hardly any of them know any NZ music - let alone any GOOD nz music
they're mostly into clubbing and e and all that fun stuff - weeeeeeeeee
I mean... jeezuz
back when i was at uni = canterbury 88 - 91... there were heaps of bands to go watch and listen to - and heaps of student-types / alternatives would show up and it was crowded as...
now the student types are all clubbers - *glazed eyes*
and the alternatives are drying up - turning to turntables *shiver*
it's pitiful - techno is killing real music
*broad generalisation but you know what i mean*
SO
1 in 5 kiwi songs on radio - if this rekindles the desire to go see stuff performed LIVE then WA-HEY!
saw pluto / augustino / lucid3 / goodshirt / jakob / looma all in the last 3 weeks - fekken great - there's so much more to music when it's being cranked out right there in your face...
I was picking up my brother from the station the other day and Tadpole were on the radio, he said "Oh no, not Fur Patrol." I looked at him and laughed, saying "What? That's Tadpole." He said, "Female singers, same thing."
He listens to rap (I'd say hip hop but really most of his stuff is rap).
the dance cultrure is taking over, spin a disk grab some fame and get a crowd a-racing. The appeciation for live music has faded though im sure it shall be back some day i hope. How i dont know but those so called "musicians" djs that simply spin a disk then faded the next one (there are acceptions to this) get more recognision than that say-lucid 3/jakob ect how is this so....come on NZ bring it back to the real side.....though thats my point of view coming from a live musicians sense. more live music and more nz music on nz radio...keep it up active and "b"
sorry all, got a bit side tracked of the original topic.....
MORE NZ MUSIC ON RADIO, 1 out of 5 sounds good to me
Hate to rain on the parade and in doing so be horribly synical but I fear that this new quota will only mean that we will listen to the same NZ music,but just more frequently.If it stated more clearly that more new NZ music would be hitting the airwaves then I might sit up but until then I remain very skeptical of this new found openess to change.
I can remember when the whole ideas of playing New Zealand music on our radios was raised, the argument from the radio programmers was there is not enough New Zealand music out there,
comments where made like we will have to play Howard Morison's ten guitars....
what absolute bollix, I thought there is so much good Nz music, (time frame Muldoon was the leader of our land and the uni radio was playing " don't give me culture" in response to the concept that NZSO was the only vaild represntation of our culture and would get funding not bands
I always dreamed of the day that New Zealand's unique music style would fill our air waves
I thought when it happens we can stand tall in the joy of being surrounded by our culture, but whats happening??
we are getting weak nz imitations of cultures other than our own, played on the radio
I know I speak to the converted on this site when I say where do we hear Real nzmusic?
I worry that some peoples ideas of Quotas will mean my dream of the New Zealand Music Renaissance will die in the black plague of someone else idea of commercial music
A question does any one know what % of program directors are kiwi?
yep it's a synical way to look at it, but there is a definite possibility of commercial stations playing the same old song again and again; but I think it's preferable to have kiwi shite than american plastic pop coming out of the radio.
agreed. it may be shit, but at least its our shit. Like TV - Shortland Street and Home and Away are both crap, but it's better that Shorters gets the prime time slot. And even though it's crap, its fun to watch anyway.
the other thing is that until we actually get the quota running we don't know what will be played. Right now except for Z and the Rock, it's stuff all on commercial radio. Let's see what the programmers come up with before we start complaining.
stolberger
it'd be new NZ music alright
the new feelers
the new zed
etc.
no-one hold there breath
it will definitely be more of the same
just wearing a different suit.
new zealand has some good electronica too... pitch black goes without saying, epsilon blue's pretty choice u r a star sounds more digital than anything else. isn't electric music is mainly a european thing that has gone huge?
we have done well already. ten years old or so. shapeshifter has even taken to fusing it with the live sound, and with style. it all seems part electronic in one way or another.
would the new hip hop from p-money be too? that's if he hasn't gotten a few gat samples in there. could even do it kapisi style with more of the live band and all... dlt and juse have been doing good things, and will probably continue to. good bands are of an abundance in nz, along with what is turning out to be a fresh scene in digital sounds. we've always been on to it. mostly.
all this 25% local quota may bring the goods with the gears out of the woodwork. somehow. could make the radio worth listening to. bar the good stuff.
I agree that the adaptation of hip hop into the Pacifica sound is no weak imitation, e tu kia ka, stand tall in our Nz culture.
maybe it's time for people to acknowledge, accept and celebrate that we no longer have to knock two rocks together to make music
that seems far from happening in band savvy nz, aye. electronica may be getting big, but as much as the dj's (oh ye of little faith) would love to see the altogether loss of 'band' music, she'll never happen. (i'd be generalising about the dj's, most are probably into anything, or don't care. so good on 'em. though my brother thought bands are a dying breed i just had to offend him).
Being from US, I think it's great... maybe the next time I come visit, I will actually get to hear some good "native" music, instead of the same boring crap they always play here(well, SOME od it is)! That was about the only disappointment my first visit (to Christchurch) - it was like listening to music back home, only with the DJs having accents! Great people and great everything else; I just wanted to hear some fresh sounds! And since exploring this website, I KNOW there is more good music coming from the Aotearoa besides Shihad!
I dont know about this one in five saga, i guess 1 in 5 aint bad. But does this mean more of the same pop bubblegum american influenced shit...example...see K'lee. I certainly hope not. I hope that NZ's fresh talent such as our up & coming hip hop scene & our raw rock gets a fukking good look in. Fuk commercialised radio anywho...support the music right at the base and buy the cd's. If it does mean more zed & more rubicon I dont really give a flying fuk. I know because i dont listen to them that that is selfish...but what the hey. but on the other hand if it means exposing our talents, its all go.
what we need is some rich dude with no sense to pump his hard earned exploitation funds into a wannabe radiohead type band... or tortoise try-hard... or shellac imitator...
THEN you'd hear less complaining from me - AND NZ RADIO would be listenable
exception; that band that hard-core sounded and looked like nirvana...
I have been thinking about this, I do have some mixed feelings about the idea of compulsion being involved, but overall I think it will be all to the good. The way I see things shaping up is that commercial radio won't change its format - those that are bland wall to wall pap will continue to be so (and I think the markey will respond to some extent to produce appropriate music) - they won't want music which is going to offend anyone, to play it safe and for sadpackers who need it that way, much as I hate the thought of the music which will be produced to meet their needs, it could have interesting spin-offs. This is so even for "pop bubblegum american influenced shit". These stations won't play hiphop unless its real soft - maybe F8? But more money in the industry, more people with skills - so long as it doesn't price production facilities out of the reach of less commercial bands, its allgood.
Those stations which are moderately listenable, which do mix it up a bit, they will find quite a lot of kiwi music to fit in, and again that's all good, as it widens the audience. I understand some already play quite high levels of kiwi music, so its a proven model, in a way.
Mind you, the last time I listened to commercial radio for more than about 30 minutes at a time was, um, when Merv Smith did 1ZB mornings!! Go student/community/net radio.
Hmmm, well at first I thought this was a crap idea.. but I thought about it a bit more & it might turn out pretty good. I mean, if I do listen to the radio it's either Channel Z or the Rock & C.Z. already has a voluntary quota right? & that's not too bad, the same stuff isn't too badly repeated. No worse than any international song thats hot @ the moment.
Since there isn't really enough NZ pop for the bopper stations, they're gonna have to play a wider range of genres so the pop that there is isn't MAJORLY over played. If that happened there popularity could go down, so I'm trusting they won't.
This may make NZ music very 'cool to like' as someone suggested somewhere & as long as you aren't an inverted teeney bopper thats a good thing.
Could also encourage NZ music production, hopefully not too much of the poppier side tho...
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Bout time.
noizyboy said I was wrong... hmmm.... I wasn't was I?
culture shock re. nz music and the ...
culture shock re. nz music and the other kind
been doing a loose-as survey of NZers on icq...
hardly any of them know any NZ music - let alone any GOOD nz music
they're mostly into clubbing and e and all that fun stuff - weeeeeeeeee
I mean... jeezuz
back when i was at uni = canterbury 88 - 91... there were heaps of bands to go watch and listen to - and heaps of student-types / alternatives would show up and it was crowded as...
now the student types are all clubbers - *glazed eyes*
and the alternatives are drying up - turning to turntables *shiver*
it's pitiful - techno is killing real music
*broad generalisation but you know what i mean*
SO
1 in 5 kiwi songs on radio - if this rekindles the desire to go see stuff performed LIVE then WA-HEY!
saw pluto / augustino / lucid3 / goodshirt / jakob / looma all in the last 3 weeks - fekken great - there's so much more to music when it's being cranked out right there in your face...
bring all your mates to gigs! it's all good
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I was picking up my brother from the ...
I was picking up my brother from the station the other day and Tadpole were on the radio, he said "Oh no, not Fur Patrol." I looked at him and laughed, saying "What? That's Tadpole." He said, "Female singers, same thing."
He listens to rap (I'd say hip hop but really most of his stuff is rap).
lol - and what pray tell is the ...
lol - and what pray tell is the difference between one rap song and another?
gonads in the lightening??? i was ...
gonads in the lightening???
i was under the impression weeeeing was..... well, you know.
to true ed...to true. the dance ...
to true ed...to true.
the dance cultrure is taking over, spin a disk grab some fame and get a crowd a-racing. The appeciation for live music has faded though im sure it shall be back some day i hope. How i dont know but those so called "musicians" djs that simply spin a disk then faded the next one (there are acceptions to this) get more recognision than that say-lucid 3/jakob ect how is this so....come on NZ bring it back to the real side.....though thats my point of view coming from a live musicians sense. more live music and more nz music on nz radio...keep it up active and "b"
sorry all, got a bit side tracked of the original topic.....
MORE NZ MUSIC ON RADIO, 1 out of 5 sounds good to me
Hate to rain on the parade and in doing ...
Hate to rain on the parade and in doing so be horribly synical but I fear that this new quota will only mean that we will listen to the same NZ music,but just more frequently.If it stated more clearly that more new NZ music would be hitting the airwaves then I might sit up but until then I remain very skeptical of this new found openess to change.
yep that would suck... gave up on ...
yep that would suck...
gave up on radio AND TV AGES AGO...
it just doesn't inspire any original thought... so deadening of the spirit
I can remember when the whole ideas of ...
I can remember when the whole ideas of playing New Zealand music on our radios was raised, the argument from the radio programmers was there is not enough New Zealand music out there,
comments where made like we will have to play Howard Morison's ten guitars....
what absolute bollix, I thought there is so much good Nz music, (time frame Muldoon was the leader of our land and the uni radio was playing " don't give me culture" in response to the concept that NZSO was the only vaild represntation of our culture and would get funding not bands
I always dreamed of the day that New Zealand's unique music style would fill our air waves
I thought when it happens we can stand tall in the joy of being surrounded by our culture, but whats happening??
we are getting weak nz imitations of cultures other than our own, played on the radio
I know I speak to the converted on this site when I say where do we hear Real nzmusic?
I worry that some peoples ideas of Quotas will mean my dream of the New Zealand Music Renaissance will die in the black plague of someone else idea of commercial music
A question does any one know what % of program directors are kiwi?
yep it's a synical way to look at it, ...
yep it's a synical way to look at it, but there is a definite possibility of commercial stations playing the same old song again and again; but I think it's preferable to have kiwi shite than american plastic pop coming out of the radio.
agreed. it may be shit, but at least ...
agreed. it may be shit, but at least its our shit. Like TV - Shortland Street and Home and Away are both crap, but it's better that Shorters gets the prime time slot. And even though it's crap, its fun to watch anyway.
the other thing is that until we ...
the other thing is that until we actually get the quota running we don't know what will be played. Right now except for Z and the Rock, it's stuff all on commercial radio. Let's see what the programmers come up with before we start complaining.
'it may be shit, but at least its our ...
'it may be shit, but at least its our shit'
great
stolberger it'd be new NZ music ...
stolberger
it'd be new NZ music alright
the new feelers
the new zed
etc.
no-one hold there breath
it will definitely be more of the same
just wearing a different suit.
new zealand has some good electronica ...
new zealand has some good electronica too... pitch black goes without saying, epsilon blue's pretty choice u r a star sounds more digital than anything else. isn't electric music is mainly a european thing that has gone huge?
we have done well already. ten years old or so. shapeshifter has even taken to fusing it with the live sound, and with style. it all seems part electronic in one way or another.
would the new hip hop from p-money be too? that's if he hasn't gotten a few gat samples in there. could even do it kapisi style with more of the live band and all... dlt and juse have been doing good things, and will probably continue to. good bands are of an abundance in nz, along with what is turning out to be a fresh scene in digital sounds. we've always been on to it. mostly.
all this 25% local quota may bring the goods with the gears out of the woodwork. somehow. could make the radio worth listening to. bar the good stuff.
I agree that the adaptation of hip hop ...
I agree that the adaptation of hip hop into the Pacifica sound is no weak imitation, e tu kia ka, stand tall in our Nz culture.
maybe it's time for people to acknowledge, accept and celebrate that we no longer have to knock two rocks together to make music
//we no longer have to knock two rocks ...
//we no longer have to knock two rocks together to make music
too right!!
but in saying that, i would hate to ...
but in saying that, i would hate to lose the sound of one drum kit and three guitars, or the sounds of sax played low and slow
that seems far from happening in band ...
that seems far from happening in band savvy nz, aye. electronica may be getting big, but as much as the dj's (oh ye of little faith) would love to see the altogether loss of 'band' music, she'll never happen. (i'd be generalising about the dj's, most are probably into anything, or don't care. so good on 'em. though my brother thought bands are a dying breed i just had to offend him).
Being from US, I think it's great... ...
Being from US, I think it's great... maybe the next time I come visit, I will actually get to hear some good "native" music, instead of the same boring crap they always play here(well, SOME od it is)! That was about the only disappointment my first visit (to Christchurch) - it was like listening to music back home, only with the DJs having accents! Great people and great everything else; I just wanted to hear some fresh sounds! And since exploring this website, I KNOW there is more good music coming from the Aotearoa besides Shihad!
Nope.. dont have a COLD (code? lol) ...
Nope.. dont have a COLD (code? lol) ..meant some OF.
I dont know about this one in five ...
I dont know about this one in five saga, i guess 1 in 5 aint bad. But does this mean more of the same pop bubblegum american influenced shit...example...see K'lee. I certainly hope not. I hope that NZ's fresh talent such as our up & coming hip hop scene & our raw rock gets a fukking good look in. Fuk commercialised radio anywho...support the music right at the base and buy the cd's. If it does mean more zed & more rubicon I dont really give a flying fuk. I know because i dont listen to them that that is selfish...but what the hey. but on the other hand if it means exposing our talents, its all go.
what we need is some rich dude with no ...
what we need is some rich dude with no sense to pump his hard earned exploitation funds into a wannabe radiohead type band... or tortoise try-hard... or shellac imitator...
THEN you'd hear less complaining from me - AND NZ RADIO would be listenable
exception; that band that hard-core sounded and looked like nirvana...
I have been thinking about this, I do ...
I have been thinking about this, I do have some mixed feelings about the idea of compulsion being involved, but overall I think it will be all to the good. The way I see things shaping up is that commercial radio won't change its format - those that are bland wall to wall pap will continue to be so (and I think the markey will respond to some extent to produce appropriate music) - they won't want music which is going to offend anyone, to play it safe and for sadpackers who need it that way, much as I hate the thought of the music which will be produced to meet their needs, it could have interesting spin-offs. This is so even for "pop bubblegum american influenced shit". These stations won't play hiphop unless its real soft - maybe F8? But more money in the industry, more people with skills - so long as it doesn't price production facilities out of the reach of less commercial bands, its allgood.
Those stations which are moderately listenable, which do mix it up a bit, they will find quite a lot of kiwi music to fit in, and again that's all good, as it widens the audience. I understand some already play quite high levels of kiwi music, so its a proven model, in a way.
Mind you, the last time I listened to commercial radio for more than about 30 minutes at a time was, um, when Merv Smith did 1ZB mornings!! Go student/community/net radio.
"It's a free ride for them, they're ...
"It's a free ride for them, they're basically free-loading, and the price is paid by consumers."
OUCH...that's truely a naive view on things in this country.
Whether NZ music is played on alt.radio, AOR/MOR commercial radio, or whereever, it's good. Regardless of the genre being represented, it's good.
The general public are apathetic to local music (esp. live)...how do you shift the focus back?
//Whether NZ music is played on ...
//Whether NZ music is played on alt.radio, AOR/MOR commercial radio, or whereever, it's good. Regardless of the genre being represented, it's good.
except when its bad
Hmmm, well at first I thought this was ...
Hmmm, well at first I thought this was a crap idea.. but I thought about it a bit more & it might turn out pretty good. I mean, if I do listen to the radio it's either Channel Z or the Rock & C.Z. already has a voluntary quota right? & that's not too bad, the same stuff isn't too badly repeated. No worse than any international song thats hot @ the moment.
Since there isn't really enough NZ pop for the bopper stations, they're gonna have to play a wider range of genres so the pop that there is isn't MAJORLY over played. If that happened there popularity could go down, so I'm trusting they won't.
This may make NZ music very 'cool to like' as someone suggested somewhere & as long as you aren't an inverted teeney bopper thats a good thing.
Could also encourage NZ music production, hopefully not too much of the poppier side tho...
quotas are a stupid idea, end of story....
quotas are a stupid idea, end of story.
wait - there's gotta be an epilogue ...
wait - there's gotta be an epilogue after the end...
and here it is
"there is no such thing as END OF STORY
period
over and out
full stop
exclamation ooint
*picks up a magazine and goes to the loo for a nice relaxing dump*