APRA opinions

Hi. Just joined today. I'm a n00b to the music industry but hopefully will keep going until L337.

I wonder what everyone's opinions of APRA is?

To me they just look like a commie type of record label But I guess I am on the independence buzz atm.

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(awaits christianity's response with ill-disguised mouth-frothing glee)

apra is christian?
christianity is anti-progressive imo.

ha, yeah, i'm regressive.
but of course i'm a member.
APRA is essentially a royalty collection and distribution agency
here's what we do:
we collect the money from the radio, tvs, retail outlets etc, and give it to you, except if it's student radio you're getting played on, then we'll usually just keep it. to be put to better use.
basically you have to get played alot on commercial stations.
cos if you only get played a couple of tmes, it's generally not with our time making small calculations and distributing it. However, it's all good. because the money we don't pay out is spent on other music related projects .
Eg. We publish a thoroughly readable, well written and exquisitely edited magazine called APRAP, whose title, i'm fairly certain, is of the 'pun intended' ilk. ; D
We also (more notably) hold the silver scrolls party and award the best song of the year.
which is excellent for new zealand music awarding excellence in nz music. this provides struggling songsmiths a measuring stick, of sorts. Another plus is that this song is not selected on sales, instead it is chosen on it's musical merits, 'New Zealand's most prestigious song-writing award, has been presented since 1965' Another plus is that if you are maori you have extra chance te win one of our more culturally sensitive awards. so it's completely up-to-date in terms of acknowledging the new zealand's ethnic diversity. I think it's unparalleled and that we SHOULD be encouraging nz music with competitions to guage the best of the best.

music is a competitive industry and i think new zealand has too big an industry for us to overlook some of these artists who are making big impacts both at home and abroad, eg. if you look at the nominees this year you'll find none other than the frontlawn/muttonbirds maestro; Don McGlashan has been nominated twice for the same award (which is pretty cool), so there's no question it's a true mark of prestige to be reaching this echelon. it's important we acknowledge our nation's most gifted musos, and sometimes it feels that sales and other awards such as the Tuis or the b-nets just don't cover the juggernaut that the nzmusic industry has become since the inception of nz on air. So i think it's great that the unclaimed royalties (dont ask me why they're unclaimed) are being put to such good use.

if you have any further questions, don't hesitate to contact us at APRA.co.nz

and my, don't we work hard into the night

Why yes you do .. :-) nice explanation mate ..

thanks wainuiomata, btw lovely part of the country. oh and here's a link from this site regarding said awards;

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Some good talent there, It makes me happy to think that there's always been an NZ music scene as such, and it's getting stronger as the years tick by I think, we've always had world class acts but they, I think for the most part, all had to get fame and recognition from over seas before anything happens at home, I think NZ music is looking in more and finding the gems in their own back yard .. maybe even giving them more of a polish before sending forth to the rest of the world. .. it's nice they're recognised by award's like the APRA silver scrolls and tuis .. man I'm not the one up at 4 in the morning I hope that makes sense .. maybe I need my rum and coke now .. :-)

Does sound tempting. But if you are signed to APRA, that means all of your royalties are going through a "middleman" so to speak? And also, I heard that once you sign up, you can't "sign down" or something? (I'm a suspicious bastard.)

As far as the whole national pride jazz, it's now cool to think on a global scale imo. With the net, this is all good I reckon.

// that means all of your royalties are going through a "middleman" so to speak?

well, yeah - but are you going to go around all the radio stations, pubs, clubs, tv broadcasters (both in NZ and overseas), and personally hit them up for your share of royalties?

the chinese communist party recently announced that they're gonna be collecting revenue from kareoke places (which would be huge for john denver), and yet interestingly enough the nz APRA website has just been banned in china. only nz music i've seen heard are che fu 'fade away', and a cover of 'don't dream it's over', also one of my students had a datsun's cd

i guess i'm not a trained debt collector.
i dunno. like i say i'm on the independant buzz but i guess if -all- they will ever be is a service to help in royalty collection, then that's fine by me.
with membership though, can you quit? i seem to recall someone saying something about it being a "life" membership or something.

it's free to join, hence the lifetime membership, as there's really no overheads involved, so there's equally no point in ever taking yourself out of their database. Why deny yourself potential royalty payments?

But, I'd be pretty sure they'd remove you if you asked.

// if -all- they will ever be is a service to help in royalty collection, then that's fine by me.

they also offer pretty good advice to artists regarding copyright, publishing and the like. And if you're a good songwriter, they might even throw a silver scroll your way.

// if -all- they will ever be is a service to help in royalty collection, then that's fine by me.

As far as I can recall Noizy, that silver scroll also comes with a cash prize too...which can come in handy when recording your next DIY opus...

APRA also had another trick up their sleeve: they once compiled a CD (which is what record labels do) called Thirty Top NZ Songs, as voted by their songwriter members, and that compilation was given away to happy guests at the Silver Scrolls that one time. And then the idea was given to an actual record company, who was able to successfully sell the compilation to the public as Nature's Best, which then expanded out to 3 compilations of the Top 100 songs, and a DVD of the Top 60 videos, and then another comp five years later called More Nature and who knows what the next one is going to be called? Anyway, they were fantastically successful and all(?) the money went back to APRA to be distributed to all the songwriters. In my view, that was/is a brilliant way of generating more income for thier represented artists.

Oh, look at that. Jakob's new album is out next week.

with regards to APRA I've got nothing but praise for them. they do a fantastic job collecting royalties and are constantly battling away for the songwriter in what seems to me an era that threatens the concept of intellectual property. In the couple of times in the past I've needed their help they have been obliging, the one time I've had someone put a claim on the royalties to one of my songs (a former band member who will remain nameless) they were awesome in how quick they got things cleared up...

While theoretically I suppose you could try to collect your own royalties you would most likely run into trouble anywhere you tried it.... any place you may collect royalties from will tell yo they pay their APRA licence and if you want the money join the club.... if you wanna play debt collector though please read section 23 of the fair trade act 1986 thoroughly first, it will advise you how to go about it and not incur massive fines (up to $100,000 for the company and $10,000 for the collector) by not stepping out of line... and good luck.
In summary APRA rocks.

23. Harassment and coercion
No person shall use physical force or harassment or coercion in connection with the supply or possible supply of goods or services or the payment for goods or services.

Reminds me of the episode of the Young Ones where Neil quotes a section of the People's Charter at Mike to get him to work, but...
Mike: "Yeah, Clause 83..."
Neil: "'Except for Mike'. Oh, sorry."

Hmm Iwould praise them if they would bloody let me join....I have applied twice and i have never heard anything back...i tried two separate addresses.."I wrote the address perfect"...haha but yeah the idea sounds like a no brainer if we could just join.

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Yeah i have filled that out twice now...and used different addresses each time..still nothing

have you checked the email addresses of other family members?

heh.....very good heather.....

that was a regretful choice of words

OOooooOOoo

I meant Postal Address.I filled the form out correctly, and was still waiting to hear from Apra.When i didnt hear from them the first time, i used a different address.

APRA are bloody tops. Every year they send me a cheque. I don't know who the hell would be playing my music but they give me money so I don't mind. Plus I get a 10% discount at Music Works stores

//Plus I get a 10% discount at Music Works stores

You clearly haven't been to the Porirua one, whenever I produce my card there they claim to know nothing about it and charge me full price for my strings (which are the only thing worth buying there).

Porirua? Is that in West Auckland somewhere?

Nah, It's somewhere near Taupo.

Oh, ROTORUA !

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