with all the turmoil in the world at present
now more than ever is the time to have a revolution of music,
after empires colapse (america im looking at you) all that is left is art/music (to me the same thing)
we all have the chance now as artists to pursue a common goal of "art with substance" if artists in new zealand switched on to what we really are, a country with the potential to "switch on the masses".
This can happen. Maybe not in our life time,
but theres no time like the present to start.
basicly if we stop looking at what every one else is doing in the world and trying to mimick what we see (this can start with turning off the tv and make a decision to CREATE Something postive)then we can realise that all humans are the same and art really is limitless,
"The human mind has the ability to evole into the unknown"
apologies for running in circles,
but this is important
heres some thoughts
"he who has a "why" to live for, can bear with almost any how"
this really is "heavy" stuff so dont forget to enjoy life as well
but really new zealand could one day be world leaders in a positive sense we dont have to be an empire just have really strong local art. and that may just be enough to start this.
and why?
1. beacause it will be fun! music is fun and a universal language
2. because we are on a very short road to destruction.
end of the day
think for your self
be aware
feel.
apologies for spelling errors i just hope this makes some one think.
p.s I AM NOT AN IDEALIST.
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1) whats wrong with being an ...
1) whats wrong with being an idealist?
2) there will never be a consolidated rebellion of culture in new zealand. because our culture is too fragmented/diverse and each group wants its OWN rebellion. plus, we have little brother syndrome - at least some of us will want to follow big bro and do what theyre doing.
on point 2... Maybe true internally, ...
on point 2...
Maybe true internally, but when we're up against an outside influence or another country we come together pretty damn strong. If its us against them (without being arrogant or rubbing their noses in it) we'll be fine.
As soon as we believe in ourselves, get some confidence, have a few wins under our belt AND SUPPORT EACH OTHER!!!!!!! we will be world beaters no doubting it!!
Its our turn to step up to the plate and take a swing, give it heaps 'cos if you connect.... its going out of the stadium.
Why does it have to be up to a whole ...
Why does it have to be up to a whole country?
The way I see it the more diverse the music, the better and that includes all the souless dredge.
Music reflects society. In society at the moment commercialism is all the rage. There is the fringe, as there always is. I don't think it is the music makers you have to influence but the music listeners and I don't think anyone can do that. It is something that just happens due to the right factors coming together at the right time.
// I don't think it is the music ...
// I don't think it is the music makers you have to influence but the music listeners
I'm not sure if you are right..........there is an interface between makers and listener and that is the music provider....record companies, radio ,TV, net radio, even the print media..........and so on.
These are the people would need to be influenced, word of mouth works but is often not enough, we can not be "educated listeners" if we can not hear the music.
Think about the last five albums you bought, what was it that made you want to buy them, was it a well designed album cover, and you asked the shop keeper to spin it for you, or had you already heard the music and thought mmm must get me some more of that?
Examine why you went to the last five gigs that you went to in the same way, why did you go, flashy poster, cute name, and you thought ok I've got $X to waste I'll give it a go I have nothing to lose.
I have visions of the poor punky Goth girl on the lotto add listening to Kalmal and the pain and disgust on her face as she pulls the head phones away from her ears, and think how many bad experiments one person could have before they just gave up on music altogether
ahh yes but you can't tell all of the ...
ahh yes but you can't tell all of the people what music they should like, they will like what they like.
The provider especially now is influenced by the music listener. Marketing these days is more responsive to consumer's wants than trying to tell them what they want.
its possibly a bit of both?...
its possibly a bit of both?
sure there is influence both ways to a ...
sure there is influence both ways to a degree but I think the majority is from the music listener.
By the music listener I'm meaning the masses or in the case of a provider, their target market.
but media / the world around us also ...
but media / the world around us also influences everything we like and dislike. if i was born and raised in white box, what type of music would i enjoy (if any at all)?
I reckon ... put it out there, make it ...
I reckon ... put it out there, make it easy to access (not to be confused with easily accessable), but don't force it.
Its about clever marketing and promotion, if we're goining along the indie path then we have to think of clever "guerilla style" tactics to compete with the big lables.
But what it comes down to really to at the end of the day is.... that good music sells no matter what, its just that big labels have set a standard of what "good" music is..... and frankly they're mostly not in it for the music.
// but media / the world around us also ...
// but media / the world around us also influences everything we like and dislike.
to a degree yes but ultimately it is your choice whether you actually like the music or not. Or even what type of person you are, are you an early adopter? easily influenced by others? an opinion leader?
There are more things that make you who you are than just the media, your culture, your parents, your friends etc.
i agree.... but thats a debatable ...
i agree.... but thats a debatable opinion.
... but then, what opinions arent? :)...
... but then, what opinions arent? :)
topical massiveness guys... glad to ...
topical massiveness guys...
glad to see no-ones afraid to pipe up some resonable faq's, 'diplomacy in tha house.
indeed. oh yeah it is also a somewhat ...
indeed.
oh yeah it is also a somewhat unformed opinion, chances are it will change over time.
and opinions should change, ...
and opinions should change, evolve...........
and I'm sorry stepan but if music providers were listener influenced, we would be hearing New Zealand music all the time, not just this month, if the radio programmers were listener lead we wouldn't have 97000 different topics on this site about how much radio suxs.........if things where listener lead I wouldn't have to log on to bbc1 via internet to hear the datuns.
you have the privilege of living in a large city, where you get opportunities to see hear..........we sorry sad provincial people can only rely on various forms of media, to bring us the sounds...............
maybe we need to get organized like the pop bands who email fans with web links for the fm stations vote this song for the top 20 tonight..... a bit like 999natas999 // clever "guerilla style" tactics
// and I'm sorry stepan but if music ...
// and I'm sorry stepan but if music providers were listener influenced, we would be hearing New Zealand music all the time, not just this month
But that is based on your taste, as I said it is their target market that is taken into account. There are complaints because we don't fit the target market profile. Well that or the profile needs reconsidering and if that isn't done fewer people listen, money is lost.
// There are complaints because we ...
// There are complaints because we don't fit the target market profile.
that is very true. also, i would hate to only hear nz music on the radio... then we would be limiting ourselves yet again. kinda like, only listening to one genre, or one artist. why would anyone choose to do that when there is a world full of music to sample?
i think more radio stations with different target audiences would be the way to go. i remember before we had M2 on tv, there was only the commercial pop crap like RTR, video hits, and most wanted. people who liked music outside of that target market, were shit out of luck. thank god for M2! pity its on so late and i never get to watch it....
we could if we aren't careful spin off ...
we could if we aren't careful spin off into one of those chicken and egg discussions.......are you seeing the same colour as I am when we both look at green..........and no I would not like to hear only NZ music played on the radio..but seeing what the topic is called......
Oh and don't get me started on M2 i was told by the presenter last night that I was too old to appreciate Tool........idiot
we live in a world of generalisations, ...
we live in a world of generalisations, the human mind is designed or maybe taught that way, it sucks.
// Oh and don't get me started on M2 i ...
// Oh and don't get me started on M2 i was told by the presenter last night that I was too old to appreciate Tool........idiot
at least they play tool and not britney spears. its a step up from RTR... you must admit.
out of curiousity, how old are you anyway? i'll tell you my age, you tell me yours ;)
He'll never come out of the closet on ...
He'll never come out of the closet on that one prozaco - I've already tried! I'll tell too... who's gonna go first.
i'll go first. maybe if we give our ...
i'll go first. maybe if we give our ages, Aka will feel inspired to give his (yeah right). :P i'm 19.
26. I'm guessing from a previous ...
26. I'm guessing from a previous thread - Aka is around 28. (he told me his was "probably a wee bit older" than me)
i think hes 84!! (maybe he'll give ...
i think hes 84!!
(maybe he'll give his real age now in defence)
Here's a comment from someone who was ...
Here's a comment from someone who was recently outside the nz music bubble. I was living in Canada until a half year ago, and pretty much did not listen to radio at all. It would either play too much boy band, or brittany. I mean we're suppopsed to be exposed to the best of everything from all over, and it all sounded the same whether it was from the UK, Canada or the US. Radio trys to appeal to a broad market and therefore pretty much sucks. So I retreated to internet streams (Soma FM, could be killed in a few weeks!), and my own CD collection, built from stuff I heard on the streams. Coming to NZ, blew my mind musically. Easy access to live kick-ass music for dirt cheap. ya baby! I'm so happy I have so many years to backtrack and enjoy. whether old stuff or recent stuff. It's all brand new to me. Anyway in summation, don't rely on radio commercial radio to play non-commercial stuff. And NZ does have a lot to offer the world musically, it just may be hard to get heard through current media, so keep on supporting the alternatives. I mean I was trying hard to find new stuff and I had to move here before I heard any of the music I'm listening to now.
You know what I'd find interesting, ...
You know what I'd find interesting, squared, is to hear from you (as someone coming fresh into the NZ music scene) is what you're listening to, what you think we have to offer the world - I think heaps - but I am curious as to which bands/sounds have caught your fancy.
in no particular order, stuff that has ...
in no particular order, stuff that has caught my fancy: goosdshirt, cassette, marystaple, looma, black seeds, salmonella dub, che fu, stereo bus, shihad, hlah, bailterspace, straightjacket fits, mestar, muttonbirds, strawpeople, the clean, lucid 3, betchadupa, jacob.... there are more, and will continue to be more I'm sure. I have slighly varied tastes. Am open to suggestions as well. :)
you moved here because of music.... ...
you moved here because of music.... obviously that not what you meant. THing is alot of people seem to measure on commercial success - thus if NZ music is getting more radio play it must be 'better' than before. To judge it on anything else is to be labeled a bigot. That's why the indie thing will sadly never take off here (or anywhere) again because the way alot of people consume music has changed. Or am I just another bigot.....probably.
you moved here because of music.... ...
you moved here because of music.... obviously that not what you meant. THing is alot of people seem to measure on commercial success - thus if NZ music is getting more radio play it must be 'better' than before. To judge it on anything else is to be labeled a bigot. That's why the indie thing will sadly never take off here (or anywhere) again because the way alot of people consume music has changed ever since flanel went out of fashion.
flanel went out of fashion?!...
flanel went out of fashion?!
not for me though (sorry about ...
not for me though
(sorry about double post)
TOOL: they are music in its most ...
TOOL:
they are music in its most purists form
art for art sake you might say,
when it comes to (un-informed) critics and nay sayers i can see they miss the point, m2 etc
ART IS LIMITLESS.
think about it.
come to a conclusion
react
gain clarity.
and when i talk of revolution
im talking unversal truth
it exsists in our potential
there fore its valid.
g. of 'orkid
// art with substance where is the ...
// art with substance
where is the substance? give me some please.
*hands stefan some art with substance, ...
*hands stefan some art with substance, generously spread on toast*
ahh it is spreadable these days. or is ...
ahh it is spreadable these days.
or is that, it is what you want it to be, open up your mind, you can so it is possible.
Art is boring. ...
Art is boring.
toast is boring....
toast is boring.
this is becoming very philosophical :->...
this is becoming very philosophical :->
toast doesn't have to be boring. I ...
toast doesn't have to be boring. I call for a revolution of toast.
It is the toaster that is the problem, it is the main influence on what the toast will be.
But the toaster also depends on the person that bought it, the toast maker.
they say the internet on toasters, i want the internet on my toast. I want to eat my favourite websites.
i guess how boring your toast is ...
i guess how boring your toast is depends on what you put on it. i don't think i would eat my favourite websites.... but i could name a few people i would like to butter up and spread on my toast. :D
... stefan, i've never seen a toaster ...
... stefan, i've never seen a toaster that is not boring....
just don't stick a fork in it, if a ...
just don't stick a fork in it, if a piece of music gets caught. And I hate it when my music is burnt on one side. Rememeber 'burn and get burnt'.
I don't generally talk to toasters, I ...
I don't generally talk to toasters, I like to save my conversation for my cup of tea.
I had to live without a toaster for 6 ...
I had to live without a toaster for 6 months..... had to do it one side at a time with the stove griller....
it was a bit like that japanese tea ceremony, it became an art form with intense concentration otherwise you had a kitchen full of smoke.
1. 9 grain makes good toast, interactive, healthy and tasty (the ingredients)
2. Make sure its 'toast' slice otherwise it dries out (the right materials)
3. Toast it for the right amount of time, enough to tan the outsides suits me (the production)
4. Choose your toppings well and apply while hot, I like butter so it melts as you spread it, then apply the right amount of Marmite [tm] (the the post production)
5. eat. (consume)
ok enough.... back on topic...
ok enough.... back on topic
haha, sounds like you really mastered ...
haha, sounds like you really mastered the artform.
i love how the topic is "new zealand can lead the world" and its morphed itself into a conversation about toast :)
thoughts manifest and evolve even into ...
thoughts manifest and evolve
even into toast.
999 has a good point,
any one here heard of 'orkid
Yes, i have heard of you guys....
Yes, i have heard of you guys.
OK, in resistance to the Toast ...
OK, in resistance to the Toast conversation and as my first post on nzmusic.com...
NZ is already among the leading countries in terms of quality artistic output... it is just that the world doesn't know yet... and maybe doesn't care. Our progressive noise rock and ambient specifically is some of the best in the world.
And how the hell do I change my username? In a flash of misguided inspiration I named myself after a resevoir dogs character without thinking that my actual name is a reservoir dogs character.