BA = Bunch of Ass
I seriousely think that the government should stop funding most of the 'courses' that fall under a BA. That includes literature, sociology, film and media, anthropology, womens studies, geography, history (outside of the law), people management, other bunch of ass learn nothing useful or learn nothing at all but someones opinion courses. having done several papers in most of these areas I can without a doubt say that these courses are on the whole worthless to the idividual and society. I intend to pay the government and my parents back for the years mostly wasted in lectures learning jack.
*2 essays and one exam per semester is not work
*Shakespear is fine, but why whould other people pay for anyone to study it, and the terms study is loosely applied here, a year old could get a B for any of these papers.
*Stage three film - 3 years and I'd never bothered to see Godard film or an episode of twin peaks. Cause they're boring and I could get away with writing ass only about the stuff I liked.
*there are no grammatical standards for marking in arts. That is deliberate, makes it easy, bums on seats for next year. Oh no we don't want the fascist grammar police forcing their patriarchal man rules on the rest of us.
*arts students are nasty status conscoiuse shallow bores who do what they do *becuase* it's easy
*go to science and suddenly everyones a friend, cause we all have something in common - we all have work to do.
By my 20's ashamed for the time wasted, and yet arts graduates were the second most numerous group graduating in last years october ceremonies, ritht behind commerce.
Fuck arts.
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as I am going to take the easy one out being a good for nothing arts grad I'll cut to the chase.
Get bent motherfucker!
Should be easy 'way' but as no one penalizes us arts grads for grammar, spelling or semanitcs I guess I'm safe.
//Fuck arts
Fuck rdor's regurgitation of the same old arguments is getting boring. Is there anything you're not ashamed of?
20 Dec 04
do arts if you watn a three year holiday at university. That's about what you'll get out of it.
... arts is full of snobby fuck ups who messed around at school and just want it easy. Most other degrees have some practical use somewhere, they teach you something, whether boring or not.
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24 Feb 05
it's useless information, what use does that knowledge have, or what rather what use should it have if people left school to do usefull things and not write wnaky columns in a magazine or be a politician. It's bullshit, open to the poltical manipulation... anyone can use history to prove some point that really originated in their own opinions... what a waste of time.
[ www.nzmusic.com/topic.cfm?i=12060 ]
// 2 essays and one exam per semester is not work
even better was French 107: Medieval Romantic Literature. 2 (short) essays and no exam.
i had a third or fourth year computer science exam share a room with a first year french class once. im not sure that many computer scientists passed.
Stop it, your self-loathing is turning me on.
where's the self loathing?, I made a mistake, enrolled later in a Bsc and payed for it myself working part time/full time. Happy about that.
//, womens studies,
Are there mens studies?
Yes. Although a lot of universities now have gender studies programs which do both.
What do these courses involve? Do you study like the body or their worth to the world or famous women or famous men or something?
Although it is not as obvious now, there have been enormous changes in the roles than men and women play in society, especially in the last hundred years. In fact, rather amusingly, the concept of gender equality is so well entrenched that some of the anti-PC brigade get wound up when women aren't given the same rights as men (which 20 years ago might have been considered PC itself).
As well as history, there's stuff on what it means to be a man, or what it means to be a woman. Like why do men often like powertools, but not really go in for make-up? Or why is it that women tend to get branded as sluts, whereas men get branded as studs...
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yeah, I think what dantheman is really trying to ask is - 'do you get to see women naked? because if so count me in!'
//I think what dantheman is really trying to ask is - 'do you get to see women naked?
Possibly. Although be aware that you may be considering bodies across the lifespan. So it could be a little more National Geographic than Penthouse.
However, I also suspect it's a little like studying "wine tourism" (a second year paper no less). If what you're really after is the naked booty/liquor, then there are far more efficient and cheap ways to get what you want than taking a university course in order to do it. (Note that I've necessarily followed by advice on this one -- in relation to wine, not naked booty, however).
//If what you're really after is the naked booty/liquor, then there are far more efficient and cheap ways to get what you want than taking a university course in order to do it.
What are you trying to do, Limegreen, clear out all Greek Vase courses?
Oh no. The average student has much to learn from the Greeks, especially in the study of Dionysus.
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/dionysus ]
//What do these courses involve?//
they learn about the many different ways in which women have been and are exploited in the media, the female body as a passive "obejct of desire" packaged and sold in advertising for male consumption. How patriarchy still permeates through the whole of society to limit womens role to the monocultural mother/wife - appendage to a man. What this means is a bunch of people go to tutorials and talk about their lives and so on. Its all very unbiased, useful stuff.
//What do these courses involve? Do you study like the body or their worth to the world or famous women or famous men or something?
Well, among other things you can watch porn and get credit for it. Sigh... academia.
//they learn about the many different ways in which women have been and are exploited in the media, the female body as a passive "obejct of desire" packaged and sold in advertising for male consumption. How patriarchy still permeates through the whole of society to limit womens role to the monocultural mother/wife - appendage to a man. What this means is a bunch of people go to tutorials and talk about their lives and so on. Its all very unbiased, useful stuff.
Just need some bra burning and you'd have a feminist ralley.
1 2 3 4 we wont cook dinner anymore.
//1 2 3 4 we wont cook dinner anymore.
Oh Dan, sometimes I just don't know if I want to kiss you or punch you.
//Oh Dan, sometimes I just don't know if I want to kiss you or punch you.
:P.
3 4 5 6 ... Sorry not tonight hunny I have a headache.
perhaps sitting on the internet whinging all day is more productive than studying Arts?
noones paying for it
yes we are
haha
Oh Good LORD. What difference does it make what someone you don't know studies?? That's big time g-hey.
And yes. I have a BA. And yes it's useless and never gonna be used and never going to make it out of the courier package but I paid off my loan and didn't hurt anyone in the process.
I too have a BA - the way I see it, it's really just a stepping stone on the way to bigger things. I'm working on an MA at the moment, and hope to continue from there.
Let us celebrate our BAs... not ridicule them!
*would cuddle hers but it's at her flat and she just moved out and hasn't got all her furniture yet and God this is so depressing.. . anyone need a flatmate?*
Sorry to spoil your BA reunion, but im a BHSC (Bachelor of Health Sciences) student. I have a few school-yard chums who are 'participating' in the BA (Bugger-All) degree and they do ABSOLUTELY nothing. I have got 4x3hr exams plus a few essays due while my friends in BA go out and drink, smoke and party all exam week and STILL pass *shakes fist in the air*
Other then this I have nothing against BA students :-P
//while my friends in BA go out and drink, smoke and party all exam week and STILL pass *shakes fist in the air*
I had friends like that doing BTech. Now I think about it, for the first two years *I* managed to do that...
////while my friends in BA go out and drink, smoke and party all exam week and STILL pass *shakes fist in the air*
Of course, you might just be more stupid than your friends.
//Of course, you might just be more stupid than your friends.
That's the most likely explanation. I knew plenty of lazy perenially-drunk health science students. In fact, one of the excellent side benefits of a university education is knowing which doctors and dentists to avoid!!
I think it also often depends on whether you're angling for a pass, or an A-pass.
//I think it also often depends on whether you're angling for a pass, or an A-pass.
Well all BA students are so loosely moralled that they're probably sleeping with their tutors anyway.
//Sorry to spoil your BA reunion, but im a BHSC (Bachelor of Health Sciences) student. I have a few school-yard chums who are 'participating' in the BA (Bugger-All) degree and they do ABSOLUTELY nothing//
because there isn't much to study. Say you're doing literature, your asked general questions in the exam about this or that, you interpretation, someones elses interpretation. All you have to do is, we all you can do..... is have read the book. Just remember recount the plots, characters, which duh you already know cause you read them during the semester, add in some external; interpretation bits (ie the foreword in the book, or the attached essay you got in the tutorial) some of your own opinion and that's it. Reading fiction is not study, the rest of it probably adds up to about 4 hours study total for one paper. Sorry if I've insuslted people here a bit, but what is there to do in these papers?
You do realise that if you'd put a bit more effort into your arts papers you would be able to form a coherent argument, instead of re-hashing the same old drivel over and over again? You might even be able to re-butt a point! Or construct a reasonable argument.
If you'd actually put in some work, you might even have ended up with sufficient job and life satisfaction for you to become less of a bitching whiner.
There's just a little bit too much deja-vu for me.
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And to underline this, if you compare your lack of scholarship and superficial depth of understanding (as someone who should have the benefit of both arts and sciences) with iluvtheclean. The arts grad wipes the floor with your lazy arse.
//You might even be able to re-butt a point! //
what point? what is your point? What specific skills does being better aquanted with 20th century literature give you? Certainly not writing skills, you'd learn the same in any course where you had to hand in assignments, reports, essays. Why won't you admit that most you can get is knowledge based on personal interest. These are hooby, interest subjects, but they still give 2 points per paper just like any chemistry, accounting, or engineering paper whould give.
//lack of scholarship and superficial depth of understanding//
well that's all opinion isn't it
granted my posts are hastily typed out peices of crap, but I think you have failed to address a point, if there is any, as much as I have.
// What specific skills does being better aquanted with 20th century literature give you?
critical thinking. But we've been over this before.
//well that's all opinion isn't it
It certainly is. However, I think I'm reasonably qualified to give an informed opinion on this.
//critical thinking.//
about what, what speicific issues are debated. My experience was that it just canvased other peoples opinions on this or that characters motive, the central issues of the text etc. Even if you had your own opinion and could argue it validly....so what?
// Even if you had your own opinion and could argue it validly....so what?
So what? Jesus, you could apply that to anything. You can build a bridge ... so what?
Well, I wrote a post, but then I got bored. Actually, I'm beginning to think that rdor has a point. As far as non-specialist degrees go, it's difficult to argue that they're worth more than just the fact that it's easier to get a job if you have a degree..
rdor, limegreen and iluvtheclean are all pretty good examples in this respect - limegreen and iluvtheclean chose a BA, and ended up with qualifications in fields that stimulated and challenged them. However, even if neither had done a BA, or even gone to university, they most likely would've found stimulating and challenging career paths, and developed the same solid research-based and critical thinking skills that they both now exhibit. rdor also studied and got a degree, but I propose that he's still pretty much the narrow-minded whiny little bitch he was when he started. No amount of tertiary education is going to change that.
//well that's all opinion isn't it
Frank, is that you? Way to knock that chick up. I hope you're going to give Pip your flava too.
[ http://www.idolblog.com/node/2002882 ]
//you could apply that to anything. You can build a bridge ... so what?//
you then have a bridge
//research-based and critical thinking skills//
like, you know, going through a few databases or public records, sifting through the information, drawing some conclusion s and referencing them properly in your report to whoever. And it takes three years to learn that. {* : *} Wowsers
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As opposed to your method of making shit up?
haha nice. Nice critical thinking.
//As far as non-specialist degrees go, it's difficult to argue that they're worth more than just the fact that it's easier to get a job if you have a degree.
I think more you get out what you put in. And as rdor so effectively illustrates, he put jackshit in, and got jackshit out. A degree is not some sort of standardised output that you "buy" when you pay your fees. And this applies to specialist degrees as much as non-specialist degrees. I know a few people who studied engineering, and the one who got fascinated by it, got really involved in it, and started getting involved in additional stuff beyond his coursework has a much more interesting and satsifying job. Building bridges for example. The people who hardly bother in their engineering courses are going to spend their time designing cow underpasses and small bridges over creeks, while the people that get stuck in will end up designing the odd Otira Viaduct or a Harbour Bridge. And I think you can find parallels with most any degree. (There's also the notable exception that sometimes people choose lifestyle/working with people over hard-out challenging work, e.g. GP v. specialist, family court lawyer v. QC)
//going through a few databases or public records, sifting through the information, drawing some conclusion s and referencing them properly in your report to whoever. And it takes three years to learn that.
Not even, au. That's probably a fair summary of first year courses (in any discipline). After that, it's about the quality of your conclusions. Critical thinking is the difference between regurgitating stuff from commentaries and textbooks (what it appears you did), and actually going beyond that.