big call...but i think a fair call. but it think the fact the song is so fucking wicked it kinda makes the vid seem better. watch it without sound, still a great vid...but legendary?

I'm trying to think of some vids as well.

true. the two should work hand in hand. but a great image is a great image and that is what i am looking for. It's tough cause if this was a "best video" forum it would be easier. But i'm looking for vids that, you mcould almost pull any still frame out of and it would be wicked. transcending normal music videos, videos that make anyone watching them go "fuck" and stand back in awe, just like some incredible still image.
I will make a temp little page with some legend music stills i'm talking about tomorrow and put a link in this forum, so you can see what i am talking about.

nice list.
would have to disagree with the lenny kravitz call, thats just a vechile for his wannabe 60s rocker ego.
most bjork vids are right up there.
The only vid to inspire me to run out and shoot a vid though would be "street spirit", it is hard to watch that footage and not want to create your own. the other vids are enjoyable though.

Smells like teen spirit is a great vid, but has never sat well with me, i of course love that album to death, but kurts angst seemed contrived in that video and i felt it.

nothing compares to you - timeless??? not something kids of today i think could watch and truly undestand how both beautiful and huge that song was for everyone in it's day.

Heart Shaped Box -- yeah visually cool, but lacks any real emotional attachment for me, just ching a bunch of pretty pictures, some wank artist dreamt up.

frozen --- another cool redesign of madonna's look and a beautiful cool colour video, but i think average and forgettable when you a building a list of the most remarkable videos.

human behaviour - i do like bjorks videos, human behaviour was a simple great concept, that puts many bigger budget vids to shame, but bjork was overstyled and her outlandish antics while being cool in vids like "oh so quiet" just seemed to not fit in, (even though that was the point of the vid).

- the dope show, again yeah cool..but perhaps a bit pretentious. I'm gonna watch it again tomorrow

bush - the one vid on this list i haven't seen, will make an effort to find it on net tomorrow.

NIN- visually cool, but just ripping off films of the time
Pearl jam - yeah....almost there.
marilyn manson - unless on the top of a list for mid nineties vids and people who can't break out of a worn design ethic. (i love reubens work, but come-on distreesed type/images on top of video--get over it.)..i can't believe slim even rehashed this technique with the vid for "rise"

neil finn. legend video, but doesn't inspire me, though i do enjoy watching it.
I'll give you my list tomorrow

yeah..but great art shoudn't only be appreciated in its' time.

// we ain't talking about what the artist did later, who they were, how good their music was

was I??

I know you have some more vids up your sleeve:)

what was great about the radiohead vid, is it's beauty and simplicity. People of all ages can simply watch that video and be amzed. Even though it is slight overuse of a technique, it is not done to the point of becomming tacky, and i feel that video will be as relevant in 20 years as it was when it came out. I could easily see that in a gallery and having people watch it in awe.

A visual feast but not a vid in future that someone will look at and go..."oh yeah, that was made in '95"

I have never liked videos that were "fashion" ie. overstyled, technique overuse, easily catergorised.

I'm loving finding out what vids you find visually stimulating, what are the vids that got you into music video in the first place? I got into shooting vids because of a lack of vids that i thought captured the live energy of bands, photography is extremely difficult for this, sometimes i can nail it, but more often then not i fail, this is when i turned to video.

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nice q. what got me into it.

well all the above vids didn't. they nearly did, but overall i beleive they triggered something that came into use later. a lot of it came from the same sense of frustration that you described: seeing the live and seeing it not captured. i've made a start recently, but not to my satisfaction - i have so much to learn - but always striving for the ideal of describing the vision i have in my head when i picture a song (when listening to it).

i think you've touched on something important - how stimulating the live performance is. I find it totally intoxicating, and on a personal level want to recreate this for all to see that didn't experience the live situation. I think this has fueled my personal video work as well as the desire to make this site. Again I'm not there yet, and it's difficult saying this in a public space.

What got me into MV in the first place? It's gonna sound cheesy, but I have to be fair - Wellington, Bailter Space, Fugazi @ Union, and finally, following Shihad all over NZ. After that sequence of events I couldn't ignore it - and I've attempted to risk my career ever since, just to add something back to that culture.

also - you're right - i realise i can't convince you - cos it's your passion and thats all that counts. i love it!!!!

// i think you've touched on something important - how stimulating the live performance is. I find it totally intoxicating, and on a personal level want to recreate this for all to see that didn't experience the live situation.

together we could take on the world :0
not enough live videos i reckon, and the ones there are lack real excitement.

Everybody spends there lives trying to recreate the live feel, producers spend many sleepless nights trying to make a cd sound like the band is playing live, video directors capture the live excitment.....why can't all those munters at home just go to the fucking gigs!!!!!!

keep taking those photo's and vids - it'll work, even if it's just for our hometown

as Jon said "the most vibrant scene in the country"
doesn't that make you feel a little good blink...

ltr - me sleepy..great chatting with you - all the kiddies must be in bed.

my post below this looks suckly now - groan....

hey man..I'll find some pictures you will dig :)
don't get me wrong i love music videos, i'm just searching for the vids that aren't wank.

In the director's cut of the ZED video there is none of that crap behind the scenes bullshit, that's the record company's involvment I'd say.

//it isnt "envelope pushing"..... its actually a satire of envelope pushing

I knew that. Ohhh, I hate Robbie Williams. I guess that video had its merits (ie. girls in panties rollerbalding around Robbie), but as soon as he starts shedding his body, I think to myself - this guy is just a decadent bastard.

//When I think back to some of the art-house crap that was put out in the 80's and 90's, shot on video

yeah - down with art!! and yeah video is so crappy, your much better off spending your 5 g's on film stock and a fancy crane.... if you've got those two things you can make great vids like marystaple and the datsuns... forget being fresh / interesting / challenging / DIFFERENT etc... i like the vids you listed because they're damm slick... but boring as hell.. you should tell george lucas to go back to film

//with crappy fx added in a crappy 2nd hand post production suite..... erghh!!!

yeah... i was so mad the day my secondhand flame arrived and they hadn't bothered to clean the letter 'x' on the keyboeard... laugh - die

//Especially when you consider that a medium budget 30" commercial is made for around a 100 grand -

and a high budget tvc is done for 1 billion dollars

//Sorry you felt personally attacked.

not at all, i just could fight the urge to reply

//Have you directed/produced or been involved with making any music videos? If so I'd love to see them.

half a dozen or so, actually at the moment im in pre-production with blink on an ejector vid... due out in june

//Medium budget 30" TVC's in New Zealand do not cost a billion dollars, or a million dollars or even half a million dollars. Are you watching the superbowl on cable or something?

thanks for the info, but what i actually wrote was "and a high budget tvc is done for 1 billion dollars"... i was taking the piss in reference to your ridiculous statement that a medium budget tvc is done for 100 k in nz... you may find this is far from the truth these days

dont want to say too much here ... whats your email, ill send u a list

//no offence samflux, but i'm not sure that lemonde was all that far away from the budget reality here

hmm, very fair call ... but i guess it depends if we're saying medium meaning (a) average, middle of the road... or medium as in (b) half way between the cheapest and the most expensive ads in town. ...

its kinda imposible to guess either.. but i reakon (a) would be like around 20k and (b) would be anywhere between 200k and 500k... and also irrelevent

just some more fuel to the fire

couldn't agree more... a lot of it is stupid coporate image bullshit... the old 'our ones shot on film, what about yours?' .. any producer would admit that the extra cost is hardly ever reflected in the end result.... there is a whole lot of variables to consider like - script, talent, direction .. i think to much emphasis goes toward , . lets spend all our money on stock, processing offline/online not too mention a much inflated crew.... when more thought/money should go into .. lets get a kick arse idea, great talent and the best director and crew...

i luv the classic argument is hd better than film? btw lemonade most video clips in the 80's in nz were shot on 16mm

//Hey dickhead.

hello

//Having worked extensivly in both industrys I would have a valid opinion.

where does opinion come in to it? im not trying to present any kind of subjective argument

//And either way - its just an opinion... If you read my post I was being really positive about NZ music videos.

great that you're bein positive, i like all these vids too... but blinks challenge was "videos that are truly groundbreaking, vids that could stand in a gallery alongside modern art" and some ppl seem to be wandering somewhat. i guess im curious to hear real answers... great if they're local of course... but i dont see where budget and format comes into play...

//If I hit a nerve, sorry. See you at the oscars - this is fucking booooooring. GET OVER YOURSELF.

good advice, thanks lemonde, would luv to see some of your work too

you'll have to watch it on tv to see the effect. request it lots and stay glued to the screen, without blinking, fully focussed. stay completely sober, don't let the song get to you and remember stay focussed - you may miss the effect - it's very crafty new technique yet to break thru in the states. look out spike jonze - the 'jarrrr' is in the house. it's the new 'white flash'.

doh ... did i mention that marystaple vid is my fav in the whole world.... but budget and medium has nothing to do with nothing..

yeah my hat is off... but it tastes kinda funny