I haven't seen much mention of bands reforming and attempts at making comebacks here, so I thought I'd chuck in a few cents. Does anyone here not care that Right Said Fred are making a comeback by rereleasing 'I'm too Sexy'? Rage Against the Machine are reforming to play one gig. Crowded House are reforming. Axl Rose's GNR seems to be finally coming to fruition. Michael Jackson is planning to record a new album. Kids are playing Korn at parties again. The Police are playing another gig. Van Halen are back together...
Damn. Am I just more aware of this stuff this year or has music ultimately decided that there is no point in continuing on. Has music become your father, caught in his past, reliving moments by spinning old records. The good ol' days. Who needs to branch out when the greatest has already been? Should sleeping dogs just lie?
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I don't think the music's the ...
I don't think the music's the problem, it's more to do with the way the people who run things look at things now, the bottom line is the music business is run by accountants .. as is everything now a days .. it's not about what the music's about, it's about how much will this cost" will this sell " , "how can we make this work and still remain in control of the situation, so the "company can profit " .. now that in a pure sense is fine .. I think where it goes wrong in part is .. music being seen in a business sense, profit and loss by those incharge of the purse strings and not musical content. It's been like that for years I know, but now it's a package / image the business is selling, where by in the past it was about content, that's the big business take on things I feel. There's alot of good music out there, it's just hard sometimes for them to get their head above the pulpit .. A & R ( for what they're worth ) are looking with the eyes of an accountant and the ears of a mainstream middle of the road safety officer.
Who gives a shit. If you don't like ...
Who gives a shit.
If you don't like it don't support it, and ignore it.
They just want some more money and like Wainui said the music industry is run by accountants.
If you like the band and you like that they have reformed then check it out. if not, ignore it.
I'm interested to hear Crowded House again, but I'm not excited about any other reformations I have heard about, And I'm not interested in any oth ones listed above.
I think that, people need to invest a ...
I think that, people need to invest a little more time into their music searching and try to push their boundaries a little...
There is so much good new music out there.
I think investing time searching out ...
I think investing time searching out and listening to new music all the time is kind of killing music for me... maybe I'm just being nostalgic for the days of buying a tape, thrashing it to death for months, then looking to buy another one.
After posting this I was thinking that ...
After posting this I was thinking that perhaps the great new music that is being made has inspired those before them to get back into it. So many circles.
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its never been easier to findout about ...
its never been easier to findout about music- but then you still have to seperate & keep the 5% brilliant & the 5% abysmal & biff the 90% mediocre- because of volume available that is way more daunting
then theres the sifting thru- lost ...
then theres the sifting thru- lost classics- qunq- which is turning weird nowadays- ¿why?- take bill fay- john phillips & peter laughner- fay & phillips have recently been- rediscovered- again qunq- got given phillips- bought fay @ rg & finally- after 20 or so yrs- found laughner- turns out theyre all mediocre- it was especially hard to realize this with laughner- his guitarings great- but his voice is too self conscious & his songs arent as good as they could be- apart from life stinks & aint it fun- o well
sorry- its turned weird cos everything ...
sorry- its turned weird cos everything written about these records equates them with genius lost classics &c
I think one of us is drunk? I found ...
I think one of us is drunk?
I found that quite difficult to read.
yes music sux now, what's you point? ...
yes music sux now, what's you point? there's plenty of old stuff to look for. Who cares about now, music hasn't been exciting since the early-mid 90's
Nah! you sound like a 50 something ...
Nah!
you sound like a 50 something suburbanite
there is so much good music in every field..
but haven't really heard any Drum and Bass that has grabbed me in the last few years though...
except John B In Transit
..this has been gone over before., but ...
..this has been gone over before., but I bet in 10 years time we'll still be hearing bands with retro mop hair styles trying to sound indie ((like the strokes except the strokes weren't that bad). ). Doing the credible-songwriting thing without actually writing any good songs, trying to be liked.......snore. Nothing has changed in a good few years now, and there's nothing to say that it will.
I'm not hearing those bands now, doubt ...
I'm not hearing those bands now, doubt I'll be in situations where I'm hearing them in 10 years either.
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<i>..this has been gone over before., ...
..this has been gone over before., but I bet in 10 years time we'll still be hearing bands with retro mop hair styles trying to sound indie ((like the strokes except the strokes weren't that bad). ). Doing the credible-songwriting thing without actually writing any good songs, trying to be liked.......snore. Nothing has changed in a good few years now, and there's nothing to say that it will.
It seems to me that you have a very narrow field of vision.
Do you only listen to "indie"(Boy, I do dislike that term)
I try to find and listen to new music - ...
I try to find and listen to new music - I really do. But I often find that the song I'm listening to has been done before by someone else (usually better, but that may just be personal taste).
I also find that in many cases the music released by once-popular artists after they've fallen off the popularity radar can be really engaging, too. Both You're the One (2000) and Surprise (2006) by Paul Simon are good, and Mark Knopfler's 21st century output (Ragpicker's Dream, Shangri La and the collection of duets, All the Roadrunning) is quite enjoyable, too. Tom Petty's latest offering, Highway Companion is just as reliable as his previous work, and Tim Finn's new album is nice, too.
So, I guess "new" music doesn't have to be by new artists.
Ditto to the first part of your post, I ...
Ditto to the first part of your post, I find that too. however that said alot of songs take on a new life as a cover, and a number of hit's of the past have been just that, as I'm sure you all know. we only really associate what we listen to, to the time and place we're at, a song could have been around for years with not even a whisper to it's name, then wham, someone picks it up re-records it and it becomes a hit, either then everyone's talking about it as if it never existed before...as for covers now I think they tend to be done more for profit .. those accountants again .. it worked once it'll work again kinda thing hence any real passion / understanding or personal interpretation of songs today are bogged down in the mire of bland commercialism. As for the second part of your post, speaks for it's self really :-).
<i>we only really associate what we ...
we only really associate what we listen to, to the time and place we're at
Right. And there's lots more of those memorable moments when you're younger: first tastes of freedom with your first car and a full tank of gas; never-ending summer holidays with your mates; getting off with that girl from down the road you've always fancied; or whatever. Nowadays, I'm just as likely to be sitting at my desk working as anything else when I hear a new song, and there's nothing special about that!
Maybe that's why we say "music was much better when I was young".
Yeah think maybe that's it, in some ...
Yeah think maybe that's it, in some ways music becomes a back ground soundtrack to our lives as oppossed to THE sound track of our lives.
<i>So, I guess "new" music doesn't ...
So, I guess "new" music doesn't have to be by new artists.
Absolutely
Right. And there's lots more of those memorable moments when you're younger: first tastes of freedom with your first car and a full tank of gas; never-ending summer holidays with your mates; getting off with that girl from down the road you've always fancied; or whatever.
I hear ya, but don't let this happen--> Nowadays, I'm just as likely to be sitting at my desk working as anything else when I hear a new song, and there's nothing special about that!
That's real sad dude! Your job isn't your life.
Unless you love your job of course
whether or not we want our jobs to be ...
whether or not we want our jobs to be our lives, they ineveitably become them. Imagine sitting at a computer from 8:30 to 5:00 everyday, getting home by 6:00, all you 've got time for is making dinner, doing the dishes, watching an hour of tele and then bed. That's it, that's life as an adult. Fuckin aye, butiful. Oh then there is the weekend, most of which you'lle spend doing washing and housework. You wonder why old people aren't into music?? there just isn't the time, literally no time.
How old are you? I'm 30. I work 6 days ...
How old are you? I'm 30. I work 6 days a week, I walk an hour home, I still have time to write some music, cook dinner do the dishes, watch a dvd and still hang out with friends and do other things on my one day off. Maybe that's just me....
27, you must be some motivated go ...
27, you must be some motivated go getter to fit all that in. Sorry but all I want to do after a day of boring office work is blob out, not going to expend much effort researching 'alternative' or electronic type music, pretty much got all I want anyway.
Jesus Christ. I've been on here for ...
Jesus Christ. I've been on here for some years rdor and it seems you've chosen to see your life as an endless series of boring events that suck. And because of your attitude, you're probably right. But just because your situation is shitty and repetitive and dull, doesn't mean everybody else's is. "Life as an adult"? No, it's "Life as Rdor". I'm approximately the same age as you, work in an office from 9 - 5 (a music magazine office, admittedly) and life is good fun. And truthfully, it gets better with every passing year since I left university at 22. This year is already shaping up to be particularly awesome, and 2008 is my first year of "proper" travel.
I know this isn't what the thread is about, but maybe you need to take stock and figure out what you really want out of life if it is as miserable as it sounds like it is at the moment. Just write, and let your mind put down whatever it feels like, and see where you really want to be.
You tell 'im Sam R'dor you need to ...
You tell 'im Sam
R'dor you need to get a crack on. I've said it before and I'll no doubt say it again but "You're nothing if your not down with the kids"... if you can't find any young friends, or even people who will allow you to hang in lieu of beer, get some lass , marry her and breed.
It did wonders for me.
I've always got time for Music , because I MAKE TIME.
don't allow excuses , work your timetable to include quality listening time. I've even set Speakers up under the eaves of the Music room so i can pound quality Music like , AUDIOSLAVE ,the Undercurrents, Miles Davis and Joan Armatrading whilst playing Football with my kids.
its summer time magic.
having a six-year old sing you "Oceans Wide" whist practising Bicycle Kicks is the business, more people should be doing this.
Wow, didn't know this would get such a ...
Wow, didn't know this would get such a response. G'day to Wainuiomata, adriancarl, rdor, White Rhino & Foal30.
I think I remember writing in one of Jesus Crux's millions of topics - the one about resolutions for 2006 - about wanting to cut back on work, working on the half-formed songs in my head and notebooks, and spending more time on myself. I succeeded in all of those to an extent. (Plus I got married, so all in all, 2006 was a triumph!)
Anyway, I'm self-employed and I work from home, so it actually takes a bit of self-control to arrange time off. Yes, you read that right; it's not a typo [laughs]. What I mean is that if you're lazy like me and you have the freedom to set your own working hours, you inevitably spend half of the "working" day surfing the net, so by the time you actually gt through your work, the day is often over.
It's weird to think you need will-power to not work :)
Still, when you work for yourself it's no-work-no-eat, and hunger is a good motivator to keep you sitting at your desk!
I'm 41, I work 11 hours a day 5 days ...
I'm 41, I work 11 hours a day 5 days aweek and spend just over 2 hours a day in travel, I tend to meet up with my mates at least two times a week after work and on my days off I meet other mates for lunch / drinks, when I have days off during the week, and parties, BBQs, movies etc at weekends, then there's my holidays .. more parties / drinks. Mind you I am single with no real responsibilities, master of my own free will. As for work, most of you know where I work and what I do .. lets just say we've had our fair share of rock n roll days here too, there's always a bottle of rum in the cupboard ! infact there's two at the moment, one bottle of red wine and a half bottle ( unopened ) of Becherovka, and there's a DVD of the isle of wight festival 1970 playing on the plasma ... :-) life's not too bad :-).
Isle Of Wight ... Jealous RDOR:Get off ...
Isle Of Wight ... Jealous
RDOR:Get off your ass and turn off the telly
I'm inherently lazy, so if I can get all that done so can you and more
....so what, there's only middle age ...
....so what, there's only middle age ahead of you. Fuck being down with the kids, we'll only end up being sad old hangers on.
Rhino : are you saying you have non-work related conversation with others during the breaks?Oh the indulgence. Frowned upon where I work.
Well that really sux. Quit. I don't ...
Well that really sux.
Quit.
I don't envy your life 1 bit.
It sounds like you have a really soul sapping job, are you a public servant or something?
Yeah I agree dude, quit your job if ...
Yeah I agree dude, quit your job if they're looking over your shoulder and shit.
I sell the ads, so as long as the budgets are being met and there's plenty of revenue coming in, there's no problem. This seems to be the case with most sales people I have spoken to - lots of freedom and good pay, so long as you deliver the goods. You're 27 - you should be able to work somewhere where you get treated like an adult, rather than have people rapping you on the knuckles for talking to colleagues, or something.
You create your own luck, before we go down that path...I worked at Vodafone before this, for six weeks, fucking hated every minute of it, and quit, never to return to corporate bullshit.
but it's how you embrace being a sad ...
but it's how you embrace being a sad hanger-on
why else would we be here, of all places?
just think, we would never of met.
I'm part of a department that orders ...
I'm part of a department that orders books for the intitution-that-shall-not-be-named libraries. 90% of the time I am doing the same thing over and over again, and I don't mean just generally the same things, but exactly the same steps, from hour to hour, day to ]day, week to week, it never changes. COuldn't belive it when I started. In the breaks the uber nerd mentally here means most pple sit in a corner of the tea-room and read. There's some limited interaction... but not enough to break the boredom ..maon moan moan
escape. Escape! ESCAPE! That sounds ...
escape.
Escape!
ESCAPE!
That sounds awful. get out of there!
I used to work opposite the Nat Library, and the people from there generally were.... Interesting?!
(To put it nicely)
Heaps of nice people too though.
Can someone please give Rdor a job!
and a girlie make this weekend your ...
and a girlie
make this weekend your weekend R'dor
you can do it!
.......okay! I think I can, I think ...
.......okay!
I think I can, I think I can, I think I can...
No thinking, just do !...
No thinking, just do !
It sounds awful. Go to Seek and sign ...
It sounds awful. Go to Seek and sign up to receive their daily emails of jobs you might like. Then get the fuck out of there and don't look back...If you want to, that is...
I'm sorry but....don't you need a ...
I'm sorry but....don't you need a reference to get any job worth applying for? I did quite badly here, especially when I started. The manager loathes me. I wouldn't dare ask for a reference, so how do I explain the last year of my life? Alien abduction?
Whew, for a minute there I thought you ...
Whew, for a minute there I thought you might not be able to find a really good reason to stick with a crappy job that you hate.
If they don't like you, they might ...
If they don't like you, they might just want to get rid of you!
so you have a 50/50 chance of getting a good reference.
Anyway stop procrastinating and worrying about references.
Get out there and start looking!!!
In my long and illustrious career, ...
In my long and illustrious career, I've only ever had my references checked once. And apart from leaving my last job, I never had a reference from a job I was in. If you apply for a job while you still have one, chances are they won't expect you to have one from your current job anyway. Stop making excuses. If you are unhappy then change things.
I agree - you'll get the job based on ...
I agree - you'll get the job based on your personality once you get the interview. You'll get to the interview by submitting a CV that is best suited for the job (and you should change your CV and cover letter for every job you apply for), you'll get to the next stage by being friendly, communicative and confident in the interview, and you'll get the job if they like you the most. Not if you're the most skilled (that's for sure) or qualified (ditto). Hit Seek and go forth, young man.
yeah rdor, references and CVs are ...
yeah rdor, references and CVs are generally up to fuck all unless you're gunning for an advertised position in a reasonably formal industry.
if you want to do something in particular, don't take no for an answer. depending on the type of industry, after pestering and hassling them with no luck, offer to volunteer for a while - show them what you've got. you might have to get a night job or something for a while and you'll be tired, but fuck it, you've got your foot in the door.
There you go Rdor! We all know you can ...
There you go Rdor!
We all know you can do it, go to it!
Keep us posted.
And keep your chin up
I don't feel the rfiendly at all ...
I don't feel the rfiendly at all lately, or motivated, found out my mother has cancer a few months ago (yes cry sympathy here). Any former friend/aquantance I've run into in the last year has snobbed me, I try and fill my spare time with distractions but it doesn't work. I couldn't care less about working or success, just want something I can do that isn't too depressing or loathsomely boring.