of teaching them the latest moves to britney?
See solidierboy you know it! ...
See solidierboy you know it!
pup, whether it comes from South ...
pup, whether it comes from South Central or South Auckland (I wish!), New York or New Plymouth, Miami or Mangare - crap is crap, pure and simple. As for the britney thing, didn't Rangitoto College once host Christina Aguilerra? Fools!
Pup why expose them to lame NZ bands ...
Pup why expose them to lame NZ bands which sound like poor versions of overseas bands?
Yeah, make that "poor versions of ...
Yeah, make that "poor versions of ALREADY POOR overseas bands".
yeah totally...
yeah totally
The reason why I'm starting to lose ...
The reason why I'm starting to lose faith in the current state of NZ music is that there's too much politics involved. The local music scene is becoming corrupt and gradually more artificial and contrived. Oh well, I can still stick to Crowded House and the Clean, can't I?
Soldierboy. You take yourself and your ...
Soldierboy. You take yourself and your music far too seriously. If you seriously believe there is one true kind of good music then you are the one who has fallen victim to the scam.
The likes of you, Hollis, Andoru, etc who claim to have some kind of right to stamp their approval on what other people like piss me off. You're all so self-righteous and arrogant. And really fucking boring now because you never fucking shut up about how crap this is or how that shouldn't be popular. Do you have strong opinions about wine too?
It smacks of jealousy and insecurity. I mean, a scam? You're fucking nuts.
All you fuckers should have your precious CDs and (probably) vinyl confiscated, then forced to work in a factoryfor 6 months where it's your job to sweep up and get the morning and afternoon teas and all they play on the Radio is Solid Gold FM. We'll see if you don't come home humming "Sadie The Cleaning Lady" by Johnny Farnam becuase it's your new favourite song by the end of it.
I think we all need to mellow out on these boards. People like what people like. Get over it.
I think YOU need to calm down, man. ...
I think YOU need to calm down, man. Self righteousness? Jealousy? Puh-leez. What's wrong with disliking bad music, may I ask?