yes that's right. Tom is a liar and Rupert Murdock bought Myspaace in July 05 for $629m.
check out this:
MySpace May Be Satan
Seriously, let’s chat about MySpace. (And no, I don’t mean MY Myspace, I just mean MySpace in general.) Have you noticed how it’s all the sudden everywhere? These things happen fairly regularly… something is introduced, co-opted by a small group, spreads via word-of-mouth, reaches epic proportions, and then, magically and suddenly it seems, it’s everywhere all at once. I saw a MySpace compilation CD in Wal-Mart last week.
And the music aspect is something I want to hit on (in a non-sexual way.) I spent some time reading through their Terms of Service (T.O.S.) a few weeks ago. You know, that big, long list of rules and regulations that you oh-so-carefully labor over before you say “I accept” and start using a website? It started to scare me, and then my friend Charlie posted about it, too, so I thought it might be worthwhile to talk about. Especially the same little nugget Charlie posted on:
By posting Content on any public area of MySpace.com, you automatically grant as well as represent and warrant that you have the right to grant to MySpace.com, an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, fully paid, worldwide license to use, copy, perform, display, and distribute such information and content to MySpace.com and that MySpace.com has the right to prepare derivative works of, or incorporate into other works, such information and content, and to grant and authorize sublicenses of the foregoing. (emphasis mine)
So, in layman’s terms, if you post it on MySpace, they own it. Forever. And you don’t. They can sell it, or do anything else with it, and you’ve given them the right to. Oh, and by the way, if they DO, they get the royalties for it, not you. Your property ceases to be your property according to the MySpace T.O.S.
Granted, if your intellectual property (music, photos, words, etc.) was copyrighted prior to posting on MySpace, you MIGHT have a case, should they ever decide to start enforcing their T.O.S. and using your work for their purposes, but even so… this is scary stuff considering the volume of users who (like most of us) just agree to terms online without knowing what they are.
Suckers. All of us.
and...:
My Space - Owns You?
Written by BossHog
Thursday, 15 December 2005
We rarely post news from blogs, but this one kinda hits home for most visitors to House Of Gigs so I thought it important to get it out there.
Basically, someone went and actually read the Terms Of Service on My Space and learned something very unnerving for artists.... They may very well own any content you post on the site forever.
Would it hold up in court? Ehhh, I am not sure. It could, however, really suck for you if Rupert Murdock (you did know News Corp. owns My Space now, right?) decided to start selling CDs with your content - odds are you would not see any cash from it unless you brought them to court.
I, personally, don’t think that this is actually the plan, but it does point out the need to read and verify everything you sign/use as an artist. As an artist, the only commodity you own is your “rights”, and that needs to always be protected.


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He he, sucked in....
He he, sucked in.
Oops I mean, that's terrible....
Oops I mean, that's terrible.
shit trillion, did you even bother to ...
shit trillion, did you even bother to go to myspace and check the T&C?
" c. By posting any Content to the public areas of the Website, you hereby grant to MySpace.com the non-exclusive, fully paid, worldwide license to use, publicly perform and display such Content on the Website. This license will terminate at the time you remove such Content from the Website."
...etc. It then goes on to state that posted songs must not violate existing copyrights on someone else's material.
This is standard procedure. Basically it means "by sending us a song to publish on a public website, you are giving us official permission to publish it on a public website".
I can't find anything in the myspace T&C about derivative works.
Also, "copyrighting prior to posting" is a red herring; basically if you can prove you wrote it first, and you don't have a contract signing away your rights (as you would get with a record company) then you own the copyright. For the sake of clarity some people choose to bung a (c) in there.
ssshhh - i'm trying to start a better ...
ssshhh - i'm trying to start a better thread than jesus krux!
Aw dang, sorry, you'd better email me ...
Aw dang, sorry, you'd better email me in advance next time. Probably best to send out a bulk email to me, noizy and limegreen...
> probably best to send out a bulk ...
> probably best to send out a bulk email to me, noizy and limegreen...
heh. indeed.
and, as Heather points out, it's pretty standard T&C stuff for a site where you can upload music files. Compare it to Garageband.com's, for example...
By uploading Content to the Service (including, but not limited to, sound recordings, musical and/or vocal works, pictures, videos, song lyrics, written materials and/or other materials), you hereby grant, and you represent and warrant that you have the right to grant, to GB a worldwide, non-exclusive, fully-paid-up, worldwide license to use, copy, modify, adapt, translate, publicly perform, digitally perform, publicly display and distribute such information and Content in whole and in part, and to prepare derivative works of, or incorporate into other works, such information and Content, in any format or medium now known or later developed...At all times you shall retain full ownership of your Content subject to the non-exclusive rights granted to GB hereunder.
Sound familiar? Note use (on both myspace and garageband) of the word non-exclusive. They don't take over ownership as such - they can just use it however they want until you remove it from their site, essentially saving them the hassle of having to ask permission from every band for every new promotion they come up with.
I can quit MySpace anytime I want... ...
I can quit MySpace anytime I want... honest....
to be honest A) If i was an ...
to be honest
A) If i was an independent NZ band and Rupert wanted to pinch one of my low quality MP3s and bung it on a compilation CD and sell a million copies in the US without my permission...i probably woulnd't be that fucked off...seeing my song just got released in the states.
I think the majority of people on that website are
IGNORE ABOVE POST (i pressed add ...
IGNORE ABOVE POST (i pressed add comment accidentally too soon. Complete post below)
heck, you were up early this mornin......
heck, you were up early this mornin...
to be honest A) If i was an ...
to be honest
A) If i was an independent NZ band and Rupert wanted to pinch one of my low quality MP3s and bung it on a compilation CD and sell a million copies in the US without my permission...i probably wouldn't be that fucked off...seeing my song just got released in the states and a million people have it.
I think the majority of people on that website are looking to make international contacts and network. Even if Newscorp did decide to abuse their rights (and i don't see why they would) would it really be that bad for bands in NZ? Isn't that the point of being on that website? to get interest from overseas people?
the benefits to myspace, far outweigh these conspiracy negatives.
As Heather points out the copyrite ...
As Heather points out the copyrite thing is bogus... If you record or write down or make any record of an artistic creation of your own thwn you have copyrite over that work until you choose to license or sell that work. There is NO way myspace could release someones work on CD and get away with not paying mechanical royalties etc. A disclaimer on a website is not an irrefutable contract that would stand up in a court of law. It is purely a measure to protect the website....blah blah blah. Why am i saying this i know nothing more about law than my cat, and i don't have a cat.
The Murdoch thing is interesting. After all a number of regular posters on nzm were 'employees' of his empire until very recently when he sold us all to a diferent empire. Oh the joys of joining the machine.
I think we should start a forum about the connections between US big buisness, Evangalical fundamentalists, the rapture and israeli peace process...that is some scary shit.
didn't we do that already?...
didn't we do that already?
You be quiet, Joe. You and Dust and ...
You be quiet, Joe. You and Dust and Teina, you're all sitting around getting fat from the profits of those suckers who posted mp3s on NZmusic.com. I know you're pulling in buttloads of money from selling our words too. I hope you choke on your cigars, Cristal and walk-in humidors.
(Yes, I have never bothered to read the NZM disclaimer)
Hah! The week I stopped working for NZM ...
Hah! The week I stopped working for NZM I started making money again for the first time in 5 years. I recently bought a hat to replace the one I found in my garden when we moved in. High rollin times.
I'm not surprised...I heard a rumour ...
I'm not surprised...I heard a rumour you've started working for a FAR more insidious organisation.
rupert murdock owns nzm?...
rupert murdock owns nzm?
in fact, on closer inspection the ...
in fact, on closer inspection the parent company that owns Newscorp is Battle Circus Megacorp International, which thereby owns Myspace, NZMusic.com, most of the 7-11s in Wellington and the patents on paper clips and velcro..
so NOW you see how deep the conspiracy goess.... mwahahahahha
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I don't believe Murdoch owns NZM.. he ...
I don't believe Murdoch owns NZM.. he did own FMR.
.. and lost millions on it...
.. and lost millions on it
//fundamentalists, the rapture and ...
//fundamentalists, the rapture and israeli peace process...that is some scary shit
isn't it just.
Tim Le Haye and Jerry Falwell etc dont want to see a two state solutino in the middle east, and in fact want to get the battle happening... they have the power to accelerate a lot of bad shit.
//Tim Le Haye and Jerry ...
//Tim Le Haye and Jerry Falwell
...are scary evil bastards.
//most of the 7-11s // Do we even ...
//most of the 7-11s //
Do we even have 7-11s in Wellington? Cause if i'm right and there are none, then it'd be pretty easy to own em all, just like Pokemon!