McGuire's husband, American folk singing star Barry McGuire, has been refused permanent residency because the service says his age - 70 - and heart condition would make him a burden on the health system. McGuire, who had a US No 1 hit in 1965 with the anti-war song Eve of Destruction, has a pacemaker.
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Thats pretty pathetic on behalf on NZ ...
Thats pretty pathetic on behalf on NZ if you ask - as the guy said, we've been happily taxing his international income for the last years but he's not allowed to come and live here (and he has had residency before from looking at that article).
WTF is wrong with immigration?
//The couple's $1 million-plus home - ...
//The couple's $1 million-plus home - built on the Whangaparaoa Peninsula north of Auckland 18 months ago - goes up for auction today. They will return to California.
I like that part.
If this was a family who were struggling and couldn't pay, I would understand, But they aren't.
Yeah dude, I fucking HATE those cunts ...
Yeah dude, I fucking HATE those cunts that are successful enough to afford to live where they want to, in a nice place. Sure, maybe it's the result of working hard his whole life (the man is 70 years old) but fuck that, dude. If he'd have been poor that would be like, so much better. Go home rich arseholes!
i thought if you were married to a kiwi ...
i thought if you were married to a kiwi you were allowed residency?????
i don't think we should let anyone that old in to NZ by themselves, but he's been married to a kiwi for that many years(and he's been paying tax here), surely he should be allowed - he should be granted full citizenship if he wants it.
//i thought if you were married to a ...
//i thought if you were married to a kiwi you were allowed residency?????
If you marry a healthy one then yes.
??he should be granted full citizenship ...
??he should be granted full citizenship if he wants it.
If he was healthy he would, but apparently they see him as a risk.
it doesn't matter whether he's a risk ...
it doesn't matter whether he's a risk or not in this case - he's more than earned his right. . .
the rule's there for people who won't make a contribution to our society - clearly this guy already has..
Should have applied for citizenship ...
Should have applied for citizenship sooner, before he become a risk.
but really....how much of a risk to the ...
but really....how much of a risk to the health system would he be? chances are he'd be insured up to the hilt and have private healthcare....just make that one of the conditions of hi citizen ship.
i can see what immigration are trying to do (remember how up in arms people got when they found out that people where coming here on "childbirth holidays?), but this really is wrong
For f*cks sake. IMHO, anyone who ...
For f*cks sake.
IMHO, anyone who pays taxes in NZ deserve the right to health care. They're earning it.
In McGuire's case, when you're talking about a noteworthy personality with a background in charity work & a huge passive income, and the fact that he can probably afford private anyway, where is the risk to the tax payer? Where is this 'fine line between public cost VS public good' in McGuire's case?
Because if he were to have a stroke or ...
Because if he were to have a stroke or some shit it would cost to keep him alive and rehab and all the other shit that goes with it. maybe heart transplant in an extreme case.
If he wanted residency why the fuck not apply for it in the 1980s when they fucken lived here for 6 years?
He would have got it if he had applied when he was healthy but now because he may end up costing the tax payers more money than he has fucken earned he has been denied.
Yes it is an unfair ruling but hey thats life.
and NZ is fucken easy to get ...
and NZ is fucken easy to get citizenship in, to get a 6 month visa in China you have to fucken sit through medical tests and all that kinda shit for a fucken 6 month VISA that isnt even residency, the USA is fucken hard as well.
//to get a 6 month visa in China you ...
//to get a 6 month visa in China you have to fucken sit through medical tests and all that kinda shit for a fucken 6 month VISA that isnt even residency
=lies
//and NZ is fucken easy to get ...
//and NZ is fucken easy to get citizenship in,
Apparently quite the opposite - we have some of the most stringent entry level requirements in the world.
/and NZ is fucken easy to get ...
/and NZ is fucken easy to get citizenship in
Errr, not.
Maybe we should write our new minister of immigration a sternly worded letter...
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/it would cost to keep him alive and ...
/it would cost to keep him alive and rehab and all the other shit that goes with it. maybe heart transplant in an extreme case.
My point was that when you're as wealthy as McGuire, you can afford a private healthcare plan- there's no need to rely on the public sector. So no cost to NZ if things do go belly-up. Doesn't that seem logical enough?
The system is set up like this to stop people immigrating to NZ purely to take the p!ss out of public health care. Fine, but in McGuire's case you've got someone who has paid the country $$$$$ in tax already, and can afford better than public. How would you feel? Still tough luck, mate?
//to get a 6 month visa in China you ...
//to get a 6 month visa in China you have to fucken sit through medical tests and all that kinda shit for a fucken 6 month VISA that isnt even residency
//= Lies
Oh that's not what NZ Customs told me...
NZ IS a shit load easier than a lot of other countries in the world.
uhhh...I'm pretty sure rope would know ...
uhhh...I'm pretty sure rope would know first-hand how hard it is to get into china.
I suspect the difference is between policy and execution. Most countries have a lot of rules, but when it comes to the crunch, they're not going to be banging on your door two days after your visa's expired. From what I've heard if, say, a Chinese student *does* hang around for even a couple of days after their visa's expired and then leave the country, they run a pretty good risk of not being allowed back in. I can't imagine the same would be true in most larger countries, just for the bulk of people they get entering and leaving. They can't realistically keep tabs on (and deport) every single person that fudges the rules a little. That was definitely the case in the UK. New Zealand has a small enough intake that they can be a lot more fussy.
//I'm pretty sure rope would know ...
//I'm pretty sure rope would know first-hand how hard it is to get into china.
I would think that customs know the protocals pretty well also.
//But like the States I am not aware ...
//But like the States I am not aware that you can only stay here for 90 days then you must leave etc for visitors. In that sense it is easier to get visas here
The Yanks make you jump through hoops for little gain, I can tell you. As I've mentioned previously, I have to fly myself to Auckland for an interview (that costs $160) because I'm spending 90 mins in their piece of shit airport before travelling to an adjacent country and staying there more than 90 days.
You really don't need to argue this ...
You really don't need to argue this point, dantheman. Customs said getting into China's a bitch. rope went to china and it wasn't a bitch. Also, my ex-husband went to china and it wasn't a bitch (and with all due respect to him, if he can get to China then *anyone* can, at least anyone with a crummy BA).
I'm not saying your customs contact is lying or misguided; just that the word of customs isn't necessarily the best way to judge how difficult a country is to get into. For starters, kiwi customs are responsible for upholding kiwi customs requirements - not chinese.
Secondly, bear in mind it's in the best interests of all customs/immigration departments all over the world to uphold the ideals of their country's immigration policy - basically to make it sound difficult as all hell to get into any country. No official in their right mind would tell anyone that some protocols tolerate a little flexibility.
...oh, didn't think to ask - what did ...
...oh, didn't think to ask - what did your customs contact tell you about the protocol of foreigners getting into NZ? Did they actually say it was way easier?
//what did your customs contact tell ...
//what did your customs contact tell you about the protocol of foreigners getting into NZ? Did they actually say it was way easier?
Customs Team leader actually,he was my "Boss" when I worked there. Easier compared to other countries.
// my ex-husband went to china and it ...
// my ex-husband went to china and it wasn't a bitch (and with all due respect to him, if he can get to China then *anyone* can, at least anyone with a crummy BA).
Stinger.How old are you?
oh, just spotted this...//Maybe we ...
oh, just spotted this...//Maybe we should write our new minister of immigration a sternly worded letter...
Not to worry foetusboy, he's minister of foreign affairs, a different thing. Basically it means he has to go overseas and schmooze up to the types of people he's been slagging off, on their own turf. I think it'll be good for him.
//easier than other countries
...interesting. Is that in the immigration sense of getting a visa in the first place? Or the customs sense, of (not) denying people when they've arrived? Or both?
Pretty sure he was talking about ...
Pretty sure he was talking about Visas,while I was there we had 1 family staying for 3 days in the arrival "hotel" bit because their passports were dodgey and, they were denied.
But like the States I am not aware that you can only stay here for 90 days then you must leave etc for visitors. In that sense it is easier to get visas here. I could be mistaken though or the customs officer could have been talking shit.
Wait till Winston gets his hands on ...
Wait till Winston gets his hands on immigration, it will be impossible for anyone to get in here
chinese are bad drivers......
chinese are bad drivers...
/Basically it means he has to go ...
/Basically it means he has to go overseas and schmooze up to the types of people he's been slagging off, on their own turf. I think it'll be good for him.
Sorry 'bout that chief, I thought he had immigration too for some reason- my mistake.
I felt sick when I learned he had foreign affairs though. Good for him, maybe... good for NZ, though?
/and NZ is fucken easy to get ...
/and NZ is fucken easy to get citizenship in
Dan, I think you're mixing up visitor visas with permanent residency- your examples are a wee bit confusing. It would be a different story if you knew plenty of people who had successfully applied for permanent residence/citizenship. I can only think of two people who have successfully applied for citizenship in my whole life.
one was by marriage, and that wasn't 'fuckin easy'; they were asked to verify in every way that the marriage was lawful; provide character statements, evidence that they co-habitate, all sorts... everything was gone over with a fine toothed comb as immigration looked for any inconsistencies.
The other was a fully qualified ex microsoft IT consultant from the states, earning $$$$$$$ per year on a work to residency visa, and that wasn't 'fuckin easy' either, in spite of his income/obvious worth to the industry, he was kept on hold month after month after month as immigration verified his application point by point, passed it from one person to the next- he called repeatedly to check it's progress and always got the answerphone...
I can't think of a single example of someone who got 'easy residency'. Can you?
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