its people like YOU chopper who need to get an imagination.
first of all, this is a forum, where people are ALLOWED and ENCOURAGED to have their own opinions. just because someones is different to yours it doesn't make them simple minded.
i did make a point that savant were a creed rip off band. i didn't mean that i didn't like them. i just simply pointed out that you said that they were a great original New Zealand band. i would not call them an example of NZ music, simply because they are playing a similar style to Creed, Nickelback, and whatever other bands are around at the moment like that. this is a very American style, and like it or not, savant are playing their version of standard, middle of the road, US-style rock.
my suggestion to YOU chopper is to not read into things too much and stop taking them so personally.
you sound like you ARE a member of savant you know so much about them.
why don't you offer an opinion that at least sounds well-thought-out or educated at some point in time?
hello again. Well i agree with chopper's sentiment. I think he/she is not saying that people aren't allowed to express their opinion - just that some people are not doing that by putting STUPID dumb comments that don't have any real value. If people did express their opions constructively it would be way more enjoyable read.
No one is taking it personally martha. It's a valid point. Why don't you stop attacking people?
STupid coments: If whinging & negativity were an Olympic sport NZ would win Gold, Silver and bronze.
Savant are probably NZ's answer to Creed. Am I mistaken?
Blindspott are probably NZ's answer to RATM or another credible nu-metal band.
Hayley Westenra is probably NZ's answer to Charlotte Church.
This does not mean I don't like them or think that they are not worthy of in fact being NZ musicians or whatever it is that people are interpretting them as.
I agree with you nibbles in the fact that my comment in the Savant forum had little value, but I was merely reacting to chopper's comment that Savant were a great example of NZ music (and I paraphrase that). I am sorry I made that remark.
I am not a completely negative person. Nor do I whinge that much. In fact, I believe more than 60% of the time, I am saying GOOD things in these pages, and most of the time I talk about bullshit in the bar anyway, which is generally all tongue in cheek anyway.
Why is it that people in these forums feel the need to single people like myself, hollis and fuck I can't think of the others atm, out, when most of the time my opinions are backed up by some actual insightful comments. I apologise for the times they are not.
hmm yes i've been waiting to let loose on this one stefan.
when i saw the first blindspott song on juice, i loved it, but thought it was american, without doubt. i couldnt even find the website for ages because i didn't even consider putting .co.nz at the tail end.
when i found out they were nz'ers, imagine my joy - something this good to call my own! i guess i just looked past the fact that they reminded me of an american band.
theres a fundamental difference though, i think, between the cases of blindspott and savant. while i thought blindspott were american because of their slick production and classily-low-budget vid, i laughed at savant because their power rock stylings are plainly kiwi but so closely ape the american take on the genre. the backing vocals actually had me laughing out loud in front of the tv, which never happens! and the lead singer has the southern fella trailer trash vocal style going on. i hoped my view on them would change but after hearing the second single, im getting stuck in my view that they are a band thats going to suffer because of their close association of styles with (arguably) the biggest band on the planet.
i want to hear this new single of blindspott's now - is there a best metal single release award at the tuis? something tells me no. whats it like style-wise stefan?
You make a great point about the differences between Blindspott and Savant.
I'm not sure how I'd describe So Us Is This so I'll leave it to Stefan, you asked him anyway.
I quite like Blindspott's videos... theres something so simple about them that makes them great.
As for a Best Metal act at the Tuis... something that should be considered.. or at least something that looks at the harder side of NZ Music. I'm talking punk/metal/hardcore that's probably not as commercial or radio friendly as some other genres but people are still achieving and it needs to be recognised. After all, most other genres are covered, including Hip Hop, Electronica, Childrens Music, Te Reo and even country.
Look at Sommerset, Blindspott, and even bands like Promise of Bloodshed, Day One, Kitsch, Brubeck and maybe even 8 Foot Sativa. All very good at what they do, but no awards for these guys.
On second thoughts, punk/metal/hardcore bands would probably not give a shit anyway.
hmm, jimi I'm going from one listen here so I'm not entirely accurate. From memory it has quite a lot of hip hop stuff going on and the usual "nu metal" stuff. I found it grooving. I turned the radio on and it was number 2 on the top 9 or whatever on Z, so I might listen out again and give you a better opinion.
im sorry if i insulted you martha but i have followed savants carrer and theres a lot of bands that people dont look in took enought to have a valid opinion. i mean if you see savant live you would realise what i mean.they only realise commercial singles to get on the radio like alot of smart bands.ive talked to savant and they realise there singles sound like usa rock i think there just looking at the big picture.and seeing such abrupt comments is discourageing.
I have in fact seen Savant live several times and think they are good at what they do. Its not a style I particularly like but I have always said that I support NZ music, no matter if I like it or not, and I am pleased to see bands like Savant gain success, whether it be minor or major.
I am sick of people branding me negative when if you look at most of my comments since I started posting, they offer either a positive or a well-informed, subjective point of view.
ya see nz is a hard place 4 any band to get a name all nz cares about is fucking rugby i think all nz bands deserve a big pat on the back 4 hanging in ther.
i for one enjoy seeing people bitch on this site, but only when it is done intellegently, i get sick of "blah, blah, rubicon suck, blah, blah, blindspott are american crap, blah, blah" I like to see bitching but when it's funny or for a reason. humour is all good.
// deserve a big pat on the back 4 hanging in ther.
I've only seen the Savant video clip and I'm sorry you'd have to be blind and deaf not to draw comparisions to Creed. First vid, slick and full of posing, trying to look hard. Music plain rock.
I'm not trying to pick a fight, that is just how I see it. Maybe their future releases will prove this inaccurate, maybe not.
Creed? They're not dickheads, they are just Americanlike. I would say they are closer to Days of The New, or somethign a bit heavier than Creed, but still very american.
Blindspott are a product of america as well - the 5 piece DJ band. They are not entirely bad, but still, they should not really be called NZ music.
//Blindspott are a product of america as well...
You could say that about every freakin musical act in new zealand, because either america or britian would have done it first.....the only true new zealand performance would be the haka - and even the spice girls tried to rip that off.......
So by saying that Blindspott shouldn't really be called "New Zealand" music - ingoring the fact its written, recorded, sung, played and performed by new zealnd guys - why not go nuts and say the every single peice of music that has ever come out of new zealand, is a rip off of america?
music is art. art is imitation.
being original should be a priority but im sick of all this "theyre just rip-offs of" and "are so (insert foreign nationality here)" shit. The reason we all think Blindspott/Savant/etc. are so 'american' is because ther is not a large scene of that kind of music in NZ, they are, in fact, 'pioneers' for the genre in our country, and both (depending on your particular tatses) are pretty fuckin good at what they seem to be trying to achieve. Refering to Savant as posers, sure, I thought along the same lines when I first saw their vid but maybe theyre trying to make a really awesome video on a less the awesome budget, as Blindspott have done so well, but Savant may not have pulled it off tas well as they might have.
Dont squash them of their fans because they sound as if they have strong influences. Do you disrespect Remy Zero because theyre american but sound so British? If so, get off your fuckin high horse and get a grip. If someone in NZ sounded like Crowded House etc, would you say THEY were a rip off? I think not, only because they arent "nu metal", which many NZ music fans seem to be against - probably because theyre just arent many NZ metal/alt. bands here. Those who say the above (negative) things would most probably say the same spiteful, elitist comments about Pluto if they genre they 'fit' into was as young in out music industry.
Keep your nasty/negative comments for the 'artists' who dont write theyre own material, are almost fully funded, and are in the industry for personal gain in the form of fame/money, not because they are passionate about there music...the love of music is what drives most indie/alt/metal/punk bands here AND around the world, cause there sure as fuck aint enough money for all of those who deserve it.
//I just said they reminded me of Creed, YOU applied the negative connotation.
I wasnt pointing this at anyone in particular, just the general population who call everyone rip offs, rip off in itself is a negative handle for anything.
//thats the most intelligint coment ive herd so far ill chat with u any time
Schweet im in! hahaha
FUCK
you just said if you're a kiwi (fuck I hate that expression) and play in a band ( which means covers bands also) then you are playing original kiwi (FUCK) music.
I think chopper is right. Hollis definitely needs to get laid more often. And so do I. Perhaps there are even some women reading these posts who also need to get laid. To help these poor folk I will be at the Kings Arse tomorrow night, near the horrible fake fireplace. I will be wearing a namecard that says "Hello I'm Sockcucker". See you there...
Cunt is a good word, but i dont think he is intentionally being a cunt, perhaps he is just trying to get a reaction from you. you need to not take everything so personally, i try and take most people on here with a grain of salt. Most, I am glad to say are fairly intelligent & some astound me with their NZ music knowledge, I like the disputes they kind iof make me think from the others perspective...although I faulter I usually...actually always still believe that I am right, but thats what I am a self-righteous bitch, as are a lot of other people here. More power to them!
you're right chopper...I for one (TOADY) would never consider "jumping around sites trying to make trouble" but I feel that you are all missing the point here! Why put music into boxes? "Kiwi music, American music".......I think perhaps what you are trying to say is that what you consider "American Music" to be what you see mainly on your local TV networks.....and yes it is commercial......but hey there is also a lot of "American Music" that will not fit your descriptions! Look around your local music stores and you must see what I mean!! Delve a little deeper and you will find.....I for one, like NZ music because IT IS DIFFERENT and it is actually refreshing to hear the difference! I happen to listen to a lot of "American Music" as well and I find that there is a huge difference to what I hear!! Bands like Blindspott definitely have a different sound contrary to what many of you are saying, and I think it is "sounds" like their's that will have a huge impact on the future of music as a whole. Raw, visually simple music has a future.......
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its people like YOU chopper who need to ...
its people like YOU chopper who need to get an imagination.
first of all, this is a forum, where people are ALLOWED and ENCOURAGED to have their own opinions. just because someones is different to yours it doesn't make them simple minded.
i did make a point that savant were a creed rip off band. i didn't mean that i didn't like them. i just simply pointed out that you said that they were a great original New Zealand band. i would not call them an example of NZ music, simply because they are playing a similar style to Creed, Nickelback, and whatever other bands are around at the moment like that. this is a very American style, and like it or not, savant are playing their version of standard, middle of the road, US-style rock.
my suggestion to YOU chopper is to not read into things too much and stop taking them so personally.
you sound like you ARE a member of savant you know so much about them.
why don't you offer an opinion that at least sounds well-thought-out or educated at some point in time?
hello again. Well i agree with ...
hello again. Well i agree with chopper's sentiment. I think he/she is not saying that people aren't allowed to express their opinion - just that some people are not doing that by putting STUPID dumb comments that don't have any real value. If people did express their opions constructively it would be way more enjoyable read.
No one is taking it personally martha. It's a valid point. Why don't you stop attacking people?
STupid coments: If whinging & negativity were an Olympic sport NZ would win Gold, Silver and bronze.
I'M attacking people? chopper was ...
I'M attacking people?
chopper was the one who made it personal, not me.
Come on, look at it this way. Savant ...
Come on, look at it this way.
Savant are probably NZ's answer to Creed. Am I mistaken?
Blindspott are probably NZ's answer to RATM or another credible nu-metal band.
Hayley Westenra is probably NZ's answer to Charlotte Church.
This does not mean I don't like them or think that they are not worthy of in fact being NZ musicians or whatever it is that people are interpretting them as.
I agree with you nibbles in the fact that my comment in the Savant forum had little value, but I was merely reacting to chopper's comment that Savant were a great example of NZ music (and I paraphrase that). I am sorry I made that remark.
I am not a completely negative person. Nor do I whinge that much. In fact, I believe more than 60% of the time, I am saying GOOD things in these pages, and most of the time I talk about bullshit in the bar anyway, which is generally all tongue in cheek anyway.
Why is it that people in these forums feel the need to single people like myself, hollis and fuck I can't think of the others atm, out, when most of the time my opinions are backed up by some actual insightful comments. I apologise for the times they are not.
blindspott - credible? depends who ...
blindspott - credible?
depends who you talk to i guess
I heard their new song on the radio. ...
I heard their new song on the radio. Impressive. Though I thought it was some American act like POD or something, make of that what you will.
I personally think that Blindspott are ...
I personally think that Blindspott are quite good at what they do. They could have been a LOT cheesier but what they do, they do well.
In saying that though, I'm thinking their new song will take a while to grow on me.
hmm yes i've been waiting to let loose ...
hmm yes i've been waiting to let loose on this one stefan.
when i saw the first blindspott song on juice, i loved it, but thought it was american, without doubt. i couldnt even find the website for ages because i didn't even consider putting .co.nz at the tail end.
when i found out they were nz'ers, imagine my joy - something this good to call my own! i guess i just looked past the fact that they reminded me of an american band.
theres a fundamental difference though, i think, between the cases of blindspott and savant. while i thought blindspott were american because of their slick production and classily-low-budget vid, i laughed at savant because their power rock stylings are plainly kiwi but so closely ape the american take on the genre. the backing vocals actually had me laughing out loud in front of the tv, which never happens! and the lead singer has the southern fella trailer trash vocal style going on. i hoped my view on them would change but after hearing the second single, im getting stuck in my view that they are a band thats going to suffer because of their close association of styles with (arguably) the biggest band on the planet.
i want to hear this new single of blindspott's now - is there a best metal single release award at the tuis? something tells me no. whats it like style-wise stefan?
jimi You make a great point about ...
jimi
You make a great point about the differences between Blindspott and Savant.
I'm not sure how I'd describe So Us Is This so I'll leave it to Stefan, you asked him anyway.
I quite like Blindspott's videos... theres something so simple about them that makes them great.
As for a Best Metal act at the Tuis... something that should be considered.. or at least something that looks at the harder side of NZ Music. I'm talking punk/metal/hardcore that's probably not as commercial or radio friendly as some other genres but people are still achieving and it needs to be recognised. After all, most other genres are covered, including Hip Hop, Electronica, Childrens Music, Te Reo and even country.
Look at Sommerset, Blindspott, and even bands like Promise of Bloodshed, Day One, Kitsch, Brubeck and maybe even 8 Foot Sativa. All very good at what they do, but no awards for these guys.
On second thoughts, punk/metal/hardcore bands would probably not give a shit anyway.
hmm, jimi I'm going from one listen ...
hmm, jimi I'm going from one listen here so I'm not entirely accurate. From memory it has quite a lot of hip hop stuff going on and the usual "nu metal" stuff. I found it grooving. I turned the radio on and it was number 2 on the top 9 or whatever on Z, so I might listen out again and give you a better opinion.
im sorry if i insulted you martha but i ...
im sorry if i insulted you martha but i have followed savants carrer and theres a lot of bands that people dont look in took enought to have a valid opinion. i mean if you see savant live you would realise what i mean.they only realise commercial singles to get on the radio like alot of smart bands.ive talked to savant and they realise there singles sound like usa rock i think there just looking at the big picture.and seeing such abrupt comments is discourageing.
Point taken chopper. I have in fact ...
Point taken chopper.
I have in fact seen Savant live several times and think they are good at what they do. Its not a style I particularly like but I have always said that I support NZ music, no matter if I like it or not, and I am pleased to see bands like Savant gain success, whether it be minor or major.
I am sick of people branding me negative when if you look at most of my comments since I started posting, they offer either a positive or a well-informed, subjective point of view.
ahh that's better.......
ahh that's better....
how are you well informend...
how are you well informend
ya see nz is a hard place 4 any band to ...
ya see nz is a hard place 4 any band to get a name all nz cares about is fucking rugby i think all nz bands deserve a big pat on the back 4 hanging in ther.
any band who blames nz's passion for ...
any band who blames nz's passion for rugby on a)not succeeding or b)being crap, deserves a fucking kick in the head
i for one enjoy seeing people bitch on ...
i for one enjoy seeing people bitch on this site, but only when it is done intellegently, i get sick of "blah, blah, rubicon suck, blah, blah, blindspott are american crap, blah, blah" I like to see bitching but when it's funny or for a reason. humour is all good.
// deserve a big pat on the back 4 hanging in ther.
yeah but that doesn't mean they don't suck.
good point...
good point
I've only seen the Savant video clip ...
I've only seen the Savant video clip and I'm sorry you'd have to be blind and deaf not to draw comparisions to Creed. First vid, slick and full of posing, trying to look hard. Music plain rock.
I'm not trying to pick a fight, that is just how I see it. Maybe their future releases will prove this inaccurate, maybe not.
Thanks Stefan. My point ...
Thanks Stefan.
My point exactly.
I might be proven wrong in future as well.
Creed? They're not dickheads, they are ...
Creed? They're not dickheads, they are just Americanlike. I would say they are closer to Days of The New, or somethign a bit heavier than Creed, but still very american.
Blindspott are a product of america as well - the 5 piece DJ band. They are not entirely bad, but still, they should not really be called NZ music.
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oh come on - anything that's made in ...
oh come on - anything that's made in new zealand that's like other countries product is still new zealand made.
let's not get all elitist here - our music is our music is our culture is our country.
//Blindspott are a product of america ...
//Blindspott are a product of america as well...
You could say that about every freakin musical act in new zealand, because either america or britian would have done it first.....the only true new zealand performance would be the haka - and even the spice girls tried to rip that off.......
So by saying that Blindspott shouldn't really be called "New Zealand" music - ingoring the fact its written, recorded, sung, played and performed by new zealnd guys - why not go nuts and say the every single peice of music that has ever come out of new zealand, is a rip off of america?
music is art. art is imitation. being ...
music is art. art is imitation.
being original should be a priority but im sick of all this "theyre just rip-offs of" and "are so (insert foreign nationality here)" shit. The reason we all think Blindspott/Savant/etc. are so 'american' is because ther is not a large scene of that kind of music in NZ, they are, in fact, 'pioneers' for the genre in our country, and both (depending on your particular tatses) are pretty fuckin good at what they seem to be trying to achieve. Refering to Savant as posers, sure, I thought along the same lines when I first saw their vid but maybe theyre trying to make a really awesome video on a less the awesome budget, as Blindspott have done so well, but Savant may not have pulled it off tas well as they might have.
Dont squash them of their fans because they sound as if they have strong influences. Do you disrespect Remy Zero because theyre american but sound so British? If so, get off your fuckin high horse and get a grip. If someone in NZ sounded like Crowded House etc, would you say THEY were a rip off? I think not, only because they arent "nu metal", which many NZ music fans seem to be against - probably because theyre just arent many NZ metal/alt. bands here. Those who say the above (negative) things would most probably say the same spiteful, elitist comments about Pluto if they genre they 'fit' into was as young in out music industry.
Keep your nasty/negative comments for the 'artists' who dont write theyre own material, are almost fully funded, and are in the industry for personal gain in the form of fame/money, not because they are passionate about there music...the love of music is what drives most indie/alt/metal/punk bands here AND around the world, cause there sure as fuck aint enough money for all of those who deserve it.
Hey I just said they reminded me of ...
Hey I just said they reminded me of Creed, YOU applied the negative connotation.
thanks my minds sedate thats the most ...
thanks my minds sedate thats the most intelligint coment ive herd so far ill chat with u any time.
//I just said they reminded me of ...
//I just said they reminded me of Creed, YOU applied the negative connotation.
I wasnt pointing this at anyone in particular, just the general population who call everyone rip offs, rip off in itself is a negative handle for anything.
//thats the most intelligint coment ive herd so far ill chat with u any time
Schweet im in! hahaha
mymindsedate, it's the whole 'they ...
mymindsedate, it's the whole 'they are the same style as what is currently the popular (in the mainstream) style worldwide, so they are rip offs'.
i think its as simple as that. works with the point about crowded house as well. pisses me off aye.
if your a kiwi and play in a band you ...
if your a kiwi and play in a band you are makeing original kiwi music.
especailly if its feelers covers ...
especailly if its feelers covers you're playing.
fucking think before you post
Pretty generalised statement there ...
Pretty generalised statement there Chopper...this is not always the case
what do u mean think before i post...
what do u mean think before i post
for 'post' read 'speak' is that ...
for 'post' read 'speak'
is that simple enough?
what the fuck do u mean i never posted ...
what the fuck do u mean i never posted without thinking i dont know what the hell ya mean
FUCK you just said if you're a kiwi ...
FUCK
you just said if you're a kiwi (fuck I hate that expression) and play in a band ( which means covers bands also) then you are playing original kiwi (FUCK) music.
get it?
I'm being pedantic....
I'm being pedantic.
hollis has a minty up his arse by the ...
hollis has a minty up his arse by the sounds of it.
you are one nasty muthafucker who needs ...
you are one nasty muthafucker who needs to get out more or get laid.if ya just gona be a cunt about everything what r u doing on this site.
I am giving simple people something to ...
I am giving simple people something to think about
I am simply giving people something to ...
I am simply giving people something to think about
haha
I think chopper is right. Hollis ...
I think chopper is right. Hollis definitely needs to get laid more often. And so do I. Perhaps there are even some women reading these posts who also need to get laid. To help these poor folk I will be at the Kings Arse tomorrow night, near the horrible fake fireplace. I will be wearing a namecard that says "Hello I'm Sockcucker". See you there...
Cunt is a good word, but i dont think ...
Cunt is a good word, but i dont think he is intentionally being a cunt, perhaps he is just trying to get a reaction from you. you need to not take everything so personally, i try and take most people on here with a grain of salt. Most, I am glad to say are fairly intelligent & some astound me with their NZ music knowledge, I like the disputes they kind iof make me think from the others perspective...although I faulter I usually...actually always still believe that I am right, but thats what I am a self-righteous bitch, as are a lot of other people here. More power to them!
i think its funny that every one thinks ...
i think its funny that every one thinks there a nz music expert especialy people who jump around sites trying to make trouble.
good I'm glad ...
good I'm glad
It is pretty funny when you think about ...
It is pretty funny when you think about it
thanks for that enlightening observation
the end...
the end
dweeb...
dweeb
you're right chopper...I for one ...
you're right chopper...I for one (TOADY) would never consider "jumping around sites trying to make trouble" but I feel that you are all missing the point here! Why put music into boxes? "Kiwi music, American music".......I think perhaps what you are trying to say is that what you consider "American Music" to be what you see mainly on your local TV networks.....and yes it is commercial......but hey there is also a lot of "American Music" that will not fit your descriptions! Look around your local music stores and you must see what I mean!! Delve a little deeper and you will find.....I for one, like NZ music because IT IS DIFFERENT and it is actually refreshing to hear the difference! I happen to listen to a lot of "American Music" as well and I find that there is a huge difference to what I hear!! Bands like Blindspott definitely have a different sound contrary to what many of you are saying, and I think it is "sounds" like their's that will have a huge impact on the future of music as a whole. Raw, visually simple music has a future.......
hilarious...
hilarious
yes. yes it is. it is suspended. it is ...
yes. yes it is.
it is suspended. it is hilarious...
it could have started with 'weeb site'.