It must be a slow day for you to be using your two trolls to talk to each other, sir.

// I always envisioned him as this huge, bearded lumberjack-looking guy.
EELS!

I don't think looks matter so much for men outside of mainstream pop. I hereby nominate Franz Ferdinand, who look like the line-up for Beauty and the Geek. Also, Oasis. Also, Jarvis Cocker. Supergrass were the (self-proclaimed, I believe) "world's ugliest band" when they first got big. And one of the Arctic Monkeys has terrible acne scars. Then you've got the hiphop artists like snoop dogg, 50 cent, nelly..

Granted, I can't think of any fugly female musicians, although I always thought PJ Harvey was really really peculiar.

Mind you, I'm of the personal opinion that there aren't that many genuinely ugly people at all - maybe just 5% of the population, if that? Most people that are plain or odd-looking can be transformed with a new haircut, better-suited clothes, and a maybe a couple of lessons in swagger. I wager that's the main difference between any given indie band and your common-or-garden geeky-looking office worker.

Of course, any popular musician over 30 automatically blows your theory, since old people are ugly by definition.

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Hello? Meatloaf?

I think the less physically attractive also have the option of hiding behind a persona/image. I wouldn't particulary call norman cook attractive, but as fatboy slim ...

rope, I like your new 'do, the pigtails are very becoming.

//I don't think looks matter so much for men outside of mainstream pop. I hereby nominate Franz Ferdinand, who look like the line-up for Beauty and the Geek. Also, Oasis. Also, Jarvis Cocker. Supergrass were the (self-proclaimed, I believe) "world's ugliest band" when they first got big. And one of the Arctic Monkeys has terrible acne scars. Then you've got the hiphop artists like snoop dogg, 50 cent, nelly.//

none of the those people/bands you mention are ugly.
We are obviousely on a different page.

Frank Black

I don't have time for this cause I need to start work, but characterful is slightly dorky, perhaps a bit ugly, but not *gross*. I meant just plain gross, unnatrractive. You know what I mean. None of those artists except for perhaps elton and knopfler could be described as that.

I see lots of unnattractive people every day, on the train, on the bus, in the mirror. They could never be 'cool' in any sense of the word, this precluded them from a career in music - in general nobody is going to care about what they feel deep down inside, in song form. I don't think many people would get down to a bald guy with glasses 'rocking out', simply becuae such a person trying to do that would look like a dickhead .....

Perhaps the DJ is an excpetion.

genisis
eminem
chumbawumba
dr dre
stevie wonder
pink floyd
the minutemen
zz top
ray columbus and the invaders
the cranberries
madonna
robert johnson
eric clapton
the spice girls
haley westenra
matty j

//But how many people are really that ugly? Is the ratio of beautiful/normal/characterful/ugly people really any different in the popstar population than the general population?

That is actually quite interesting point. My theory a while ago was:

- often people at high school that didn't fit into a 'teen movie/magazine' image mold in terms of appearance seemed to become interested in alternative activities (often music, art, subcultures etc) and when they became adults (and gained more confidence in their uniqueness) they were more likely to be the musicians and artists celebrated by the boring 'pretty' conservative masses. In other words, the quirky ugly ducklings grew into the characters that became icons.

uglier without glasses??

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//genisis
eminem
chumbawumba
dr dre
stevie wonder
pink floyd
the minutemen
zz top
ray columbus and the invaders
the cranberries
madonna
robert johnson
eric clapton
the spice girls
haley westenra

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none of them are/were truly ugly, not in youth anyway. You only prove that you have very high standards in regards to beauty. (Haley Westenra??)

look at the photos ..... dumbfuck

and add phil collins and the entire cast of def leppard

elvis costello

radiohead

bill haley

rdor.....just give me a yell when i stumble on ur definition,k?

will oldham

shaquille o'neil

*fingers in ears*
eeeeaaaaaaaaa not listening eeeeeaaeeaeaae

aha. the prince approach.

hot =/

Oh yeah, Agnetha called - you left your panties at her house, and she can't mail them back to you cos that would involve leaving the house.