Can't believe no one has opened this topic up yet. I was blown away after seeing the new magazine. I'm sure Barney etc think they're very clever but seriously, that's basically child porn. If any of the many rumours are true about that guy then the photography is just the tip of the iceberg.
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pavements always been child porn so ...
pavements always been child porn so there is no need for this topic
Funnily enough someone else just said ...
Funnily enough someone else just said this to me. Believe me, the new issue takes the cake.
Whats on it? I've never bothed with ...
Whats on it? I've never bothed with that sort of magazine.
// I've never bothed with that sort of ...
// I've never bothed with that sort of magazine.
one with words?
burn...
burn
yeah, i reckon that issue seems pretty ...
yeah, i reckon that issue seems pretty dodgy. Its their "youth" issue, so everyone in it is under 18, some of the photos are a bit... suspect.
I read their 'sex issue' had a 14 yr ...
I read their 'sex issue' had a 14 yr old model featured
Pardon my ignorance, I don't even know ...
Pardon my ignorance, I don't even know Pavement magazine. This thread gives me an idea of what kind of mag it is, but what kind of magazine does it purport to be?
It's a style mag, going for a bit of ...
It's a style mag, going for a bit of the "nu urban lifestyle" angle... Some interviews, some fashion spreads, reviews of movies / music / whatever else... probably something about some restaurants or cafes, I guess. I dunno, any opinion pieces?
Hmm... "Pavement is NZ's leading ...
Hmm... "Pavement is NZ's leading contemporary culture magazine for modern youth, covering everything new and essential in fashion, music, film, art, products, clubs, life and style."
Yep, "nu urban lifestyle" is the appropriate derisive epithet.
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Bravo Nympho, as with all your other ...
Bravo Nympho, as with all your other posts, you've yet again devastated us with your rapier wit. And it only took two weeks to come up with!
//probably something about some ...
//probably something about some restaurants or cafes, I guess. I dunno, any opinion pieces?
They only come out like quarterly, so I don't think I've seen them do restaurant reviews. And opinion pieces? Ha! Apart from the CD/music reviews, everything else reads exactly like the PR sheet they got it from - which admittedly is much like almost every other NZ magazine.
Thanks for filling me in. I wonder, ...
Thanks for filling me in.
I wonder, tho': judging by this thread and the review that noizyboy posted below, it seems Pavement is rather well known for that kind of smut. In which case, I assume Pavement has received public criticism about it, so have they made any kind of statement? Y'know, defending it or something?
//so have they made any kind of ...
//so have they made any kind of statement? Y'know, defending it or something?
Hipster bingo time! Two points for use of words "edgy", "fringe", and "in your face", and two points for every slur that uses the words "banal" or "mainstream". Five points if they uphold "Art" as an ideology, ten points if they complain about political correctness.
..oh, and no points if they're "sorry ...
..oh, and no points if they're "sorry if anyone was offended" (the consummate non-apology apology) cos that's a given.
And can I PLEASE have a Tall Poppy ...
And can I PLEASE have a Tall Poppy Syndrome in there? Cos that's what I'm craving.
My personal favourite is when the offending company basically says that anyone who complains is fucking stupid. This from Jenny Craig, in the herald this morning after it turns out their "Try Jenny Craig for just $7 a week" TV ad actually costs over $100 a week - "It is not our intention to mislead ... We sincerely apologise to the complainant for their interpretation."
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i will violently brutally ...
i will violently brutally bloodthirstingly and unforgivingly slaughter jenny craig and any member of her family on any tennis court .
//one with words?// You are gay...
//one with words?//
You are gay
yep, filth. not even worth promoting ...
yep, filth. not even worth promoting the mag by talking about it. I've always made a point to never send my cds to them to review, and would turn down any pavement profile/article.
from Critic... Along with the ...
from Critic...
Along with the obvious cringe-worthiness of a "thirteenth birthday special teen issue," it took only casual peering into the lives of a bunch of fourteen-year-old girls before I starting feeling the guilts. "But I'm only reading it for the articles!" I protested to furrowed brows walking by. Then I got to the "Old Enough" photo essay ("Barely Legal", anyone?) and my stomach started to turn. And then there she was: Jessica Thompson, aged ten, from Waiuku, with her rouged lips and smouldering eyes not quite hiding the haggard bags already slung beneath her peepers. I am reading a pop culture magazine, and a ten-year-old child is making eyes at me! Aside from the usual cries of "Where are the parents?", Pavement has to be held accountable sooner or later. Naked teenagers preening on all fours and ten-year-old 'it' girls don't even bother to masquerade this as art.
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It seems that pavement have had some ...
It seems that pavement have had some complaints over the issue which isn't surprising.
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from the article in ...
from the article in question...
"Pavement editor Bernard McDonald claims the photographs are "provocative" rather than pornographic..."
...well, there's a surprise.
...and the complaints have been upheld ...
...and the complaints have been upheld by the Censor...
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Chief censor Bill Hastings has conceded that Pavement had a "prima facie case" to answer over the images in a special teen issue celebrating "Lost Youth". If in breach of the 1993 Films, Videos and Publications Classifications Act, editor Bernard McDonald could be sentenced to three months in prison or fined $10,000.
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I think the people who bought it should ...
I think the people who bought it should be held accountable as well.
//Amanda Betts of Red Eleven, the ...
//Amanda Betts of Red Eleven, the agency that represents Jessica, said she was "absolutely shocked" to hear the photographs were the subject of a formal complaint. Red lipstick didn't automatically transform a child into a sexual object, she said.
aaahhhh... Does anyone the representation of red lipstick?
Its origin is in body language -
It basically represents a woman as being sexually stimulated and ready for sex.
ya know...i didn't think much of the ...
ya know...i didn't think much of the girl with the lipstick, pavement has done much worse over the years. young naked girl in the bathtub covered in coffee? Schoolgirl on the bed pulling her skirt up showing off her undies?
I just thought the whole magzine was perhaps the worst piece of published media since the beginning of time. I am embarrased that i was involved (taking one photo) with that issue. The selection of youth they chose to profile were boring and uninspirational and a poor reflection on the diverse range of cultures and exciting young people really doing things in NZ. A boring magazine targeted at youth, hoping that other young people would read it....is it meant to inspire? Emo kids who like going to the movies? is that meant to inspire? and then just when you're about to vomit at another uselessly boring teenager, a depraved spread of a girl, "barely legal" jumps out at you. Just another excuse to shove some porn in there.
fucken piece of shit. Pavement often does this...it seems once or twice every year, they like to push the boudaries just to get a little press and "edge points" - but at what cost? Messing with child porn is not something you mess with, i don't care how edgy you think you are being...why don't they be edgy and actually publish a magzine that people will read and care about?
Pavement had finished a feature on camp low hum that they were publishing in the next edition, but i pulled it, couldn't bare to have to ever look at this magzine again.
what a totally pointless piece of trash.
<blink> <i>Pavement had finished a ...
Pavement had finished a feature
on camp low hum that they were publishing
in the next edition, but i pulled it
Did you tell them why?
Does the mag have a large circulation?
// Did you tell them why? yeah, ...
// Did you tell them why?
yeah, totally. Would have been a bit rude not too.
// Does the mag have a large ...
// Does the mag have a large circulation?
dunno...i imagine somwhere between 5000-15000
<blink> <i>yeah, totally. Would have ...
yeah, totally. Would have been a bit rude not too
You rebel, you.
I hope they got all self-righteous about it when you did, and stalked off in a huff. That would be just too good.
Yep, Pavement has been a smutty little ...
Yep, Pavement has been a smutty little shitrag for sometime. Is there a link with that and this Barney person taking over as editor? Or has he always 'edited' the 'magazine'? They seem to think they're really clever for showing as many pink bits per issue as possible. I've never seen or met this editor person, but i have a mental image of a guy behind his desk, with his stained pants around his ankles, looking at photos of VERY young girls he is considering exploiting in the next issue of his jizz-rag, through a magnifying glass he is holding in his left hand. Gree-he-he-easy. He was too much of a wimp to go on "Breakfast" and back himself as well.
Having read all of this thread, I ...
Having read all of this thread, I can't understand how ... if what your all saying is correct ... that this magazine ever got or gets published .. it sounds like kiddie soft porn, it should never go to press, and I think people are right to voice concern and call people to account ....
It's not all bad in Pavement: Did ...
It's not all bad in Pavement:
Did anyone notice the review of the Black Seeds new album in the new edition?
They review Black Seeds In ...
They review Black Seeds In Pavement...
It's worse than I thought
Was it good or bad? It doesn't really ...
Was it good or bad?
It doesn't really matter though, If it was a good review one camp will slag it, If it was bad the other camp will slag it...
//It's worse than you thought do you ...
//It's worse than you thought
do you mean the album or the review?
was the review good or bad?
It made a fairly valid assessment, but for Black Seeds diehards it won't quite have analysed the songs to the depth they may otherwise expect, I'd say.
oh sorry Golem, I misread your ...
oh sorry Golem, I misread your comment.
Well they didn't quite review the Black Seeds album so much as dismiss it like garnish in one succint sentence.
Still, I bet Rip It Up ran a glowing review so at least the serious music scribes take the Seeds seriously