I think people that burn CD's are cheap lowlife mofo's

wasnt looking at anyone in particular bro

what else can you do?

Yeah, ppl who burn & sell in the buy & sell etc for their own profit r bastards.

//so are people who burn for there own listening pleasure as well

Um, not really. If it's for their own private use, who gives two monkeys?

Yeah, whatever. Still, if you DON'T want to give them money, that's your choice.

NO NO NO NO NO NO - maybe I didn't word that properly, but here's my jist:

Burning CDs + selling them = stealing
Burning CDs/mp3s + using them privately = who gives a fuck?

Sure, you could argue that bu doing that, one is "stealing" from the artist - but that's like saying that photocopying exerpts from books is like stealing from the author. Or so I see it anyway. Bandwagon-jumping gets you nowhere in life.

Or maybe it's late and we're both tired.

ie. fixed and variable costs.

If I really LIKE a CD & band I will buy rather than burn... but some CDs are just not worth the CD they're recorded on. For me, MP3s & burning are a big listening post.

Hmm, you have a point there. Fair enough. Another reason why I BUY CDs is that I like to have an official copy of that particular release (and give my fave artist a break) - having a burnt copy just doesn't do it.

its the actual content on the CD thats so expensive. And they have alot of people to pay, the actual artist, record label etc

i live with some one who is soooo thing about not burning I'm not "allowed" to make up mixes of tracks I have bought,
before I had a burner i would copy onto tape, and keep my cd's under lock and key, too much money invested.
And as soon as shes not lokking i will fire up the burner it's cheeper and better sounding than tape

if you burnt the cd, then why would you buy what you already have?

it suxks but most people dont think like that megaccino

//casue the majority of ads i see r foreign bands whats with that?

Cos these bands are signed to the same record companies as NZ artists... if the record company gets burnt, then they sign less bands or have less money to give to local artists, perhaps.

It's not really that 'fashionable', it is actually quite a serious issue for local artists. I play bass in Fur Patrol and my thing about it is this. There is such an incredibly limited income stream for New Zealand musicians, primarily based on lack of population, who are doing music full time and have no time for day jobs or even part time work. Income from sales of records, even though the artist gets the last and smallest cut, is important in more ways than just going a small way towards paying the rent. If record companies don't make money from selling albums (be they local or foreign releases) they reduce funding for recording or promoting local artists. Sounds harsh but record companies are executives solely interested in making money.

You could argue that a band should hold onto their rights and do it independantly because it's all about their art and you'd be totally right. But in this country doing that means keeping your day job (which suits heaps of bands just fine). To make it your life means to get record company support or leave the country to more populated areas.

There appears to be an unusual perception that 'big shots' (as you put it) like Julia are loaded which is not the case at all. Every cent lost due to pirating is a kick in teeth for the local stuggling industry.

//There appears to be an unusual perception that 'big shots' (as you put it) like Julia are loaded which is not the case at all.

I didn't think that. Granted, Deans does appear to be quite a talented singer/writer, and I understand what it must feel like for her - I just didn't care much for her sarcasm on the campaign commercial they're airing on Juice. It came across as insulting.

What do you find insulting about it and who is it insulting?

Apart from the fact that I think you are coining a phrase that doesn't quite apply in this case (insulting to your intelligence? Maybe insulting to the designers of the CD burning technology but truth is - Julia has a CD burner, to burn CD's of her own recorded material. She was being sarcastic, something your intelligence shouldn't take personally) I think your concerns are answered in your previous post. The problem is that people view someone who has a public image as either a 'better' or someone others view as a better (your 'supposed better') and not as the completely normal person they are. If it was one of your friends fronting the campaign your opinion would be different because you wouldn't have any incorrectly perceived notions of the attitude behind their tone.

I think

Uh, I dunno. I don't neccessarily agree with a lot of my friends' views or opinions. If they got up there with all sorts of wisecracks aimed at people who burn CDs, I won't necessarily agree with them. Same, I've got some friends who are very vocal members of Amnesty International and World Vision - two organisations that I wouldn't think of joining. Or maybe you're sticking up for Julia 'cause she's your "friend"?

Still no hard feelings, and if the campaign goes along, then good work.

And why do you say that?

SOOOO jennio
you are saying that "size does matter" ????
I always was told it didn't ....surely it these // 'newish' bands... are the ones who most need the sales numbers to get investment for // full LP's?

I thought when I read angsty comments he was talking about Burning cd's of mp3's from bands who are not in production yet and need a hand to spread the sound... a rally in sydney sent me a cd of his bands first effort with a big please copy and give away as many as you can