I seriousely think that the government should stop funding most of the 'courses' that fall under a BA. That includes literature, sociology, film and media, anthropology, womens studies, geography, history (outside of the law), people management, other bunch of ass learn nothing useful or learn nothing at all but someones opinion courses. having done several papers in most of these areas I can without a doubt say that these courses are on the whole worthless to the idividual and society. I intend to pay the government and my parents back for the years mostly wasted in lectures learning jack.
*2 essays and one exam per semester is not work
*Shakespear is fine, but why whould other people pay for anyone to study it, and the terms study is loosely applied here, a year old could get a B for any of these papers.
*Stage three film - 3 years and I'd never bothered to see Godard film or an episode of twin peaks. Cause they're boring and I could get away with writing ass only about the stuff I liked.
*there are no grammatical standards for marking in arts. That is deliberate, makes it easy, bums on seats for next year. Oh no we don't want the fascist grammar police forcing their patriarchal man rules on the rest of us.
*arts students are nasty status conscoiuse shallow bores who do what they do *becuase* it's easy
*go to science and suddenly everyones a friend, cause we all have something in common - we all have work to do.
By my 20's ashamed for the time wasted, and yet arts graduates were the second most numerous group graduating in last years october ceremonies, ritht behind commerce.
Fuck arts.
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as I am going to take the easy one out ...
as I am going to take the easy one out being a good for nothing arts grad I'll cut to the chase.
Get bent motherfucker!
Should be easy 'way' but as no one ...
Should be easy 'way' but as no one penalizes us arts grads for grammar, spelling or semanitcs I guess I'm safe.
//Fuck arts Fuck rdor's ...
//Fuck arts
Fuck rdor's regurgitation of the same old arguments is getting boring. Is there anything you're not ashamed of?
20 Dec 04
do arts if you watn a three year holiday at university. That's about what you'll get out of it.
... arts is full of snobby fuck ups who messed around at school and just want it easy. Most other degrees have some practical use somewhere, they teach you something, whether boring or not.
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24 Feb 05
it's useless information, what use does that knowledge have, or what rather what use should it have if people left school to do usefull things and not write wnaky columns in a magazine or be a politician. It's bullshit, open to the poltical manipulation... anyone can use history to prove some point that really originated in their own opinions... what a waste of time.
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// 2 essays and one exam per semester ...
// 2 essays and one exam per semester is not work
even better was French 107: Medieval Romantic Literature. 2 (short) essays and no exam.
i had a third or fourth year computer ...
i had a third or fourth year computer science exam share a room with a first year french class once. im not sure that many computer scientists passed.
Stop it, your self-loathing is turning ...
Stop it, your self-loathing is turning me on.
where's the self loathing?, I made a ...
where's the self loathing?, I made a mistake, enrolled later in a Bsc and payed for it myself working part time/full time. Happy about that.
//, womens studies, Are there mens ...
//, womens studies,
Are there mens studies?
Yes. Although a lot of universities now ...
Yes. Although a lot of universities now have gender studies programs which do both.
What do these courses involve? Do you ...
What do these courses involve? Do you study like the body or their worth to the world or famous women or famous men or something?
Although it is not as obvious now, ...
Although it is not as obvious now, there have been enormous changes in the roles than men and women play in society, especially in the last hundred years. In fact, rather amusingly, the concept of gender equality is so well entrenched that some of the anti-PC brigade get wound up when women aren't given the same rights as men (which 20 years ago might have been considered PC itself).
As well as history, there's stuff on what it means to be a man, or what it means to be a woman. Like why do men often like powertools, but not really go in for make-up? Or why is it that women tend to get branded as sluts, whereas men get branded as studs...
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yeah, I think what dantheman is really ...
yeah, I think what dantheman is really trying to ask is - 'do you get to see women naked? because if so count me in!'
//I think what dantheman is really ...
//I think what dantheman is really trying to ask is - 'do you get to see women naked?
Possibly. Although be aware that you may be considering bodies across the lifespan. So it could be a little more National Geographic than Penthouse.
However, I also suspect it's a little like studying "wine tourism" (a second year paper no less). If what you're really after is the naked booty/liquor, then there are far more efficient and cheap ways to get what you want than taking a university course in order to do it. (Note that I've necessarily followed by advice on this one -- in relation to wine, not naked booty, however).
//If what you're really after is the ...
//If what you're really after is the naked booty/liquor, then there are far more efficient and cheap ways to get what you want than taking a university course in order to do it.
What are you trying to do, Limegreen, clear out all Greek Vase courses?
Oh no. The average student has much to ...
Oh no. The average student has much to learn from the Greeks, especially in the study of Dionysus.
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//What do these courses ...
//What do these courses involve?//
they learn about the many different ways in which women have been and are exploited in the media, the female body as a passive "obejct of desire" packaged and sold in advertising for male consumption. How patriarchy still permeates through the whole of society to limit womens role to the monocultural mother/wife - appendage to a man. What this means is a bunch of people go to tutorials and talk about their lives and so on. Its all very unbiased, useful stuff.
//What do these courses involve? Do you ...
//What do these courses involve? Do you study like the body or their worth to the world or famous women or famous men or something?
Well, among other things you can watch porn and get credit for it. Sigh... academia.
//they learn about the many different ...
//they learn about the many different ways in which women have been and are exploited in the media, the female body as a passive "obejct of desire" packaged and sold in advertising for male consumption. How patriarchy still permeates through the whole of society to limit womens role to the monocultural mother/wife - appendage to a man. What this means is a bunch of people go to tutorials and talk about their lives and so on. Its all very unbiased, useful stuff.
Just need some bra burning and you'd have a feminist ralley.
1 2 3 4 we wont cook dinner anymore.
//1 2 3 4 we wont cook dinner anymore. ...
//1 2 3 4 we wont cook dinner anymore.
Oh Dan, sometimes I just don't know if I want to kiss you or punch you.
//Oh Dan, sometimes I just don't know ...
//Oh Dan, sometimes I just don't know if I want to kiss you or punch you.
:P.
3 4 5 6 ... Sorry not tonight hunny I have a headache.
perhaps sitting on the internet ...
perhaps sitting on the internet whinging all day is more productive than studying Arts?
noones paying for it...
noones paying for it
yes we are...
yes we are
haha...
haha
Oh Good LORD. What difference does it ...
Oh Good LORD. What difference does it make what someone you don't know studies?? That's big time g-hey.
And yes. I have a BA. And yes it's useless and never gonna be used and never going to make it out of the courier package but I paid off my loan and didn't hurt anyone in the process.
I too have a BA - the way I see it, ...
I too have a BA - the way I see it, it's really just a stepping stone on the way to bigger things. I'm working on an MA at the moment, and hope to continue from there.
Let us celebrate our BAs... not ...
Let us celebrate our BAs... not ridicule them!
*would cuddle hers but it's at her flat and she just moved out and hasn't got all her furniture yet and God this is so depressing.. . anyone need a flatmate?*
Sorry to spoil your BA reunion, but im ...
Sorry to spoil your BA reunion, but im a BHSC (Bachelor of Health Sciences) student. I have a few school-yard chums who are 'participating' in the BA (Bugger-All) degree and they do ABSOLUTELY nothing. I have got 4x3hr exams plus a few essays due while my friends in BA go out and drink, smoke and party all exam week and STILL pass *shakes fist in the air*
Other then this I have nothing against BA students :-P
//while my friends in BA go out and ...
//while my friends in BA go out and drink, smoke and party all exam week and STILL pass *shakes fist in the air*
I had friends like that doing BTech. Now I think about it, for the first two years *I* managed to do that...
////while my friends in BA go out and ...
////while my friends in BA go out and drink, smoke and party all exam week and STILL pass *shakes fist in the air*
Of course, you might just be more stupid than your friends.
//Of course, you might just be more ...
//Of course, you might just be more stupid than your friends.
That's the most likely explanation. I knew plenty of lazy perenially-drunk health science students. In fact, one of the excellent side benefits of a university education is knowing which doctors and dentists to avoid!!
I think it also often depends on ...
I think it also often depends on whether you're angling for a pass, or an A-pass.
//I think it also often depends on ...
//I think it also often depends on whether you're angling for a pass, or an A-pass.
Well all BA students are so loosely moralled that they're probably sleeping with their tutors anyway.
//Sorry to spoil your BA reunion, but ...
//Sorry to spoil your BA reunion, but im a BHSC (Bachelor of Health Sciences) student. I have a few school-yard chums who are 'participating' in the BA (Bugger-All) degree and they do ABSOLUTELY nothing//
because there isn't much to study. Say you're doing literature, your asked general questions in the exam about this or that, you interpretation, someones elses interpretation. All you have to do is, we all you can do..... is have read the book. Just remember recount the plots, characters, which duh you already know cause you read them during the semester, add in some external; interpretation bits (ie the foreword in the book, or the attached essay you got in the tutorial) some of your own opinion and that's it. Reading fiction is not study, the rest of it probably adds up to about 4 hours study total for one paper. Sorry if I've insuslted people here a bit, but what is there to do in these papers?
// did u do it right through? nah - ...
// did u do it right through?
nah - wish I had though. I got through the first year okay, but the year after that I started post-grad stuff (actual proper hard Arts papers) - and Russian, which was a 5-lecture a week, lots of revision, lots of exams and practicals sort-of-paper, was just too much extra work to keep up with.
the hardest type of engineering is ...
the hardest type of engineering is Computer Systems with Electrical. I hear that the people who fauil that go on to be civil engineers.
As for science, yeah most of it was memory and recall, except for chemistry and genetics where there is problem solving. Genetics 202, ohhh that was a worry paper.
// the hardest type of engineering is ...
// the hardest type of engineering is Computer Systems with Electrical.
Bahaha! The BTech (Computer Systems Engineering) I did 15 years ago was remarketed after I left as a bachelor of engineering - same papers, different name. I (just barely) passed the first two years doing shit-all. At least now I can reassure myself that the only reason I didn't get the bloody thing is because it's like a totally full-on degree, dude. Probably I would've passed my third year the first time if I'd actually gone to tutorials. Or lectures.
//the hardest type of engineering is ...
//the hardest type of engineering is Computer Systems with Electrical. I hear that the people who fauil that go on to be civil engineers.
I've definitely heard that civil is the easiest... but my canterbury spys suggesting that Mechanical with Fluid Dynamics is the hardest (there at least, although maybe he gave electrical some mention).
so heather are you saying it was easy ...
so heather are you saying it was easy (but you didn't study) or it was hard? By computer systems at auckland uni I mean designing curcuits on silcon chips, drawing up the thousands of gates, complilers, that kind of base level hardware rocket science stuff, obviousely combined with pure electrical engineering and programming papers. Cmputer science as I understand it in a Btech is programming and problem solving surrounding that.
circuits i meant, oh jeez...
circuits i meant, oh jeez
//so heather are you saying it was easy ...
//so heather are you saying it was easy (but you didn't study) or it was hard? By computer systems at auckland uni I mean designing curcuits on silcon chips, drawing up the thousands of gates, complilers, that kind of base level hardware rocket science stuff, obviousely combined with pure electrical engineering and programming papers.
That's exactly what it entailed. Of course it wasn't an easy course, possibly I did more work than I remember, and definitely most of my friends worked pretty hard for their A honours. But in retrospect, for the amount of work I did in my first two years, I deserved to pass as much as the soft-BA students you're complaining about. The main difference is that whatever shirkers you're complaining about now probably have a degree, whereas I don't. If I'd been studying toward a BSc I'd have it.
FWIW it was pretty much acknowledged that the hardest BTech major was Engineering and Automation, followed by Information Engineering, and Manufacturing and Industrial. Operations Research and Product Development were considered the "soft-tech" courses.
BTW, I agree with you about certain ...
BTW, I agree with you about certain elements of your argument, but your "all BAs are shit" proposal which even now underpins your posts is totally wrong. You yourself have admitted that there are specialist majors that require a lot of work.
Also, as far as your example soft BA courses go, I tend to think so what? I did a BTech because that's what interests me (and I bloody regret not putting in the effort to finish it). It's one thing to choose papers based on how easy they are, but that's all up to the conscience and intentions of the person doing it. But there are people that are really interested in english literature, or classics, or politics. If they get a piece of paper saying that they're good at it, why should you care? I think most of your complaints about easy BA courses are just driven by intellectual snobbery.
for other people/soceity paying for ...
for other people/soceity paying for people to take hobby/interest courses........ $16,000 - $4000 a year, that's $12,000 a year.....times 3 years (minimum) and you've got a $36,000 cost to the Government. That's a lot of money. They all better go write a really good play, book or script.
you could just go do some stage three ...
you could just go do some stage three programming papers at uni, and credit them to your Btech, without any more engineering stuff.
// That's a lot of money. They all ...
// That's a lot of money. They all better go write a really good play, book or script.
or get a job and become taxpayers? like most other non-arts graduates?
//you could just go do some stage three ...
//you could just go do some stage three programming papers at uni, and credit them to your Btech, without any more engineering stuff.
Huh? Already done them, it was part of the syllabus.
//hobby / interest
So basically your whole point is that everybody should only study something that's "useful" to them in the financial sense? Depressing, but not completely unreasonable, although I think you underestimate the validity of a whole bunch of topics.
Do you have the same problem with all my friends that studied law, but then got jobs in different areas? My BTech friend that got his degree to please his father and then went to work in a coffee shop and paint in his spare time? Or my friend that got his vet degree before becoming a computer programmer?
No what i mean is you could get your ...
No what i mean is you could get your Btech by doing more papers in compsci and crediting them to it, or if that's not possible, credit the papers you have to a new degree and do what you need to to finish it.
//No what i mean is you could get your ...
//No what i mean is you could get your Btech by doing more papers in compsci and crediting them to it, or if that's not possible, credit the papers you have to a new degree and do what you need to to finish it.
But since Heather already has a qualification and a job, wouldn't that just make her a damn hobbyist student? Man, I hope you write a good book, Heather.
It's ok, I already checked out all my ...
It's ok, I already checked out all my options. But no, I don't have a tertiary qualification, although 10 years experience is nearly as good as. Nearly.
You do realise that if you'd put a bit ...
You do realise that if you'd put a bit more effort into your arts papers you would be able to form a coherent argument, instead of re-hashing the same old drivel over and over again? You might even be able to re-butt a point! Or construct a reasonable argument.
If you'd actually put in some work, you might even have ended up with sufficient job and life satisfaction for you to become less of a bitching whiner.
There's just a little bit too much deja-vu for me.
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