TRUTH about why SHIT is on the RADIO

Intreresting news article about WARNERS bribing radio stations via band-related giveaways well after the bands radio-shelf-life is over

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/22/business/22cnd-payola.html?hp&ex=11327...

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disgusting - but that's the way it is.

hmm certainly looks like "that's the way it is" in the states - where this article is from...

but it looks like something's being done about i t- ie. Warners are paying fines / donating cassh to "good causes"

i'd like to know if anyone knows of any scams like this in the nz radio industry

my guess is everything we hear and see on tv / radio is part of a scam - nothing to do with genuine artisitic merit - all to do with how hard the international record labels are ramming up our asses

for instance - and award winning music video will not necessarily get much tv-play - unless the track it's associated with is going well on radio

and then there's the video that wins an award - not because the video is particularly good - but because the band associated with the track that's associated with the video might be flvour of themonth etc

thoughts? anecdotes? who's REALLY deciding what we're listening to / staring zombie-like at?

Sure they're doing something about the more underhanded methods of ensuring a company's music is going to be heard, but it doesn't really change the general concept...

The sad truth is that the majority of the record buying public expects (perhaps not consciously) to be told what to listen to and therefore buy. It's not like a large proportion of record sales come from people that have put some thought and research into their preferences. They listen to the snippets of music that have been squeezed between the radio ad breaks and later go home and watch MTV. These media formats will tell them what's hot, and what's hot will rarely be overly adventurous.

Then again, I do on occasion hear/see new material I like through the mass media.

None of the above need necessarily apply to music though; is it laziness, or maybe apathy that causes the majority of society to want to be spoonfed?

Another thought: I like music. It is an important part of my life. For many people this is not the case. I know some people that can't actually sit down and listen to a CD. It's just something they put on in the background. These people will still buy records though. I suspect the people I normally interact with are not a standard cross-section of the music buying population. Perhaps most people don't really care as much.

as i was reading ed's post, i was thinking along the lines of what you answered, SkyMan.

i think for many people - the general public - music readily available through big commercial means serves a purpose - as you say, it's there in the background, and for many people that's all they ask that it does. like greeting cards - serve a purpose, sum up momentous occasions, births, but the sentiment is a bit blah. i reckon commercial music, for most people, does the job of summing up their sentiments, sometimes it's off, sometimes it's blah, but mostly it does it's job.

then some people see music as weird communication, where it feels like your looking into the artist a bit - trend celebrity flash-in-pans manufactured personality. and authentic-feeling artists too - good music captures a moment in a communication or expression, and when a song does that well it's hard to ignore that, because we are communicating animals. i guess some of us have our greeting-card filters turned on and don't want music that is just there for background-filler money-making fake-communication purposes.

it's worth trawling through the last few years on this site, as every 5 or so months we have a brilliant barney-session about it, and a lot of us here are either purists or musicians or both and are heavily and emotionally compelled to make music that means something true to ourselves, damn the costs etc ...

there seem to be two types of music/art in the world - goddamn someone had a great quote on it, on here, about four months ago - three urges - fame, money, expression - i didn't agree with all of it, but thought it was a good assessment ...

//The sad truth is that the majority of the record buying public expects (perhaps not consciously) to be told what to listen to and therefore buy.

I think the apathy/laziness call is unfair, and untrue - I think it's more likely that people are conditioned into finding out about new music in particular ways, and to a certain extent conditioned into the kind of music that they'll enjoy. Outside the main centres, and for the pre-18 bracket I think most obvious music options have traditionally offered a pretty narrow range of music, so that's what people get used to hearing. And it's not just the fault of big business - it's environment, society, family, friends, church...you get a kid whose parents listen to campus radio all the time he's not going to be going out hunting for Britney because of apathy or corporate brainwashing.

Anyway, if people don't know what they're missing then they're less likely to worry about looking further afield for something more satisfying. And if they do look further afield - switch to a different station for example - it's likely they won't like what they hear at first, which'll put them off. But it is more the issue of the "background noise" crowd. They listen to particular music not because they like music but because it's familiar to them. Anyone that's really into music has an innate desire to actually explore a lot more - even if they started out liking the ubiquitous top 40 stuff (and I trust that most of us probably did) their tastes are constantly evolving.

actually - good example (hopefully) - i got a friend who, at his work, CDs are played in a shared office - he would love to put on music he absolutely loves more than life, music he responds to emotionally big time, makes him feel proud of where he lives, sense of place etc - but these are the very same reasons why the others in the office can't stand the (very good) music he wants to put on - because it demands a response - even if the response is positive, they just want something background that demands nothing from them - so they can fade in and out with it as they work. valid reason, just a pain for my friend who's been going slowly mad over the past decade because of it, but at least he's learnt to filter out certain types of musak now.

yeah, and what Heather said - one of my office friend's fellow-workers actually said if it's a type of music he's not used to, it makes him anxious ... he might not notice it, but it does ... it's asking him to notice or something. even if it's as luscious and friendly and drop-dead gorgeous as Robert Scott's terrific song Fog And Wind, that un-plastic honest made-by-next-door-genius sound isn't heard often enough to be background music for some people.

Heather: Yes, you are most probably right, and I stand corrected. I was probably being a bit harsh. Conditioning is probably a much better explanation as I couldn't imagine many people going "Hmm, I'd like some music, but I can't be bothered finding out what I want, so I'll just listen to the radio for a while". There's no double people LIKE what they're hearing.

In a way, pay for play is just making a sneaky ad out of sh!t music, except in this case Warners is 'purchasing stolen goods', because the PD doesn't own the airtime they're pawning off in the first place... which, where left unchecked, can lead to situations where the playlist is entirely determined by the receipt of personal bribes.

"For instance, David Universal, a former program director at WKSE in Buffalo, received a trip to Miami, a laptop and several other perks, Mr. Spitzer said. "We all had to do business with Dave if we were going to get our records on," a promotion manger with Atlantic Records was quoted as saying. "It was a game that you either played or you didn't have a shot at getting your records on the air."

Do you think the offer of a bribe is as important as the acceptance of a bribe? Why do stations/labels tolerate this sort of fraud from their staff in the first place?

cos the pay's shit
cos a little candy coating makes the medicine go down

RE low pay... I know I'm oversimplifying this, but commercial radio is supposed to be about selling airtime to advertisers for the most money possible, right? You would think that playlisting popular/'artistically meritous' music would increase the station's listenership, and therefore the potential value of the station's advertising space... but I guess playlisting itself tends to influence what a listenership thinks is popular or artistically meritous. Easier/safer for a station to be a sheep farmer than a game hunter, but not as fun...

commercial radio is all about the advertisements, the music played is designed to hold listeners, i.e not give them a reason to switch channels. Thus the most mediocre music is promoted/played and as conseqence dominates the sales charts through the volume of sheep who listen to commercial radio

the old hit em with a stick til they give in rationale

we're bloody lucky in that here we have choice

*tries not to imagine the living hell of having to listen to commercial radio for an hour let alone all day*

//the living hell of having to listen to commercial radio

reminds me of Lou Reed's career - got a wage (a good one?) writing sickly sweet commercial tunes when he was young - learnt the formula and then subverted it amazingly in writing music for himself - when you listen to a whole lotta Velvet Underground (and not the cool-to-like cool-cat tunes either) you can really hear the sweet commercial sound in the background - a whole lotta pop underpinning and working to do different things other than the usual commercial soylent green sedative pacifier thing.

ahh yes lou reed

i read interview where he said he saw music and the emergence of radio as a vehicle for a new form of the NOVEL... as if literature would evolve from written word to sung...

but he finished up the interview saying it had all gone to the dogs as soon as it became apparent there was a buck to be made from commercial (shallow) messageless catchy ditties

last great american whale

//literature would evolve from written word to sung

wow - did he realise he was talking about a de-evolution of a type (not privileging anything here) - but of a time when we humans didn't have the written word and used our memories a bit more, putting massive narratives into massive songs to be passed on orally ...

... the Iliad or the Odyssey came out of the oral tradition ... imagine them as songs - mindblowing ... a festival would be set up around them - Big Odyssey Out. or you could ask the storyteller to concentrate on selected tracks ... awesome. storyteller as iPod.

"Epic" once meant "oral" ... presumably it changed meaning thanks to a misinterpretation of what it meant in the phrase "epic poetry".

No doubt Classics freaks know this, but I can't resist sharing etymology nonsense.

absolutely agree

that's why concept albums are the shizzle - 40-70 minute ruminaitons on a theme

can you imagine being in the ozzie outback and a local native storyteller walks up to you and blurts a bunch of senseless 4 minute tirades in your face frenetically trying to keep your attention - enticing you to spend spend SPEND - and flashing pix of half-naked chicks - and repeating brand-names over and over - and so the metaphore stretches and stretches

doesn't epic come from epi-kaleo - as in "invoke" as in call up the Gods (traditional thing to do before setting out on a big story)? ... or now i think about it, it could be related to 'epist-' -> 'epix' as in epistle ... so often 'epi' is a prefix ... i'm a classics freak and i didn't know that. god i should really get back to work, sorry, carry on ...

//*tries not to imagine the living hell of having to listen to commercial radio for an hour let alone all day*

Actually the music is fantastic compared to the inane babble of commerical radio DJ's. My god it makes me feel like jumping off a cliff. If these people talked the way they do on the radio in a normal social setting they'd a) have NO friends and b) likely get punched the fuck out after about 40 seconds.

Anyway, this is all besdie the point...

ahahaha i worked in a factory near reporoa and had long standing arguments with the other workers about what station should be on - luckily i had a post outside the main room where the DJ's voice was distorting constantly over the sound of the stockfeed being pressed into bags... but there was one dude in the workshop right ebside my station who i managed to convince to NOT play the radio - and play his own music collection instead - anything to avoid that frikkin DJ banter and those goddam awful radio ads aaaRRRGH

i ended up with joe cocker and credence clearwater revival over and voer and over - even thru industrial earmuffs it was torturous - but it was better than radio

and another job - double shifts in a kiwifruit factory in katikati - i'd switch the radio to the concert program and see how long it took someone to erupt into swearing and belligerently march over and switch it back to the rock or whatever the hell it was - man you wouldn't believe the ire it would provoke in folks

long live the kiwifruit season and all the fellow shiftworkers i knew before

that's what i like about 'going home' for the holidays - every station is playing Classic Rock - first few weeks i'm born-again to how great music is, just astounded at how great old stuff is (i'm talking about decent late 50s, 60s etc), including CCR ... after a month though i'm starting to crack and need to listen to new stuff that isn't necessarily reacting to/reinventing the Classics.

just to bring this topic back on track a tad

does anyone have any stories of record labels putting pressure on radio stations to playlist their latest releases?

i've heard about it - like a label is guaranteed to shift x amount of units if a track is played x^y times... but how do they ensure the track will get played?

I have loads of stories of people here applying pressure,... I know I've done it at a B.Net level on many occassions :) Only a fool doesn't try and convince a PD to play the music they represent

Though compared to the US there is less need for local pressure as most/all (?) commercial PDs worship at the alter of the US radio playlists and additions as published, so theres less need to grease local hands, not that it doesn't happen though but the real work happens offshore and we get the results fed us with gusto

LOL @ kiwifruit packhouses, been there and somehow survived, yet to this day I get get violent urges whenever I hear GnR's

I guess the music industry is no different to any other, when a new car model is released, relevent journalists are flown in and "looked after" in hope of favourable reviews. Newly released films sometimes write their own 5 star ratings and push it as a independant reviewer. Like they say you dont get something for nothing.........

I was never a radio type person listening to music like background noise, I always preferred to put on music when I felt in a certain type of mood or so, but in the super size me type world where we live in now , days of non stop music stored on flashdrives, come to think of it I would have thought i-pod has hurt radio listening numbers as people have gigs of music to listen to all day now without adverts. Just some thought from a dinosaur :)

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