That's right, I said it - who out there honestly believes the locals of the last 2-3 years or so even come close to bands such as the Straitjacket Fits, Bailterspace, Shihad (Pacifier?), 3Ds, Able Tazmans (Crowded House, Dave Dobyn depending on your taste) that basically created our individual music identity.
Maybe I'm just hearing all the commercial goop but even the indeps. aren't putting out anything worth bothering with and ,bar some electronica from Kog, havn't for ages (and I especially mean YOU Flying Nun Records). There seemed to be a period in the mid to late 90's when it was all coming together, a small revival, but then it all fell away...
It's just that Good Shirt, Betchadupoaer whatever, King Kapisi not to mention the Feelers and Stellar$ all sound so bloody amatauer and deperate and derivative, like something straight out the smokefree rockquest - it's embarissing.
Who am I to critisize? fair point but who out there who really likes NEW ZEALAND music enjoys this youth marketed bullshit - it's just a joke.
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//It's just that Good Shirt, ...
//It's just that Good Shirt, Betchadupoaer whatever, King Kapisi not to mention the Feelers and Stellar$ all sound so bloody amatauer and deperate and derivative
so goodshirt is derivative? desperate? amateur? they have done a bloody fantastic job considering good was recorded in a garden shed with no record company backing them. all power to them.
trinity roots?
the black seeds?
deceptikonz?
pluto?
cassette?
p-money?
rhian sheehan?
anika moa?
4 corners?
lucid3?
pitchblack?
and these are only the acts i like. i think maybe you should turn your dial to something other than ZM, Z and the edge.
Yeah.. If you want good music, ...
Yeah.. If you want good music, sometimes you've gotta go find it, not just sit & listen to pop music radio stations.
yeah amen vietnow. //deperate and ...
yeah amen vietnow.
//deperate and derivative, like something straight out the smokefree rockquest - it's embarissing.
fuck off. go to all the rockquests and see all the bands, then you can make stupid generalisations. what about carriage h? won it last year, they arent exactly mainstream.
to true.......there are loads of GREAT ...
to true.......there are loads of GREAT bands/soloist out there....and you do have to look for them.....if you only listen to mainstream radio or only look for cds in your cs store/planet jack shops ...you not goin to find the cream of the crop.....i hate to say it and it sounds a bit cheesy .....but alot of the good music is within the 'alternative' groups ....as said bands by veiwnow.......and they have done a great job and work bloody hard to get where they are today!
ive just started recording and its alot harder that i thought....it aint easy.............at least they are doing what they love..........you try it......
and the youth/pop star thing is out there......thats the market loads of record comapanys are going for.......hense popstars....and such bull.......
[that feels better!]
//i think maybe you should turn your ...
//i think maybe you should turn your dial to something other than ZM, Z and the edge.
kick arse comment bro'.
cool muzik too.
nice list vietnow...
nice list vietnow
// even the indeps. aren't putting out ...
// even the indeps. aren't putting out anything worth bothering with and ,bar some electronica from Kog, havn't for ages
Have you heard Looma?
I think NZ music is moving very fast ...
I think NZ music is moving very fast and its at an all time high, and getting better thanks to the govournment investing $$$$ into local music. Now bands can record their own songs at an international level which they couldnt do before.... thus producing the evolution of Kiwi music.
Granted there is some crap out there, and always will be. Also you are talking about a totaly different era in the NZ music scene. Its like an old hippy moaning "Bring back Jimmy Hendrix". He's dead, lets just move on aye?
It does come down to personal tast... I agree... but maybe you need to pull your head out of the tall poppies ass!!!
I disagree with the Feelers being ...
I disagree with the Feelers being amatuers. I mean they worked their asses off to get where they are by winning the Battle of the Bands one year.
There are alot of good bands at rockquests, too bad most of them break up after its over. What's goin on with 1qa a? And Son of Spank?
Yeah Carriage H aren't mainstream, i respect what they do now after i saw their dedication to music even after the rockquest. I mean they fully embraced their success.
// goin on with 1qa a? Did they ...
// goin on with 1qa a?
Did they break up recently!?! They played a gig towards the end of March, beginning of April.
1qa as i am aware are going strong. ...
1qa as i am aware are going strong.
funny, i ran unto the 1qa and the son of spank boys at the wellington rockquest heats the other day while i was watching the ladybugs. 1QA are still kicking ass, just looking for more gigs to play, A couple of them have a really interesting side project going with a talented drummer bitch from onslow coll.
Son of spank, are as i heard a rumour playing around again, and looking for a drummer. They were there to watch grahams brothers band, who unfortunately didn't make it through, but the Ladybugs did. yay.
And also the reason why some of these ...
And also the reason why some of these new bands might "suck" is some of them actually try to copy Crowded House, Split Enz and Shihad. Not just by music but also their image and gimmicks. For example that guy out of Steriogram who jumps over speaker stacks cause Jon Toogood does it.
//For example that guy out of ...
//For example that guy out of Steriogram who jumps over speaker stacks cause Jon Toogood does it.
how do you know this? have you asked him and he said "yes i do it coz jon does it"?.some artists do things the same as other artists but not all of them are purposely copied. even if he was doing it coz jon did it, he probably just wanted to see why jon did it and found out it was fun and continued on doing it.
name the bands that you reckon are copying crowded house,split enz and shihad.
I didn't have to ask him I saw him do ...
I didn't have to ask him I saw him do it. Obviously he must like Shihad alot too. yeah maybe it is fun but Steriogram just don't have enough talent to back up their gimmicks. I know it's not Tyson's fault he is just as skinny as Jon but it doesn't mean he has to carbon copy every move his beloved idol does. If Steriogram worked a little more on their music then I wouldn't mind Tyson pulling off the occasional speaker stack dive once in a while.
ha ha... Thats kind of like ...
ha ha... Thats kind of like saying..."Shihad use Gibson guitars and so does AC/DC... COPYCATS!"
Do you think Jon Toogood invented jumping onto speaker stacks???? Bands have been doing that stuff for years.
This is a stupid argument... I'll leave it at that.
yes it is, i should have not brought it ...
yes it is, i should have not brought it up. I don't even like steriogram but it's not like they are going to get out of my face. oh well.
Hey, just read Rdors comments all ...
Hey, just read Rdors comments all posted tonight..he/she has something stuck his/her arse, I wouldn't bother rising to the bait.
Who the fuck is he/her anyway? relax people, no cause for alarm...
i guess so ...lets all take a ...
i guess so ...lets all take a breather......in....out.....
by the way rdor.......you from nz?
Rdors fuck off basically. You have ...
Rdors fuck off basically. You have offended everyone on this website with your negative & progressively stupid comments. I for one back NZ music;
pitchblack
shapeshifter
jakob
shihad
fat freddys drop
cloud boy
trinity roots
deceptikonz
p-money
sola rosa
black seeds
salmonella dub
these are just a few of the tasty treats that NZ has to offer.
And also for your information a lot of talent is displayed at the rockquest. I bet your ass that you couldnt do better yourself.
I also just checked out your other ...
I also just checked out your other comments - your negative as fuck about NZ music why dont you rack off?
Er .. excuse me for being negative, ...
Er .. excuse me for being negative, it's just that I've nver thought of music as a hobby or an academic thing. It's about individual expression, something alot of the newer bands are too afraid or embarissed to do. Sure there's good stuff out there such as Sola Rosa, Aspen, The Aesthetics, Dimmer, Damien Binder, Cloudboy not to mention the Arc label comps. etc. but it's just so thin on the ground, piecemeal and one-off sounding - they're the exceptions. Like most modern music I guess bands such as
Jakop, Black seeds, Pitchblack just seem to be plundering contrived styles of music from the past or creating music that is cool but emotionally distant - they're just so damn self consciouse. I love NZ music for what it used to be and what it could be - the way it used to grab you by the balls (sorry), the way it used to make me think that there was nothing else like this on the planet, completely new and original - it stood out, and said something about NZ. We can have that again if only we culd get rid rid of the false industry hype and get back to what it used to be about - good songs.
EMBARRASSED not embarrissed. ...
EMBARRASSED
not embarrissed.
sorry, you've just done it twice now, and its annoying.
it's all a matter of opinion, and i ...
it's all a matter of opinion, and i respect yours rdor, but you're kinda presenting it like fact. you do state that music is about individual expression - well, just cos one band sounds like another doesn't mean that originality is linked to expression. some members of an audience will not connect with an artist - it's no ones fault. an example is your comments on Jakob - to me they are very NZ and all i can think about when listening to them is the rolling foothills and Southern Alps around me when i was growning up - something the band themselves probably don't intend to communicate (being Hawkes Bay-ers) and something you didn't get yourself. no-one's fault. no-one's plundering. not necessarily emotionally distant.
i was lucky enough to go to uni during the early 90s and so saw all the class acts you mention as classic, and i appreciate your point, but it's all subjective. i'm glad that NZ music has its critics and its defenders - it's strong enough to stand up to subjective criticism ...
[pssst Prozaco, "it is" = "it's" not ...
[pssst Prozaco, "it is" = "it's" not "its"]
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oops, hehe, notice my use of bad ...
oops, hehe, notice my use of bad grammar and lack of capital letters. lol!
NZ is a different country to what it ...
NZ is a different country to what it was way back when.... the music being produced today reflects the environment its made in.
OK its more culturally diverse, and influenced by Big oversaes countries, but it doesn't make it any less relevant...
If you want to live in the past then its up to you, but you might be forgetting all of the really crap bands that were around when the "classics" were produced
music is about individual expression? ...
music is about individual expression? some of it, yes. all of it? not necessarily.
I think people, including myself get incredibly selfish when it comes to music, we all want our way and no other. In a way it becomes like racism, putting down one form of music because it is different to your favourite type of music. Everything has its bad side and a good side and a neh side. If you want to focus on one and be narrow-minded that is your choice but I disagree.
Jakob are soooo innovative, I dont ...
Jakob are soooo innovative, I dont think that they have copied past styles at all. They are not self conscious at all...obviously one would think that you are not entirely aware of their sound & the everything that they portray. Yeah sure the old school shit was good, but things are growing, developing either from what we had or something new all together. Pitchblack are also not emotionally distant...have you been to a gig of theirs? Its fukking electronica, you kind of get what you want out of it. It is not like they can express things through words.
I also am not really understanding what you mean about the false industry hype, as to where? Maybe K'Lee & some other commercialised tripe, but I am yet to see this displayed anwhere else but around the pop saga.
Just for the records I am loving Nz's sound at the moment, it makes me really proud.
//We can have that again if only we ...
//We can have that again if only we culd get rid rid of the false industry hype and get back to what it used to be about - good songs. //
Cool do it. A good song is a good song is a good song. You can post your opinions on this site - or you can switch off your computer and try to do better. We all want the best possible product.
Its so tiring listening to tyrades of egocentric purists who whinge about how shit everyone else is doing.
I often think about my Grandad who thinks everything since Strauss and Beethoven is budgie-pop crap.....
Maybe you should start your own ...
Maybe you should start your own band..... I'm sure you could a better job than aaaaaaaall the crap fake NZ bands aye!!!???????
now I'm EMBARRASSED...
now I'm EMBARRASSED
yeah but at least you spelt it right....
yeah but at least you spelt it right.
<sarcasm> (i have to do that now, ...
(i have to do that now, since people can't tell when i'm being sarcastic otherwise :P)
good girl...
good girl
thanks samflux, can i have a gold star ...
thanks samflux,
can i have a gold star please?
yes you may.. no black marks today, ...
yes you may..
no black marks today,
Fuck rdor - you must be a real bland, ...
Fuck rdor - you must be a real bland, boring old cunt. Most of the bands you mentioned I am personally fully into and influenced by. But music always changes to suit eras and movements - otherwise it wouldn't be (or remembered as being) cool. This is good, and diverse!!!
How fucking boring would it be if all the NZ bands coming out in the last 15 years all sounded the same??? Problem is that - unlike yourself obviously - most musicians and punters are into a bit of dynamic.
I guess on an international level - Nirvana / Oasis etc... must be shit and embarrassing because the Beatles were 'better' 30 years beforehand???
Oh no!!! - The Beatles 'basically created' the British 'individual identity' - everything else afterwards is shit and the yanks (eg Nirvana) stole it and made it even worse????????
Boring and embarrassing rdor!!!
nirvana werent from britain....
nirvana werent from britain.
Fuck - I knew some gimp was going to ...
Fuck - I knew some gimp was going to say that.
Check this line: // the yanks (eg Nirvana) stole it // ???
GIMP? dont call me a fuckin gimp, what ...
GIMP? dont call me a fuckin gimp, what the fuck is that suppose to mean?? i cant help it if i dont understand things that easily.
gimp......pffffffffffffft
do sound like a bit of an old fart I ...
do sound like a bit of an old fart I guess, actually I'm only 23 and began getting into flyng nun stuff from about '96 onwards. At that time there was some fairly good new stuff such as HDU, Garageland, Bike, Loves Ugly Children and the like coming out out aswell, things were looking great. It's just that in the last year or so it's all gone down the shithole. It's not that I think every new band should have the 'Duniden' sound, just rather a similiar original song writing ethic, thats what tied the 'class acts' together not one homogenous sound. This way it doesn't matter what genre the music from - if it's good it's good and if it's fake beer sponsored extreme sports shit it's easy to tell.
Dude - it's all just variated type of ...
Dude - it's all just variated type of pop music. Andrew Brough is a master at writing pop tunes.
But, some might say the same about James Reid, or Gareth from Goodshirt - with songs like Sophie.
*phew* 1qa and Son of Spank still ...
*phew* 1qa and Son of Spank still exist! yay! Son of Spank didn't have a drummer in their last year of r/q they got a drum machine to take on an industrial sound. i thought 1qa would have split up because of what Jono the guitar player said bout the band doing tertiary education elsewhere
that was just the bassist.... the rest ...
that was just the bassist.... the rest of them are still together and i think the vocalist is playing bass.
yeah he is....
yeah he is.
// they got a drum machine to take on ...
// they got a drum machine to take on an industrial sound
i think the main reason was that their bassist left because she finished school and the drummer decided to play bass. Drum machines are good and all, but i am sure they would rather have a drummer, I remmeber one funny incident when i saw them play a gig at bodega, after their set everyone was calling for an encore, but they couldn't because they had no more songs programmed in their machine.
yeah one of their sisters went to tech ...
yeah one of their sisters went to tech and stuff. I meant to say was that the drum machine called 'timmy' apparently gave them a Nine Inch Nails kinda feel to their sound. Organic talent is uncomparable as drum machines are unreliable as you have to program them and trying to get it to jam along with you makes the same programmed built in simple beats
I don't think it would be a good idea ...
I don't think it would be a good idea for Phil from 1qa to play bass since it takes co-ordination and takes alot of practice
that's what i thought, but hes not to ...
that's what i thought, but hes not to fucking shabby, comes from going to all those datsuns shows and watching the great dolf de datsun. he was pretty sketchy for their first couple of shows, but i reckon it's all good now, their influence by going to alot more wgtn live shows is defintaely apparent, as they are getting alot less metal and more rock.
Whatta adding your xtraz kinda dude...I ...
Whatta adding your xtraz kinda dude...I mean fair enough you may not like New Zealand music...but don't knock it till you try it...how can you sit there and say that people like King Kapisi, Betchadupa, and Good Shirt etc are amateur and desperate?! have you contributed to the New Zealand music industry lately?? I mean I'm not really a big fan of Betchadupa 'cause that's not my kinda music, but I'm really proud of them cause their doing what they want to do and their succeding...I guess it comes down to what kind of music your into, but what gets me is why complain when you can just turn the radio off?!?!