Allo :)
I want to become an established performing musician, and the way I see it, there are 4 checkpoints on the way:
- Gigging (creating a fan-base)
- Getting a manager
- Getting a lawyer
- Getting a record deal
My question is, in what order should I go about the above?
Cheers
Gideon


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gig. the rest will come when the ...
gig.
the rest will come when the time is right. If you build it, he will come.
Ok, thank you, but... A - I have a ...
Ok, thank you, but...
A - I have a bit of a thing, where I kinda need to map the whole thing (or the main parts) before I go into it. I don't want to just go blindly in there, so I'd like to hear from people's experience.
B - Gigging involves contracts, or it might involve clients not paying up. Either way, sounds like a job for a lawyer. And isn't the job of a manager to get you gigs?
dude. you think too much. don't think, ...
dude. you think too much. don't think, play music.
just play some shows, don't even worry about money for your first few shows..getting shows is more important then money...seriously, things have a way of working themselves out.
Go to some gigs...when you see bands you like, ask them if you can play a show with them. easy as that.
as a musician you should never think ...
as a musician you should never think with your lawyer
Judging by the tone of this and your ...
Judging by the tone of this and your past posts, it doesn't sound like you really know that many musicians. If that's the case, then my suggestion to you is that you go find some musicians to hang out with.
From my experience of music in these parts, cracking the scene by drafting a business plan doesn't really happen, unless you're doing covers. All the successful bands I know have grown organically from social contacts - just going to see their friends' bands, getting to know other people in bands they admire, fucking about with guitars and beer, playing shit gigs for shitter money & then getting shitfaced, that kinda thing.
Just I think having a bunch of mates that have already trod that path makes it far more apparent that all the other projects (organising gigs, getting a manager, recording an album) don't require much in the way of a five-step plan or legal representation. All that business stuff is probably more important if you're about to hit the big-time, but to get that far you really need to invest in the little-time first, in which beer is a far more important consideration, especially free beer.
Did someone say free beer...??? Yes ...
Did someone say free beer...??? Yes please.
record deal? the way things are going ...
record deal? the way things are going all major label interest is going to leave this country in the next couple of years.
so bad luck on that one.
managers are only useful so far as organising larger shows, tours and putting you in contact with certain personalities, but not somethign you worry about from the beginning. especially seeing as you don't have any experience thus far, you won't know what you'll need from a manager. and most of the managers i've seen are useless peripheral people to the bands they manage.
a lawyer only comes into the picture if you ever get into record contracts.
if there's no label interest in new zealand by the time you get to that stage, than there's no point for them. check out APRA if you feel you need some sort of copyright/legal help i reckon.
but if you want a map - play your music, push to play with as broad a spread of styles and shows and get in contact with people already involved with music and start a discourse with them. push to get recordings and an internet presence established as soon as you can, and make sure you use only the finest white china and screw only the classiest groupies. only throw a tv out the window these days if its a plasma screen of at least 40". make sure to shit before you go on stage, releases a lot of nervous energy.
Ughh.. talk about sobering up ...
Ughh.. talk about sobering up :(
Thanks everyone :)
If you really want to play music, the ...
If you really want to play music, the only thing you can do is start playing it. It will become quickly apparrent whether it's going to work for you.
... Or you could end up playing for years and getting no where, even if you are fantastic
... Or you could be complete shit and still get a record deal through contacts you managed to make
... Or you could happen to catch the crest of the new wave of fashion just in time before it becomes a stale fad...
... um ... what we were talking about? ... oh yea ... Do it, Do it!
In my very non-expert opinion... It ...
In my very non-expert opinion...
It looks like you've got your eye on the prize - the records, the tours, the royalties, the renown - that's good. That'll help you keep focussed when you're putting in the hard slog.
But unless you're one of those manufactured groups that a record company concocts for a short-lived career, there's no practical way to avoid the entry-level gigging.
I remember when, aeons ago now, our band first started out: we knew nothing (no internet back then!), but we just called up some pubs and told them the truth. "We want to start gigging but we're not sure how it works. What's your booking system?" Except for a (very) few people, most of them were kind and helpful.
No managers, no lawyers, no record deals; just rehearsing and gigging, enjoying the applause, grinning and bearing the jeers, rolling our eyes at the calls for Napalm Death covers and laughing at the on-stage mishaps.
Slayer covers ... in Welly's it's ...
Slayer covers ... in Welly's it's Slayer... /is tempted to learn Skeletons Of Society....
There's definitely something to be ...
There's definitely something to be said for doing what you know. Rehearse, write, play, go to gigs, meet other muso types, meet other punters... don't worry too much about getting 'staff' (managers, lawyers, etc) unless it's for something you don't know, can't learn or don't have the time/patience for. Even then, one of your mates is probably a great graphic designer, maybe your sister is a photographer... y'get me?