a discussion on the best albums of the year prompted me to start this.
Do people realise how close we were to getting the Arcade Fire doing the orientation circut?
Orientation turned down Arcade Fire
Orientation turned down The Dandy Warhols
Orientation signed on The BomFunk Mcs
wha da fuck?
is it just me? wouldn't The Arcade Fire have been massive?


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Woulda been as good as Interpol I ...
Woulda been as good as Interpol I suppose. Was it money issues or something?
yeah...I always wonder what woulda ...
yeah...I always wonder what woulda happened if Interpol had been in the Town hall... might have sold out that venue too.
From what I heard, they weren't asking te earth, pretty reasonable actually considering. Just simply orientation controllers hadn't heard of them, wheras they HAD heard of The Bomfunk Mcs and their hit "freestyler"
I could be totally wrong...but this is what i hear.
Thats sounds like the mother of all ...
Thats sounds like the mother of all music promotor fuck ups I reckon. Freestyler hah!
Orientation turned down Arcade ...
Orientation turned down Arcade Fire.
Orientation agreed to Bomfunk MCs.
*Headshake with appropriate cartoon sounds*
What?!
Orientation turned down Arcade Fire.
Orientation agreed to Bomfunk MCs.
Not making any more sense...
Will people actually go and see Bomfunk MCs? Seriously?
Must be money. Any chance of a promoter who isn't a monkey booking them? (Feels Christmas spirit fading....)
Wait wait.. wait... ...
Wait wait.. wait...
WAIT...
Arcade Fire showed interest in coming here?
And they were shown the door?
...
Right. Someone is getting a punch in the nose.
maybe fingers crossed another promoter ...
maybe fingers crossed another promoter mighta taken up the offer to do a show, god i hope so, but they aren't doing orientation.
tha main thing about this is just the sheer stupidity in booking a band that had a huge hit YEARS ago and not booking band that is massively hot RIGHT NOW
you could become "Mystery Boy"? Yes?...
you could become "Mystery Boy"?
Yes?
It does sound too strange to be true. ...
It does sound too strange to be true. Maybe its another bad case of chinese whispers on the local musician netwrok? Not a rare occurance!
i heard from the word from another ...
i heard from the word from another promoter and then had that word confirmed by one of the few universitys who did actually want the show... unfortunately not enough uni's would book it, so it got canned.
I cotacted their booking agent and unfortuntely, they now have no plans to come "down under" for 2006. So :( it will be sometime I'm afraid before they might come.
fuck, I hate being the bearer of bad news sometimes.
but you're right dust, its still all ...
but you're right dust, its still all "word on the street"....and stuff like this has come back to bite me before.
// you could become "Mystery ...
// you could become "Mystery Boy"?
nah, I'll only bring an nternational over if they're happy to play motueka on a tuesday night and hang in NZ for two weeks of more. I got a few internationals planned for next year...but, haha, nothing anywhere near the level of tha fire.
// they now have no plans to come "down ...
// they now have no plans to come "down under" for 2006. So :( it will be sometime I'm afraid before they might come.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Someone get my gun.
from what i've heard (but don't ask ...
from what i've heard (but don't ask me - ask Jon_Jr) Victoria Uni was keen as mustard to get Arcade Fire, and the Dandy Warhols, and a couple of other fairly decent and *interesting* groups and had all but confirmed it, but the other universities didn't think they'd get a decent crowd in or something. . ??
The Bomfunk MC's are a fucking joke. No one who remembers who they are would be seen dead at the show..
New Zealand university culture is embarrassing. Music and Sport, and pretty much everything else.
//fuck, I hate being the bearer of bad ...
//fuck, I hate being the bearer of bad news sometimes.
whatever bro, all part of the job. justice is SERVED.
Well apparently Auckland and Vic were ...
Well apparently Auckland and Vic were sweet with Trans Am, but then the ones in the South Island weren't. Something about getting 8 people at a Dei Hamo gig they paid thousands for.
Personally I don't see how it relates, but I guess they're worried about making losses.
Orientation is looking pretty fucking lame right now.
What the fuck were they thinking. Dei ...
What the fuck were they thinking. Dei Hamo? Jesus. What about doing a survey and giving a handful (say 250) students at each campus the opportunity to vote for who they think should be the acts for the next orientation, based on who is available and within the budget constraints of orientation. It's clear these people booking bands are so completely out of touch as to not be capable of making a sensible choice. Fucking Dei Hamo, shit.
Ugh. Mother... fucking... bastards... ...
Ugh. Mother... fucking... bastards... killed my hopes and dreams... back to my cave now....
No no.. no chinese whispers on this ...
No no.. no chinese whispers on this one.. Blink knows what he is saying I am pretty sure... maybe someone will bring them around next year if they seemed reasonably possible for orientation
I just about had to leave band practice ...
I just about had to leave band practice early when I heard about this... so mad, SO SO MADDDDD. Blink, is there anyway you and Mystery Girl could make your powers combine and work some magic for 2006??? You know, if you're not busy or anything... ;)
There's supposedly wheels turning to ...
There's supposedly wheels turning to try and bring Les Savy Fav and Broken Social Scene here as well around Orientation-ish time as an adjunct to their Oz tours. It's all gonna be pretty frantic for tour organizers. Though we love you etenally and appreciate your efforts. :)
yeah, I've heard Les savy fav in the ...
yeah, I've heard Les savy fav in the pipelines..they finish in Oz on March 3rd..so timing is perfect. Fingers crossed eh.
Ah well, it's not that bad : Check out ...
Ah well, it's not that bad : Check out the lyrical prowess of tha MCs:
Freestyler...rock the microphone
Straight from the top of my dome
Carry on with the freestyler
I gotz to hmmm, to throw on
And go on, you know I gotz to flow on
Selectors on ya radio play us
’cause we’re friendly for ozone
But that’s not all so hold on
Tight, as I rock the mic right
Oh.. excuse me, pardon
As I syncronize with the analyzed
Upcomin’ vibes the session,
Let there be a lession, question
You carry protection
Or will your heart go on
Like celine dion - karma chameleon
Yeaah, straight from the top of my dome
As I rock, rock, rock, rock, rock the microphone
Hit me!
Styles, steelos, we bring many kilos
So you could pick yours, from the various
Ambitious, nutrious, delicious, delirious
Or vicious, just tell us
We deliver anything from accappellas
To best sellers, suckers get jealous
But their soft like marshmellows
You know they can’t handle us
Like debbie does dallas
Yeah, we come scandalous so who tha fuck
Is alice, is she from buckinham palace?
Yeaah, straight from the top of my dome
As I rock, rock, rock, rock, rock the microphone
Hit me!
scandinavia has a lot to answer for. ....
scandinavia has a lot to answer for. .
First there is no such thing as ...
First there is no such thing as Orientation! There are 9 employed Events Managers at 9 Universities (and or satellite campuses) that independently book Orientation Festivals.
So decisions are made as a group, though the decisions are not binding and individual campuses can opt out.
Orientation Festivals are for University Students, if your not attending a University (or are not a member of the Students association) then your opinions and bleatings are of little consequence.
"turned down Arcade Fire..."
- Not quite true, initially not enough interest and fee too high, however a bit of a turn around in interest, 4 main center's were interested, but their recording committment vetoed the possibility.
"Orientation turned down The Dandy Warhols..."
Negative, negoiation went well until the costs went well overboard and would've meant prohibitive prices for students (whom are the focus or orientation)
"Orientation signed on The BomFunk Mcs"
Still no contract signed, though looks likely. There is a lot of dissension so thats why they probably won't play all campuses...
PS you forgot to mention Gomez and Transam.
PPS Do Shihad and Feat Freddys Drop count since they are International acts.
There's the fuck.
yeah, though in the past there have ...
yeah, though in the past there have been people who have passionately stood up for certain acts and convinced other controllers to buy particluar shows.
shit can happen if people want it hard enough. There are massive amounts of wicked international bands who would come to NZ for the money that orientation can pay. It takes a wee bit of effort, but its worth it.
From the looks of the orientation website, bomfunk mcs have been booked for the majority of the campuses.
Yeah, i heard about transam, which is ridiculous from the low fee i heard they were asking, haha, I didn't hear about Gomez though.
Nobody is trying to offend you bro. There are some really good cunts working orientation, just not enough balls from the other half of them and I'm still hurting over missing out on Weezer a couple of years back.
I think some orientation controllers underesitmate their auidence and think they are ALL dumb fuck, booze hags, when there are plenty of people who do actually want to see something of interest and not just kill their brain cells on tui.
haha. and i'm glad their is dissention ...
haha. and i'm glad their is dissention about the bomfucks. That is the main issue here, not so much the non-booking of great bands...cause, well, that happens every year, but why the booking of such a non-event? Shit, if you were gonna book a one-hit wonder, it should have at least been Vanilla Ice (who is actually pretty cheap and looking to come to Aus/NZ)
and of course, you know, when i say ...
and of course, you know, when i say "you", i don't mean "you", cause i can see from the bomfunks bookings, that your orientation passed on them.
//Vanilla Ice great idea. And not ...
//Vanilla Ice
great idea.
And not out of the question.
How about Tone Loc as well, that would be rad
Orientation festivals might ostensibly ...
Orientation festivals might ostensibly be for students, but anyone is entitled to go, so it's a bit rich to say that the "bleatings" of the non-student are of no consequence - you still take their money don't ya.
Also many of us are students.
So, aside from this odd policy of aiming things at students, possibilities existing to have Arcade Fire, The Dandy Warhols, Gomez, and Trans Am, and we have Bomfunk MCs? I feel like this is some sort of bad joke.
[Students have plenty of cash at orientation, because it's the start of the year. It may be the only time of the year, but especially the first-year students, who make up a large bulk of the audience of these orientation events, can afford it. When people are spending a couple hundred dollars in that week on alcohol (and no doubt there are stories far in excess of that), what's $40/$60/whatever to see an international band?]
Shihad and FFD, as good as they may or may not be, are not international acts. They are from NZ, we are in NZ. They are... national acts. Ta-da!
"Orientation festivals might ostensibly ...
"Orientation festivals might ostensibly be for students, but anyone is entitled to go, so it's a bit rich to say that the "bleatings" of the non-student are of no consequence - you still take their money don't ya.
Also many of us are students."
If you. as a student want your students association to book more left field artists you need to talk to the student execs to "influence" the Event Managers, a recent (last 5-10 years) shift towards cultural conservatism and financial accountability (not just in the exec's but also in the general student population) has meant that "interesting but obscure" and "financially risky" artists are bypassed.
In addition the emphasis (particularly in Auckland) on low prices or free tickets for students reduces the affordability of acts like Weezer (they simply were too expensive for the University circuit, rather than there not being a desire to have them)
PS University events are for University Students, the fact that public access is allowed is an ongoing debate, some would prefer only students have access, some say just partners and friends, others the existing status quo... Which would you prefer ? the first option would be a much cleaner option, don't you think ?
but wouldn't you consider an act who ...
but wouldn't you consider an act who had one giant hit about 5 years ago and have since faded into obscurity to be more left-field then say a bands like Gomez/Arcade Fire/dandy Warhols?
Gomez who can sell out 1000 people in the main centres at $60 a pop (proven) as opposed to a band like the Bomfunks who if on their own tour, not supported by a university, would be more like 300-500 people at $25
>a recent (last 5-10 years) shift ...
>a recent (last 5-10 years) shift towards cultural conservatism and financial accountability (not just in the >exec's but also in the general student population) has meant that "interesting but obscure" and "financially >risky" artists are bypassed.
This is more or less it. Don't just blame the exec's for a generally thankless task, blame all the insufferably bland Von-Dutch/Export cap denizens of your lectures and tutorials.
//I think some orientation controllers ...
//I think some orientation controllers underesitmate their auidence and think they are ALL dumb fuck, booze hags, when there are plenty of people who do actually want to see something of interest and not just kill their brain cells on tui.
cher!
the idea that I woulda been part of the (general) target audience of a bomfunk mc's (non)-event if I still went to uni only makes me (that little bit) glader that I decided to stop going.
come on bomfunk cancellation gang of four replacement. come on...
> come on bomfunk cancellation gang of ...
> come on bomfunk cancellation gang of four replacement. come on...
Hell YES.
Who the fuck is going to pay to see ...
Who the fuck is going to pay to see Bomfunk MCs? Artistic merit aside, if I was an activities organiser, I'd see a teenage one hit wonder band from a few years ago as being a very risky choice.
I'd bet money that most students would much rather see a top tier NZ act like Shapeshifter, FFD, Shihad, the Bleeders et al than some novelty dance act from overseas. The prices are going to be much lower (except maybe for FFD?), so lower price for tickets (who are the focus of the whole exercise) and you're going to have full venues, ensuring at least break even end results, rather than blowing a wad of studen's money on a terrible gimmick act devoid of artistic merit. Bomfunk MCs should never have made it past a chuckling suggestion in the Orientation organisers' meeting. There isn't much lower that you could sink.
Since when did students become less ...
Since when did students become less likely to like "hot" "now" indie pop bands and more likely to like one-hit wonder mcs from several years ago? weird...
it's part of post-modern ironic cool ...
it's part of post-modern ironic cool to like such stuff, i believe
Cries of "post-modern irony" and ...
Cries of "post-modern irony" and surprise at university audiences not wanting to see an indie pop band fall of deaf ears. Fact is, Bomfunk MC's will end up doing a tonne better among yer average punter than the Arcade Fire. Which sickens me, but it's a fact. I'd estimate less than ten percent of Auckland uni listens to bfm, for example. Most of them listen to the same awful shit that the rest of the world does, the same dreck they liked in 1999 as fourth formers, occassionally adding a seminal artist like Crazy Frog or Kelly Clarkson or Nelly to their musical interests as time passes and Top 40 Charts turn over. Why do you think places like the Loaded Hog get packed to the gills every weekend? Point is, as far as an interesting musical climate goes (ignoring the subsets of people really into indie, punk, hip-hop, decent metal, etc) student culture is pretty moribund and has been for a few years.
I think that is a generalisation ...
I think that is a generalisation because Orientations have descended into that. Of course you are only going to see butt-fuck boozed cunts at an 48may togo party, because thats the only people who will go, but If you have good bands playing, the people with taste (IMO) crawl out of the woodwork.
Not ALL students are out to fuck themselves up at orientation, that is a stereotype that orientation bookers have enforced by booking acts that encourage that kind of munter activity.
Perhaps they are the only bands the ...
Perhaps they are the only bands the organisers still listen to? Ha. I wonder if people do chuck on the Bomfunk every now and then. According to the Party mix CDs, it is cool to like MC Hammer again.
//According to the Party mix CDs, it is ...
//According to the Party mix CDs, it is cool to like MC Hammer again.
OMIGOD! I would TOTALLY see MC Hammer if he came. At least he got popular enough to become hideously unpopular.
// //According to the Party mix CDs, it ...
// //According to the Party mix CDs, it is cool to like MC Hammer again.
//OMIGOD! I would TOTALLY see MC Hammer if he came. At least he got popular enough to become hideously unpopular.
I think this is what ahmetertegun is referring to above...
// I think this is what ahmetertegun is ...
// I think this is what ahmetertegun is referring to above...
But did they say MC Hammer? No, so ha, ha. Be more specific. Be more cool. Be more condescending. Be more like me. Be more radical. Be more, talk less.
I'm starting at Uni next year, I ...
I'm starting at Uni next year,
I won't have the majority of my money at the start of the year. I'll have just paid my fees and I will be broke as
Having said that, I'll pay 60 bucks for an international that I like, easy
Seriously, though, this is like the ...
Seriously, though, this is like the Gabbo episode of The Simpsons where Krusty's show falls apart and he can only offer Worker and Parasite, Eastern Europe's hottest cat and mouse duo, in lieu of Itchy and Scratchy. Except imagine that the cat and mouse duo was Finnish and they rocked the microphone.
Yeah! Straight from the top of my dome!...
Yeah! Straight from the top of my dome!
No Arcade Fire. That shits me....
No Arcade Fire.
That shits me.
my friend just had a fit when i told ...
my friend just had a fit when i told her about this.
I just imagined someone having an ...
I just imagined someone having an actual epileptic fit when they heard the news, and frankly, it would be justified. Quite a full on reaction though. Maybe the most appropriate would be to instantly vomit on the floor upon hearing the news.
I heard that the shins did pretty well ...
I heard that the shins did pretty well in terms of crowds last year ( I couldn't make it due to 1000 other things more important the same night)
You'd think if The shins could pull a decent crowd they would give other "indie" acts a go.