i think re: student radio the methodology is this: music is a valueless resource to be used to keep radio wannabees in the an exploitive job.
i had a similar experience where a station killed alot of my music through overplay and i never got a cent.

i think noizyboy justified this in that the listenership of these stations is too low and the stations themselves can't afford the fees...
i recall trillion also had a problem with a tv theme.
basically apra only works for those important enough to be invited to the shindig

they certainly do this best to tie in nz music weeks with sample periods. the bnets are cash holes as they have small audiences who don't like big cheesy companies advertising on THEIR stations. I know that Radio Active has turned down show sponsorship from McDonalds coz they felt it would alienate the audience etc. SO anyways the bnets don't pay very much to apra. They real money comes from big gigs (BDO etc) tv and mainstream radio. From indy to mainstream artists the jump income is huge and unbalanced much like every monetary situation ever but how else are they gonna do it; give more money to people whose music reaches a smaller audience because they need it more?

But I aint complaing..I can pay my cellphone bill this week and maybe buy that Lucidtone Tremelo pedal i've been dreaming of for the last six weeks. OOOOOOh it sounds so nice.

...any minute now... ...the royalties can take a while to come through, sometimes...

that party zi ji is complaining about is like ccf turning round one year and saying fuck the starving little african kids, this year we're putting on a spread but we're only inviting the 100 most generous sponsors ( +our advertiser's+our stationary wholesaler's+our voice's+our knockout blond girlfriends' and their mistresses' families)
it's innappropriate use of funds.
it's like the gov throwing an annual invite only gst party
but they're not real too open about it in the contract,
what happens to the surplus,
but u figure that party's being paid for somehow,
then u read about the Unlogged Performance Pool.
the unlogged 'coz we can't really be shagged doing thewhole job so we've stuck the rest in a liitle lottery which u can only get to if u can prove to us beyond reasonable doubt that someone did actually play your recording ' Performance Pool.

*members may also be asked to submit verification of their claims and in some cases be asked to submit a Statutory Declaration setting out the basis of their claim
(please join APRA)

please
pool

and u don't really cotton on when u sign up.

that the majority of those 5000 member's will never be invited to the party that their $2 (can't be fucked) unlogged performance fee is paying for.

and anyone who's worked at student radio knows that most shit is logged
but APRA can only do 2 weeks a year
on the network that has been the stepping stone and saviour for 80% of all the good music from nz
and
fuck
i was so bored in school C maths, it would've been neat to statisfy the logs from from a years worth of b-net playlists, forensically translating the stoned scrawlings from a 3am soid gold hell super play.

then they invented computers
how hard is logging shit?
but i guess it's a more fulfilling job if ur organization holds an annual slap up bash and publishes the single worst magazine
in the world
beating investigate
and 4square discount fliers

as u were

to be quite honest, i don't see why you shouldn't get a small % (via APRA (or even better , directly from the site) for streams and downloads - especially considering they ask whether you are an APRA member or not whenever you upload a song. Those sites are essentially making a killing on you, and while they are mean promotional tools, there should still be some payback - a download/stream is still a broadcast of sorts. Perhaps its time to start lobbying APRA about web content -

Hey foal, glad ur back
gotta take issue though
when using the ole' //', it's generally expected that u're quoting rather than paraphrasing, please.

//// Stepping stone and saviour of good NZ music

=

//been the stepping stone and saviour for 80% of all the good music
DISPUTE THAT

// Unlogged because we can't be shagged.

=

// Unlogged because APRA can't be shagged.
REREAD

//well thats it in a nut shell. Failure to file three pieces of paper and get your Mother to witness it says more of the derelict nature of the individual than any believed APRA Collective shortcomings. That the unlogged pool funded those members who had the motivation to enlist is pointless, external denouncments of the Collective Workings are simply farcical. You choose to not follow through with the legal Statues of Membership you wear the percieved injustice.

so to paraphrase u, it is entirely right that APRA should willfully ignore %96 of b-net playlists
and take 365 days worth of ratios from 14 days, it is preferable for them to publish glossy drivel.
as a member there is a financial threshhold whereby if ur earning less than it, u must cover ur own costs hypothetically spending more than u receive. while another child dies, but for just a dollar a day...this is small money, below fola30's intrrnationally recognized mandate of 'value'

//appaling and tenuous connection. Ones compulsory the other is optional

not for dairy owners , paying the tax, strangely uninvited to the party
it's a 'compulsory' tax sytem foal, funding all sorts of extranneous suckful crap.

//The reward is in the creation of that product and the assembly of skills and contacts/references that comes from this

personally for me it's just inthe creation of the product, but i hope u enjoy ur contacts/references that comes from it all
reward's man

i think they could streamline, do a better job and dismantle the gravy train.
u act like ur living in india with an uncountable number of performances
i don't see it.
it's little old nz with an immigration system as tight as a nun's noony
finite as the number 12
and i believe, not only could they log all student radio plays
but that not doing so, & choosing 4% to represent a whole is both scurrilous and lazy

//glad ur back
//paraphrase u,
//ur earning
//u
//ur own
//u

..sorry, just nosey - rope, did you break your "yo" key?

..but FWIW given the high playlist turnover, particularly on indie stations, I agree the idea of choosing just two weeks in the year and suggesting it's a sufficiently representative sample is absurd. Seriously, there are songs that are utterly thrashed for three months then you don't hear from the band for another 12

//then they invented computers
how hard is logging shit?

Hell, I'll put my hand up and write a web-based app for the b-net on the cheap. Wouldn't take me more than a week. Logging = three mouse-clicks. Probably they've already got a system anyway - most of the bFM DJs already put their playlists up on the website.

Ho ho ho...

Im not paraphrasing, although there is a clear mis-communication.

That being the claim of Unlogged equating to spending collected revenue from non-trackable radio play. I am of the opinion that this "Unlogged" Poll is from those credited writers who have not filed paperwork. Four Figures and counting from this collective alone, Democrocy in accreditation sucks eh?I certainly mulled this over on the train to the factory this morning. Either way I think one or both of us has the wrong end of the stick.
Clearly I have read your can't be shagged as from the individual applicant , not APRA.

I don't think APRA is not paying, just that the total funding/revenue is only on the 2 week samplers, which should mean you have a good year/bad year. Anyone stack those weeks?
We have tunes "A"Listed on a number of stations, point is there small fry, even if we "get Lucky" on this 2week sampler it won't mean shit. Although if it did, pick up the phone and request your tracks, or bribe a DJ to p lug your tunes.

I fit the description of little man, yet I get invited to the party every year, maybe it cos they know I wont come? I'm not sure why having a party is a bad idea, I can't begrude the event because APRA does a lot more than drink at the members expense. (hopefully).

80%

Ah, again you are stateing something you hold dearly, good for you, my querey is on this metaphysical stepping stone. To earning more money perhaps? If it is then it will almost certainly involve radio play on at least one of the big three Networks. I am not convinced that the Bnet's have launched many careers, in relation to the NZ content they play. Again this is not a primary concern of mine, or I suspect yours, but you can pump as much Local /Indie as you want just don't expect APRA to sheel out on the %listening audiance. I am in no way disputing your love of being "indiependent" in fact I find it quite comforting, I would like to know what the pathway from bnet is, and what Bands/Entertainers have followed it. Examples if you like to how these radio stations lifted the artists they claim to support.

Product creation

reads as lazy grab for some mythicalartistic moral highground. Which is dis-concerting coming from you, particualry as your line reads as a bitch about $.Contacts/References is directed at the what viewing/listening audiance takes fro the performance/piece and the opportunites that can arise from this. Most will not involve $ but important Musical communication.

I'm a lucky MF, you know that I get to play/have played/will play with some serious cats and the bread is not the issue, the education and enjoyment of those interactions is the driving force behind those decisions. Simply put, if I dont have my shit together in a "business' sense I miss out in the "musical" one. and thats a goddamn shame. If theres someone I want on a session/gig I might do a "less than satisfactory music as spiritual" slot to pay for it. If thats selling out im a guilty man.

Im not sure of this In India bit, I havent made it to Nelson yet.

I think you are unhappy about this only 2 week catchment, fair enough, but isn't it better than what we used to have?

Undemocratic it probably is, but that will not change externally, and it will never change without likeminded societal movement. It may sum up the "Music Industry" quite well too.

So as a firecracker of cerebal energy and a good hearted son o' a bitch you would be unstoppable as a debating force me reckons. So put your boots on and take it to them, I'm sure your man enough. Maybe you could write a letter to the editior in that fantastic magazine they publish.