Lost in Translation

Yes, sometimes I feel like this... but that's not the reason of my post.

Yesterday I watched for a third time the movie Lost in Translation (yes, I like this movie, any problem?!) by Sofia Coppola with Bill Murray and Scarlet Johansson and I wished to share with you how I like the movie and the soundtrack. Days ago I download this soundtrack, and since then some of the songs are the best thing for listening in the road driving to my work.
1. Intro/Tokyo
2. City Girl - Kevin Shields
3. Fantino - Sebastian Tellier
4. Tommib - Squarepusher
5. Girls - Death In Vegas
6. Goodbye - Kevin Shields
7. Too Young - Phoenix
8. Kaze Wo Atsumete - Happy End
9. On The Subway - Brian Reitzell & Roger J Manning Jr
10. Ikebana - Kevin Shields
11. Sometimes - My Bloody Valentine
12. Alone In Kyoto - Air
13. Shibuya - Brian Reitzell & Roger J Manning Jr
14. Are You Awake? - Kevin Shields
15. Just Like Honey - The Jesus & Mary Chain

I would stand out that song in japanese (Haze wo atsumete), that extra Bill Murray Karaoke at the end of the song of Jesus and Mary Chain, Too young (Phoneix) and well, all those ambient music included. I just know some song of Phoneix. Maybe some of you have more references. Any advice?

And for those of you who have seen this movie... what do you thing he tells her at the end of the movie?

I like it. I have to travel overseas.

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Yeah, great soundtrack- First Kevin Shields output for ages.

RE last line of the film- I think the whole point is that it doesn't really matter what he says- although I've got to admit, I tried cheating by watching the ending with subtitles turned on. Wanna know what it says?

(mumbling)

he's probably talking about making a plateamacaroni.

haw haw haw! sorry, in-joke with 'Last Days' thread.

//I tried cheating by watching the ending with subtitles turned on
ha!! I did the same!

and yeah, for sure it doesn't care what he say, that's the point ... but anyway I have been imagining different possibilities.

//RE last line of the film-

I read some interview with Scarlett Johannsen and she said she didn't want to break the spell by sharing, but what he said to her genuinely made her cry like that.

//made her cry like that
without hearing it, it also made me cry.... that's why it's so good.

Well, I DO want to know what he said to her, foetusboy! Please! I watched it for the first time last night. I loved it, but then I'm pretty fond of Bill Murray. I was interested to see you say that your friend thought it was racist, Jet. I'm with Heather on this. You see Tokyo the way each of the two main characters see it - that's most dramatically illustrated in scenes like when Bob goes to the nightclub with Charlotte. There's all those weird patterns, and a swirly, hazy, strange cinematographic thing going on. I can relate to standing in a nightclub full of people in their twenties and feeling like that. Charlotte's Tokyo is beautiful, Bob's is harrassing........but for both of them it's lonely, until they connect with each other. Anyway, I thought it was great.

I didn't see the point in making a romance where the characters are so distant and unengaging.

Unengaging?? what movie were you watching???

I think that was sort of the point. That is Coppola's style...it was Coppola who directed it right? If my memory serves me correctly. Anyways, that sort of natural, floaty cinematography is what creates the somewhat transient tone of the movie. I think it was supposed to feel that way. It was asking you, like, how well do you know the people you think you know? I think it was...ugh and I hate to use this word due to pretentious movie-critique context but...it was "poignant"....

I can see how someone would find it unengaging. Pretty quiet and as with most American movies that get labelled as art-house or whatever it's very, very self-centred. Or "reflective" if that's a more ameliorative way to put it. Either way, if you're in a "shit, just get over yourselves" mood it's probably excruciating.

I love it. One of the very few movies I own (admittedly all are gifts - I never have the urge to own a movie) and I've watched it probably a dozen times now.

One of my closest friends in the world, someone whose opinion I care about a lot, finds the movie racist. Which always niggles at me in various scenes. Some of the thing's Bob says seem a bit racist to me, which is not the same as a racist movie, but I dunno... it fucks with my guilty, liberal sentiments from time to time. Heh.

Actually, I just got a haircut from a Japanese woman who asked me if I'd seen the movie, saying it's an accurate taster for what it really is like in Tokyo...

And yes Amine, it is directed by Coppola - being Sofia not Francis. So her style has only established itself over two full length movies, from memory, but both are pretty slow and dreamy. I saw a clip once of her fronting an extreme sports show on American TV. She seems to have had a bit of a shit run, what with the massive (justified) slamming she got for her acting and so on. I'm glad she's made a couple of cool films.

I also saw a newspaper article last week that said she's working on a second movie with Kirsten Dunst, but I don't remember any other details.

//One of my closest friends in the world, someone whose opinion I care about a lot, finds the movie racist. Which always niggles at me in various scenes. Some of the thing's Bob says seem a bit racist to me, which is not the same as a racist movie, but I dunno... it fucks with my guilty, liberal sentiments from time to time. Heh.

Yeah, I've heard that before, but I think it's unfair. Bill's version of Japan is pretty derogatory - all silly commercials, mad prostitutes, weird shouty tv personalities and plastic - but that reflects him as this old jaded cynic more than the city he's in; and it's rebalanced perfectly with youthful romantic Scarlett's version - a stunningly beautiful, ancient and dignified culture. So the overwhelming theme for me wasn't a racist view of the place, but just that while both experienced completely different versions of Japan, they could still both relate to each other in their detachment from this alien world.

//asked me if I'd seen the movie, saying it's an accurate taster for what it really is like in Tokyo...

I'll say now that the Virgin Suicides bored me to tears, but I could feel the oppressive summer heat and claustrophobia of it, Sofia Coppola got the atmosphere of it exactly right, and that's the same with Lost in Translation. I cried bucketfuls while watching the movie not because of the storyline really, but more because I could smell Tokyo when I was watching it, and if you know anything about me you'll know that living there was the worst four years of my life, and having all of those memories thurst up into my senses again was no fun. But yes, kudos to Miss Coppola for capturing that so achingly well.

Bah, I watched this under some of the worst circumstances imaginable, so I can't find anything redeeming to comment on. I just wanted to say hello to Jo ;-)

//I can't find anything redeeming to comment on. I just wanted to say hello to Jo ;-)

You just think that the girl that I watched it with is cute!

I do? Hot dang.

Saxzo if you're asking about references re: the music, rather than the movie, Kevin Shields fronted the band My Bloody Valentine. 'Soon' is off their second album, 'Loveless', which came out in .. 90? They basically vanished after a few compilation appearances, following that. 'Soon' and the Shields track that's a song ('City Girl'?) are pretty indicative of what MBV sounded like.

From memory, 'Like Honey' was off Jesus & Mary Chain's biggest album, 'Psychocandy', which was from the mid-80s. Mags like NME and Melody Maker slagged off MBV for being Mary Chain rip off artists. If you want to dig into MBV-like bands, there was a whole wave of stuff like this. It gets called "shoe gazer" and big bands were eg. Spacemen 3, Ride, Loop, Slowdive, Chapterhouse.. maybe Galaxie 500..

Air's contribution is also the last track on their most recent album, 'Talkie Walkie'. Maybe you've heard songs from their first album, like 'Sexy Boy' or 'Kelly Watch The Stars'? They were kinda big in certain circles.

Dunno about the others.

I think I am the only person in the world who didn't like this movie.

Then again, I also highly rate Robin Hood Men in Tights...

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I didn't like it. It made me terribly depressed.

Let's bee friends.

"B, E, E."

Spellbound on the other hand was totally rad.

Though I suppose spelling it out doesn't work when you already wrote "bee", oh im such a failure.

You were supPOSED to say "and it has a picture of a beeeeee on it"

Or a reference to trains.

But, well, you've got a lotta moxy.

Mmm. Moxy.

I humbly apologise, for my error, can I ever be forgiven?

Yeah... *sigh*... I GUESS.

I just got this out, it was quite depressing, not my thing. And face it it belittled the japanese/asians, ie they aren't the deep, emotional like we are, us being the real people. Just a funny backdrop, a real copout as far as that's concerned. Belittle the other race to make the main characters seem that much more important

emotional beings, I meant.

oops

I didn't pick up on anything racist. The irreconcilable void in the lives of the main characters made it impossible for them to connect with their environment, which just happened to be Tokyo. As we rely on our main characters for their perception of the place, it wouldn't have made sense for Tokyo or it's inhabitants to suddenly acquire depth or meaning, apart from what they give it through the narrative of the story. I actually thought it was refreshing to have a western film set in the east without the typical western film clichés, e.g. a chase scene cutting through a Japanese parade with dragons etc....

Yeah if the words 'distant' or 'unengaging' don't do it for you try the word 'slight'. You might even call it 'the Dick Tracy syndrome' or the 'I went to the movie after reading about it and the review contained more rewarding information than the film.' problem.

Don't get me wrong, I can see that Murray is trying to restyle himself as a mature actor (he is). There's plenty of quirky, small scale films I have seen recently that bear repeated viewings (The Life Aquatic, Napoleon Dynamite) , Translation just isn't one of them.

"....I opened the refridgerator door and a voice said 'Zuul'."