Which record label is footing the bill for the album this year? They've already used up two majors who have learnt their lesson. Who's the sucker this time?
Could you tell me what lesson the labels learnt please? Were the albums released by the winners not that great? Did they not sell so well? Were they earth-shatteringly bad for some reason? Did the general populace burn copies of those albums on ceremonial bonfires in the middle of the main street? Call me a weirdo if you must, but I'm in the dark on this one - you see, with the crazy wacky radio stations I listen to, the great but crazy wacky local music telly channel I watch (on occasion - appointment viewing, ho ho), the dour serious earnest music magazines I read, and the exciting fresh new podcasts I download, there has been little to no coverage of this thing. I feel like I have missed something here, or that some crazy phenomenon has completely passed me by. Could this be true? Should I even care? Why am I even here, in this topic forum? Who are you anyway, and what have you done with the subjective plane of existence where everything is relative to its own unique position in my own mind? What is Woodstock and why is it three freaking hours long, man?
formats so viable that they have thrown in a bunch of cash and car to the prize bundle... that'll attract the talent... obviously the Idol organisers realise the promise of a short term recording contract ain't enough as the whole country has seen
I want to see Jeremy Clarkson on the judging panel please.
My ultimate NZ idol judging panel would be-
Jeremy Clarkson
Tyler Durden
Stewie from Family Guy
Francoise Hardy (she would give her opinions in French only of coursem but mostly she'd just sit there and look awesome)
And for the token NZ 'celebrity' I'd have...John Bach. Is he still alive?
This year the show seems highly focused on being an entertaining TV show, with the grand prize of $50,000 and a car being more thrilling than the record contract. We know now that winning NZ Idol did not make Ben Lummis and Rosita Vai huge, successful pop stars, so the promise of a record contract doesn't quite have the same clout that it once had.
As someone at Idolblog pointed out, with $50,000 a serious singer could record their own album their own way rather than be at the mercy of the traditional quickly produced Idol winner's CD.
It's also interesting that judging positions of "the blunt music executive" and "the veteran pop singer lady" are this year being filled by a radio announcer and a barely known ex-reality TV star.
The radio announcer is especially awesome. He admits freely that he doesn't know a thing about music, "but I know what works". Yeah, great, you know that if you keep playing what you're told to play, the ads keep getting sold. You're a broadcasting genius.
sad how we pay for this crap aye....o wait did any1 knw tht these shows are funded by tax payer money. same as dancing wit the stars. funny how the charitys could o got more money from the amount spent on making the show than from the actual money made from voting....thts one problem with TVNZ been owned by the government.
i laugh at the pple who audition for these shows, they are such hyped up & over confident, ignorent, naive fools.
Did the last NZ Idol even release an album? I can't even remember her name...shows how great an idol she was.
I mean how lame is that, at least people still remember True Bliss however awful their music was they are still around.
But if youo think about it the judges are not great, you have good ole Frankie who had a single what like 40 years ago or some shit who will be the neutral judge, Ian fucken stables who is IMO an average radio announcer who no doubt will be the mean asshole judge, and Megan Alatini a second rate "pop star" ( and I use that term very loosely) who will be the nice supportive judge.
Might as well nick name it Titanic idol becuase it is only going to sink.
//Might as well nick name it Titanic idol becuase it is only going to sink
"You think that getting in new staff is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic? That's not a fair comparison to make. We're soaring! If anything, it's like rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenberg!"
*swoon*
Also Dan, people didn't go see Evil Kenievel because they wanted to see him jump the cars. They wanted to see him crash and burn (sorry, I didn't mean to remind you all of the dirty man hands of L** S*** again, honest...)
// Did the last NZ Idol even release an album?
// I can't even remember her name...shows how great an idol she was.
Rosita Vai? Her album came out last year, and despite being the usual "post-awards rush-job just so they could get some product on the shelves", wasn't a total disaster. Didn't go Gold though (despite being optimistically entitled 'Golden'). Probably a few burns of it floating around the place though, eh?
She was a finalist in the recent Pacific Music Awards, so is obviously still chugging along. The good thing about Rosita is that she's obviously pretty good at doing the R&B soul girl thing, so she's actually got a chance of carving out a niche for herself in that market, as opposed to becoming a true 'pop' idol, which NZers have never been too good at.
The thing is, as has been alluded to earlier, it's not about the winner - it's about the ratings, and the ratings are still good enough to warrant another show. The $50k prize package and the rest would probably be covered by the first show's advertising revenue, after which it's all icing on the cake for the makers of the show.
//people didn't go see Evil Kenievel because they wanted to see him jump the cars. They wanted to see him crash and burn (sorry, I didn't mean to remind you all of the dirty man hands of L** S*** again, honest...)
This is true about Evil Kenievel, uggghhhh, the one we do not speak of was on ZM the other day talking some shit about something, her voice is annoying.
"The thing is, as has been alluded to earlier, it's not about the winner - it's about the ratings, and the ratings are still good enough to warrant another show"
Exactly. So who the hell is watching this then???
Turn this shit off and it will go away.
Don't watch it and then moan about it.
I can understand people being mildly curious during the initial auditions when Royce from Botany Downs turns up to sing a horrendously inappropriate, and out of tune, Foo Fighters song, but once it gets all 'serious' and down to the final 20....................
How many verisons of that Alicia Keys song can anybody sit through and remain objective about a performance.
Fooking embarassing.
// Exactly. So who the hell is watching this then???
// Turn this shit off and it will go away.
man, TVNZ could put any old shit on during primetime (and, let's face it, they often do), and a good proportion of the population will tune in because that's what's on.
Crumbs, that's pretty much what I was thinking, but couldn't quite find the words for in the comment up above. I have this other thing called "books and reading" that sees me right for entertainment, and lo and behold there was another thing on this week, called a "band practice". If that wasn't enough, there was also a "mixtape" to muck aboot with, and another thing called the "internet" - that thing is huge, I tell you! It could really take off in the years to come. Anyhoo, what with all this other activity, I could care less about what is on the telly. Except 'Lost'. Phew, Lost eh? That's a real tricky one to get around, that is.
Well I'm no Rosita Lummis or whatever but $50,000 and a (very gay) car? I'm giving serious thought to entering. I really am. I mean, that's like working 40 hours a week, for a year. Maybe NZM could sponsor me to fly the flag.
At the end of the day talent quests have been around, and will continue to be around, forever. They come in different guises but will always be appealing to a large chunk of populace. The only difference here is "Idol" is franchised.....and accordingly it has enough punch (read $$) behind it to make it seep into the consciousness of most. If they weren't so intent on "injecting" (read: fisting) the winner(s) into the music industry so transparently...like performing surgery without a curtain...then it wouldnt be so offensive.
I think the more about prizes,and the less about recording careers, it gets..the better it will be/
Ruben Studdard has sold over 2 million CDs since US Idol - and he's the fourth most sucessful idol from that land
In large countries the concept works and results can be vast, in a tiny nation like ours its simply reality TV with the resulting non careers for the winners
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Which record label is footing the bill ...
Which record label is footing the bill for the album this year? They've already used up two majors who have learnt their lesson. Who's the sucker this time?
She'll Be Right Records put an offer ...
She'll Be Right Records put an offer in but the organisers thought it was too unproffesional recording vocals in a wardrobe. maybe next time huh!
Could you tell me what lesson the ...
Could you tell me what lesson the labels learnt please? Were the albums released by the winners not that great? Did they not sell so well? Were they earth-shatteringly bad for some reason? Did the general populace burn copies of those albums on ceremonial bonfires in the middle of the main street? Call me a weirdo if you must, but I'm in the dark on this one - you see, with the crazy wacky radio stations I listen to, the great but crazy wacky local music telly channel I watch (on occasion - appointment viewing, ho ho), the dour serious earnest music magazines I read, and the exciting fresh new podcasts I download, there has been little to no coverage of this thing. I feel like I have missed something here, or that some crazy phenomenon has completely passed me by. Could this be true? Should I even care? Why am I even here, in this topic forum? Who are you anyway, and what have you done with the subjective plane of existence where everything is relative to its own unique position in my own mind? What is Woodstock and why is it three freaking hours long, man?
*applause*...
*applause*
formats so viable that they have thrown ...
formats so viable that they have thrown in a bunch of cash and car to the prize bundle... that'll attract the talent... obviously the Idol organisers realise the promise of a short term recording contract ain't enough as the whole country has seen
How bout them judges huh...
true... $50k + a car. not too shabby....
true... $50k + a car. not too shabby.
I want to see Jeremy Clarkson on the ...
I want to see Jeremy Clarkson on the judging panel please.
My ultimate NZ idol judging panel would be-
Jeremy Clarkson
Tyler Durden
Stewie from Family Guy
Francoise Hardy (she would give her opinions in French only of coursem but mostly she'd just sit there and look awesome)
And for the token NZ 'celebrity' I'd have...John Bach. Is he still alive?
i reckon ive got the chops to win this ...
i reckon ive got the chops to win this thing - i've even done karaoke with a bunch of gay guys in los angeles...
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This year the show seems highly focused ...
This year the show seems highly focused on being an entertaining TV show, with the grand prize of $50,000 and a car being more thrilling than the record contract. We know now that winning NZ Idol did not make Ben Lummis and Rosita Vai huge, successful pop stars, so the promise of a record contract doesn't quite have the same clout that it once had.
As someone at Idolblog pointed out, with $50,000 a serious singer could record their own album their own way rather than be at the mercy of the traditional quickly produced Idol winner's CD.
It's also interesting that judging positions of "the blunt music executive" and "the veteran pop singer lady" are this year being filled by a radio announcer and a barely known ex-reality TV star.
I've got a weird feeling about Idol this year.
The radio announcer is especially ...
The radio announcer is especially awesome. He admits freely that he doesn't know a thing about music, "but I know what works". Yeah, great, you know that if you keep playing what you're told to play, the ads keep getting sold. You're a broadcasting genius.
// a barely known ex-reality TV ...
// a barely known ex-reality TV star.
that is weird. So, 'win this show, and you could go on to be a judge for this show!'
I suppose that works, on some strange level.
//that is weird. So, 'win this show, ...
//that is weird. So, 'win this show, and you could go on to be a judge for this show!'
Only if you marry an ex all black. After all, we all know that all NZers are mad for rugby.
sad how we pay for this crap aye....o ...
sad how we pay for this crap aye....o wait did any1 knw tht these shows are funded by tax payer money. same as dancing wit the stars. funny how the charitys could o got more money from the amount spent on making the show than from the actual money made from voting....thts one problem with TVNZ been owned by the government.
i laugh at the pple who audition for these shows, they are such hyped up & over confident, ignorent, naive fools.
// o wait did any1 knw tht these shows ...
// o wait did any1 knw tht these shows are funded by tax payer money
indeed we do...
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http://www.nzmusic.com/topic.cfm?i=8886
Did the last NZ Idol even release an ...
Did the last NZ Idol even release an album? I can't even remember her name...shows how great an idol she was.
I mean how lame is that, at least people still remember True Bliss however awful their music was they are still around.
But if youo think about it the judges are not great, you have good ole Frankie who had a single what like 40 years ago or some shit who will be the neutral judge, Ian fucken stables who is IMO an average radio announcer who no doubt will be the mean asshole judge, and Megan Alatini a second rate "pop star" ( and I use that term very loosely) who will be the nice supportive judge.
Might as well nick name it Titanic idol becuase it is only going to sink.
//Might as well nick name it Titanic ...
//Might as well nick name it Titanic idol becuase it is only going to sink
"You think that getting in new staff is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic? That's not a fair comparison to make. We're soaring! If anything, it's like rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenberg!"
*swoon*
Also Dan, people didn't go see Evil Kenievel because they wanted to see him jump the cars. They wanted to see him crash and burn (sorry, I didn't mean to remind you all of the dirty man hands of L** S*** again, honest...)
// Did the last NZ Idol even release an ...
// Did the last NZ Idol even release an album?
// I can't even remember her name...shows how great an idol she was.
Rosita Vai? Her album came out last year, and despite being the usual "post-awards rush-job just so they could get some product on the shelves", wasn't a total disaster. Didn't go Gold though (despite being optimistically entitled 'Golden'). Probably a few burns of it floating around the place though, eh?
She was a finalist in the recent Pacific Music Awards, so is obviously still chugging along. The good thing about Rosita is that she's obviously pretty good at doing the R&B soul girl thing, so she's actually got a chance of carving out a niche for herself in that market, as opposed to becoming a true 'pop' idol, which NZers have never been too good at.
The thing is, as has been alluded to earlier, it's not about the winner - it's about the ratings, and the ratings are still good enough to warrant another show. The $50k prize package and the rest would probably be covered by the first show's advertising revenue, after which it's all icing on the cake for the makers of the show.
//people didn't go see Evil Kenievel ...
//people didn't go see Evil Kenievel because they wanted to see him jump the cars. They wanted to see him crash and burn (sorry, I didn't mean to remind you all of the dirty man hands of L** S*** again, honest...)
This is true about Evil Kenievel, uggghhhh, the one we do not speak of was on ZM the other day talking some shit about something, her voice is annoying.
"The thing is, as has been alluded to ...
"The thing is, as has been alluded to earlier, it's not about the winner - it's about the ratings, and the ratings are still good enough to warrant another show"
Exactly. So who the hell is watching this then???
Turn this shit off and it will go away.
Don't watch it and then moan about it.
I can understand people being mildly curious during the initial auditions when Royce from Botany Downs turns up to sing a horrendously inappropriate, and out of tune, Foo Fighters song, but once it gets all 'serious' and down to the final 20....................
How many verisons of that Alicia Keys song can anybody sit through and remain objective about a performance.
Fooking embarassing.
// Exactly. So who the hell is watching ...
// Exactly. So who the hell is watching this then???
// Turn this shit off and it will go away.
man, TVNZ could put any old shit on during primetime (and, let's face it, they often do), and a good proportion of the population will tune in because that's what's on.
Kill your television.
Crumbs, that's pretty much what I was ...
Crumbs, that's pretty much what I was thinking, but couldn't quite find the words for in the comment up above. I have this other thing called "books and reading" that sees me right for entertainment, and lo and behold there was another thing on this week, called a "band practice". If that wasn't enough, there was also a "mixtape" to muck aboot with, and another thing called the "internet" - that thing is huge, I tell you! It could really take off in the years to come. Anyhoo, what with all this other activity, I could care less about what is on the telly. Except 'Lost'. Phew, Lost eh? That's a real tricky one to get around, that is.
Well I'm no Rosita Lummis or whatever ...
Well I'm no Rosita Lummis or whatever but $50,000 and a (very gay) car? I'm giving serious thought to entering. I really am. I mean, that's like working 40 hours a week, for a year. Maybe NZM could sponsor me to fly the flag.
If you actually put your ass where your ...
If you actually put your ass where your mouth is, I'll happily stump up for at least ten votes.
i'm seriously tempted to enter just ...
i'm seriously tempted to enter just because of the money and i guess the car too, though i'll sell the car. but don't quote me on that please!
At the end of the day talent quests ...
At the end of the day talent quests have been around, and will continue to be around, forever. They come in different guises but will always be appealing to a large chunk of populace. The only difference here is "Idol" is franchised.....and accordingly it has enough punch (read $$) behind it to make it seep into the consciousness of most. If they weren't so intent on "injecting" (read: fisting) the winner(s) into the music industry so transparently...like performing surgery without a curtain...then it wouldnt be so offensive.
I think the more about prizes,and the less about recording careers, it gets..the better it will be/
At the end of the day, its just a talent quest
So far the only person who actually got ...
So far the only person who actually got famous in any idol program anywhere is "Kelly Clarkson". But she's actually talented!
Ruben Studdard has sold over 2 million ...
Ruben Studdard has sold over 2 million CDs since US Idol - and he's the fourth most sucessful idol from that land
In large countries the concept works and results can be vast, in a tiny nation like ours its simply reality TV with the resulting non careers for the winners
blah blah blah