Jesus Crux is back

hey folks, hope you're all well... after much listening to Sara Groves i've decided i am still gonna try become a famous Christian musician, i had a car accident a few months ago (thanks for those who were concerned) and it made me think about whether i had been treating the people that i know right or if i was too caught up in having big dreams instead, 'cos what you wanna do with your life does kinda influence who you stay close to and who you grow apart from. anyhow, i been spending some time with them and doing the stuff they like but realised it's not "big" enough for me... i wanna do big things like move to Auckland and know more people and be on stage and preach to heaps of people... well anyway you didn't have to read that but in case anyone is wondering why i've decided to become a musician again. listening to Sara Groves' songs have also made me find music meaningful again too, that there's something more special out there than all those songs you hear on C4 these days about lust and anger and all that, well that's my opinion

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For a second I actually thought that Jesus Crux was back!

Don't scare me like that!

I even scared myself

"I wanna do big things like move to Auckland and know more people and be on stage and preach to heaps of people"

You know what, the Auckland music scene is crying out for this.

How will you know when you are famous?

You need a mum like Lings mum from Gilmore girls. She would sort you out a tour of all the churches.

a million album sales is the standard i'll set to achieve

Whats your business plan?

Her name is Lane, not Ling.

Gilmore Girls for life!

a million - don't be rediculous!!!
if you gonna go for a million then make it 2 million.

Is it really Lane? for some reason I always hear ling. Either way it is all good.

IMDB thinks so,
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0012962/

as does the gilmore girls website.

http://www2.warnerbros.com/gilmoregirls/ ]

you are the most self-UNaware person I have ever heard. Just listen to yourself, re-read your posts and tell us what you think. Your attitude to music sux, its just a medium to butcher so you can get you beliefs across.

man you're an idiot, so when you talk to gansta rappers do you tell them their attitude to music sucks its just a medium for them to get their ghetto street beliefs across, or pretty much any "concept" artist that has a theme or idea behind their music. dumbass. and by the way yeah i do actually think music is subordinate to Christianity, as with most Christian musicians, if you walk into a Church and ask the worship band if it's about the music or about Jesus

From Reuters:

A man shouting that God would keep him safe was mauled to death by a lioness in Kiev zoo after he crept into the animal's enclosure, a zoo official said on Monday.

"The man shouted 'God will save me, if he exists', lowered himself by a rope into the enclosure, took his shoes off and went up to the lions," the official said.

"A lioness went straight for him, knocked him down and severed his carotid artery."

Well, that takes care of that burning question.

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well that just shows not only his but also your ignorance, claiming what God will and won't do depends on what we want to do. that's as stupid as saying if you commit a crime God will undo it, but why would He want you to commit that crime in the first place?

and plus just because that man was a Christian doesn't say anything. it's like saying all Catholics are paedophiles because some of their priests raped little boys, yet when a non-Christian rapes a little boy that doesn't mean all non-Christians are paedophiles. if a non-Christian man went into a lion's den (eg. that news item about the cleaner entering when he thought the lions had been fed that morning but they attacked him, it was quite recent) that doesn't mean all non-Christians or that non-Christianity itself believes that all lions have already been fed before you go into a lion's cage when they in fact haven't

Did you know Auckland Zoo has a lion's den? Maybe you could prove a point for all of us - I have a sneaking suspicion God hates Jesus Crux, but I invite you to prove me wrong.

Can we not get into this horrible cycle again?

Now JC has a right to his religion, but he should also respect most of the members here in that we don't really want to keep hearing about it. As he said, music is not as important as his religion while many here would say their music is more important that most things. The other thing that seems to bug people here is that JC only seems to post topics and never gets involved in anyone elses topics. From my point of view this makes JC look really self centred and uninterested in what other people have to say. The result is JC comes accross as someone that wants everyone to help him out and be all excited about it, without giving anything back or doing any of the hard work himself (such as a simple google search).

why should i post in other peoples' topics? i'll only post in other peoples' topics if i'm interested in them. and i post whatever i want, if you don't like it i don't actually care

True dude. Just calling it as I see it - just in case your wondering why you often get almost zero support and your not well liked and whenever you say something a lot of people get aggressive.

But if you like that kind of thing that's cool and can handle all the flak then that is fine.
I think that the bickering is enjoyable sometimes but I am finding it is getting a little old. It always ends up with:

A - JC posts that he wants something
B - someone tells him to fuck off and get a life or that his religion stinks
C- JC replies that his religion and faith are not like that at all
B
then C
then B
and so on

//and by the way yeah i do actually think music is subordinate to Christianity//

well what's the point of it then, why not just preach? The irony is, you'll be using (ripping off) chord progressions and song structures written by secular musicians. The medium you're going to use to tell everyone the truth, it's reliant on the creativity of non-christians, or at least people who didn't have a religiouse message in mind when wrote music.

I thought most Christian musicians would say that there music is an expression of god. I thought you would see music as god talking through the musician. How can that be subordinate to god? It would be like saying prayer is subordinate to god, or that the words in the bible are subordinate to god.
If god is not talking through you and out through your music then how will it touch people spiritually?

who wants to tag in next?

NZMWF - NZ Music Wrestling Federation

Yeah I'll tag in on this point:

//and i post whatever i want, if you don't like it i don't actually care

Um, hi, there's this thing, and it's called a community. I'm not sure if you've ever heard of this notion before, and you certainly give the impression that you're lacking in social graces, so I'll give you a brief how-to on being a member of a community:

Post something that you think others may have opinions about, so that they can either agree, or disagree, and the issue at hand can be discussed. Take the time to listen to what other people are saying, and think about whether or not you agree or disagree. If you like what somone has said, tell them. If you don't like what they've said, explain why not. Don't post the same thing over and over again. If you feel that you're not adding anything new, then don't say anything at all. If you're going to insult others, make sure that you a) have some basis for doing so and b) make sure it'll make others laugh. Please feel free to add in more tips, anyone else.

*Tag*

There's this thing that happens in the music industry, in business in general, and funnily enough in life.

Here's how it works : Imagine one person who goes out of their way to listen to others, get to know them, always have a smile and a "how's it going?" for them, be happy to just listen to their opinions and to be someone that everyone likes having around. This person isn't arrogant or rude: he/she knows that nobody wins when one person holds themself up as being better than other people. Rather, the real winners in life are those that help others to be who they want to be and do what they want to do. This person will never have a problem finding a place to live, a job, a band, money, happiness, friends, etc etc, because people love having him/her around. It is a great thing to be this person, and all it took was a little bit of effort to be a nice person.

Now imagine a person who is the opposite. They talk about themselves incessantly, tell others they are wrong/stupid/whatever in having a lifestyle that differs from their own, will not listen to others' opinions, and will loudly trumpet anything and everything that they do so others can't help but be up to date on the minutiae of this person's life.
This person doesn't care if you don't like them or their opinions, or if you like them or not: He/she will still insist on repeating themselves ad infinitum in the hope that their message will eventually get through.
The reality is, though, that even if this person had a great argument, they've annoyed everyone else to such an extent that no matter what they say or do, people just do not want to hear. This goes for getting a gig, a job, a girlfriend, friends, and all that other great stuff. No matter how good this person's CV, employers will go OUT OF THEIR WAY to avoid having someone like this in their office. They will employ a less technically skilled person with great people skills over a highly trained person with bad people skills, every time.

Usually, people fall somewhere between these two people, but in some cases, you come across the extremes. I hope you got something out of that, JC, and that maybe it will explain some of the other things that have happened in your life so far.

I highly recommend the book "How To Win Friends And Influence People" by Dale Carnegie, one of the most celebrated business books of the 20th century, which elaborates extensively on this idea. The title put me off reading it for a long time, as I thought it was about manipulating people, but it's actually about how to be the nicest person you can be - do that and the other stuff takes care of itself.

//Post something that you think others may have opinions about, so that they can either agree, or disagree, and the issue at hand can be discussed. Take the time to listen to what other people are saying, and think about whether or not you agree or disagree.//

Jesuscrux is not interested in worldy conversations. he is a point of light in the dark, planting the seed of truth, he will not lower himself to indulge in idle chat with non-believers, nor take part in their secular 'community'.

> True dude. Just calling it as I see it - just in case your wondering why you often get almost zero support and your not well liked and whenever you say something a lot of people get aggressive.

well the purpose of this post was just so people don't later ask, i thought you said you weren't gonna try be a musician anymore? i wasn't expecting any replies

> well what's the point of it then, why not just preach? The irony is, you'll be using (ripping off) chord progressions and song structures written by secular musicians. The medium you're going to use to tell everyone the truth, it's reliant on the creativity of non-christians, or at least people who didn't have a religiouse message in mind when wrote music.

that just makes absolutely no sense. if a Christian decides to use a Church built by some non-Christian company, how's that ironic? plus (not that it's even relevant to link where you learn your music from and what those artists had in mind) all my musical training has been from a classical background and most of those composers were religious people. are you saying someone who practices how to play the piano by learning Mozart songs and then writes his own songs on the piano about something different is somehow ironic?

> I thought most Christian musicians would say that there music is an expression of god. I thought you would see music as god talking through the musician. How can that be subordinate to god? It would be like saying prayer is subordinate to god, or that the words in the bible are subordinate to god.
If god is not talking through you and out through your music then how will it touch people spiritually?

well i don't agree with that, i think as a human i can only try to say what i think God is about. if God spoke through me then i'd be Jesus, and to answer your question the aim is to have it touch people like Sara Groves' songs touch me, reminding me of things that have happened in my life and how it relates to Christianity in lyrics such as (what i'm listening to right now)

i can't remember a trial or a pain
He did not recycle to bring me gain
i can't remember a single regret
in serving God only and trusting His hand

> Um, hi, there's this thing, and it's called a community. I'm not sure if you've ever heard of this notion before, and you certainly give the impression that you're lacking in social graces, so I'll give you a brief how-to on being a member of a community: Post something that you think others may have opinions about, so that they can either agree, or disagree, and the issue at hand can be discussed. Take the time to listen to what other people are saying, and think about whether or not you agree or disagree. If you like what somone has said, tell them. If you don't like what they've said, explain why not. Don't post the same thing over and over again. If you feel that you're not adding anything new, then don't say anything at all. If you're going to insult others, make sure that you a) have some basis for doing so and b) make sure it'll make others laugh. Please feel free to add in more tips, anyone else.

well that's what i do, reply to people when they say things (usually things i disagree with) and explain why i disagree with them

> I hope you got something out of that, JC

cool post : )

> Jesuscrux is not interested in worldy conversations. he is a point of light in the dark, planting the seed of truth, he will not lower himself to indulge in idle chat with non-believers, nor take part in their secular 'community'.

man aren't you brilliant at judging people and creating ignorant prejudices about them. i'm not gonna get into a conversation if i have nothing to add to them. i mean i just looked as your last few comments to other peoples' topics and you certainly say things that aren't necessary

"I recommend a change in music taste" to a person who was interested in finding bands who sounded like Death in Las Vegas and Portishead

"I thought this topic would be about something other than it is" for a post asking about your views on killing meat for food and fun

"do you really care?" to someone raising the issue about how female government department officials at state functions have to sit at the back during welcoming ceremonies in order to appease Maori culture

not to mention all your replies to my topics

WORDS!!! wwughgghhrrrllllhhwwrghwords...

Does the Gandhi approach work on the internet?

Be the change you want to see in the forums...?

How does one go about "being the change"?I am not that familiar with ghandi's ideas.

I think all he was saying was don't preach, do stuff. Look after your own shit, all of that.

So basically, instead of arguing with people who don't seem to be able to engage with how I think at all, I either start topics about things I do like or (better) don't post at all until I do have something I can engage with...

Or something? I dunno. Sometimes the slagging is funny, I guess.

//I think all he was saying was don't preach, do stuff. Look after your own shit, all of that.

Yeah, but where's the fun hip op crazy hooray in that though?

Oh, I know, I think I'm just drawing my "this gets boring eventually" line on a different patch of the beach...

Would me not voting becasue I disagree with the whole election system be considered "being the change?"

//Would me not voting becasue I disagree with the whole election system be considered "being the change?"

No. Although it makes me want to punch you in the face, and that's a nice change of target for me.

How do you do italics? Maybe it will work in this post....

Ok, now I get it.