nz music month in lebanon

yeah they have it there too.

this map brings some reality to the news.

this is a disgrace!
all in 'self defence' - yeah right.

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surely you could find a better source than rense?

but yeah, situation is pretty heinous.

trillion, maybe you could tag-team in for me over at Sir Humphrey's? I've just about done my dash...

http://www.sirhumphreys.com/al/2006/aug/02/hezbollah_couldnt_wish_for_a_...
http://www.sirhumphreys.com/al/2006/aug/01/qana_photos_and_video
http://www.sirhumphreys.com/andrei/2006/jul/31/the_hatuel_girls
http://www.sirhumphreys.com/al/2006/jul/30/israel_suspending_airstrikes

i'll tell you what's a disgrace, all the Middle Eastern nations attacking Israel first. none of this would be happening if not for that verse in the Koran which says all non-Muslims must either be converted or destroyed. all this crap about non-proportionate response - what the heck are you suppose to do when other countries keep attacking you? if rockets were fired into Wellington every week from say the Pacific Islands what are you meant to do? what would be a proportionate response if the terrorists were amongst the civillians? do you just sit back and let them keep shooting our residential areas because they can't accept our "religion" and don't think we have a right to be alive?

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yeah, you don't actually understand the situation do you!?

has nothing to do with hezbollah. they are just a scapegoat.

it's also got nothing to do with the bible.

do a bit more research - and maybe try to understand the history.

the modern isreal was stolen. 95% of Jews who moved into the New Isreal were
not even traditionally or originally from there. they were mainly spanish/portugese Jews.
to Semetic/Arab Jews.

imagine it like this: white NZ and aussie poeple who decend from early settlers are expelled from NZ. America says - well. were gonna have to send them all somewhere... . America has been wanting to get thier mits on valuable english lasnd for many years now and see this as an opportunity to get involved, so America go in - blow a few things up and then hand a new state over to the NZ and Aussie people, but... only if they can be involved in it. help out. arm/train armys etc..
do you think the current english people who got forced from thier farms/towns/citys are going to get on with the new settlers? probably not... here's where your problem begins.

america want to own the middle east. obvious by the total blunders in the speeches of the polititians. 'con-the media rice: talks about a NEW middle east.

so - see Hezbollah as a group/gang set up to protect the people. they are the mongrel mob turned good. but the Isreal/american govt.s dont want strong groups who can rise up against the thier wrong doings. they want submissive easily controlled robots who do as they say.

rebel heart, you are one of those robots.

Well, RH's question over what to do with Rocket attacks on Metropolitian areas is still valid.
how do you respond to people who claim you have no right to exist?

Hezb is not good guys. That there popularity is directly attributable to past Israeli atrocites notwithstanding.

Condi's "slip-up". yeah had a good laugh over that one. which is scant consolation during this whole sordid mess.

so whats the fix? we get a settlement when one side is obliterated? that appears to be Israel's goal, and Hezb stated aim, so some common ground needs to be found quick, cos this one policy (Violence) sure isn't working.

// if rockets were fired into Wellington every week
// from say the Pacific Islands what are you meant to do?

oh oh - I've got a silly analogy too!!

let's say, after WWII, the USA and UK decided Maori - who had served so well as military cannon fodder throughout the campaign - deserved to get a hunk of their traditional homelands given back to them.

So Maori are gifted Canterbury, which becomes an independent Maori state.

Over the next fifty years, with backing from the USA, this new Maori state alternately invades and/or occupies Nelson, Marlborough and Otago, taking over territories that had nothing to do with the original partitioning.

Now, if you were an inhabitant of Nelson, Marlborough or Otago, might you not feel slightly aggrieved at the behaviour of this new neighbour?

hey that's a good one!

way better than mine.
excellent.

and so did the peace loving people of nelson invite the mongrel mob to help protect thier border?

// and so did the peace loving people of nelson
// invite the mongrel mob to help protect thier border?

I think a faction of Hell's Angels with white supremacist leanings would fit the analogy better.

The Mongrel Mob would be a fanatical and extremist sub-group within the Maori state. Much as many of the extremist orthodox Jews are involved in the occupied territories 're-settlements' in the Middle East, the Mongrel Mob would likewise be sent into the more dangerous territories as a bridgehead for further territorial takeovers.

/that verse in the Koran which says all non-Muslims must either be converted or destroyed.

Depends which reprint of the Koran you read- or more importantly, who distributes it.

i have no answer for 'what if rockets were fired into wellington' ??

all I know is that things happen for a reason.
someone doesnt just fire a rocket/bomb cos they are having a fun day and want to see it explode.
the person who knows he is going to kill someone has been pushed to the edge and they see no way out.

also we shouldnt aways believe the media. do you even know who fired the first missile?
considering that most of the media is filtered thru US i would be sceptical on any truths they promote.

An immediate ceasefire, a simple unconditional peace treaty completely renouncing violence from all sides, multinational peacekeeping & humanitarian aid force implimented with a clear & effective mandate, warcrime investigations and trials on both sides, compensation/aid awarded generously and unreservedly to all affected, not to mention a complete re-think of US foreign policy...

Sounds a little too much like compromise, dunnit? Or perhaps a little too responsible?

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something you may be interested in Rebelheart and Mattissyahu !!

Israel responded to an unprovoked attack by Hizbullah, right? Wrong

article here:

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Remember my painfully right-wing boss? On Israel's military dominance over Lebanon, today he said 'might is right'. In other words, 'right' and 'wrong' are defined by how well armed you are. The people with the biggest guns don't make mistakes. I avoided asking him how he came to be so completely beligerent. I don't even want to know.

i'm guessing he looked out his window, noticed that new zealand is no longer ruled by the maori.

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"Those falling between youth and adult limits will be told to behave themselves during the night."

thats some hard line justice.

sam bratton you are an absolute twat.

"I am stoked my dad is coming down from Auckland  it is good for me to have a few beers with him, but I will not be able to now."

"Lots of people have a few drinks before, but when they arrive at the ball they will have to speak into this stupid little machine." //

please Mr Bratton don't let your son touch any liquor until:
1.he acquires some semblance of a vocabulary.
2. you've educated him exactly how much he can drink to stay below the adult drinking limit

For sheer lunacy try Michael Bassett's effort in Tuesday's Chch Press.
that this man was an elected representitive of this country is, at best, worrisome.