Most people probably don't give a flying fuck about fee increases. But is it right for the Uni (who are holding the actual fee seeting during the last week of exams)
http://s6.invisionfree.com/Craccum/index.php?s=aa2484c2d6070ec14c3024023...
http://news.google.co.nz/news?hl=en&ned=nz&ie=UTF-8&ncl=http://www.stuff...
Is it right for the uni to debate this and try to actively stop that debate getting through to the students themselves? Shouldn't this be a subject debated in the open rather than behind confidential closed doors?
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Isn't this covered by some sort of ...
Isn't this covered by some sort of high court injuction?
just the salient article which is a ...
just the salient article which is a really nice way for salient to take away attention from critic winning all of the aspa awards eh
Candole - load of bollocks. Critic ...
Candole - load of bollocks. Critic would do the same in a second.
//But is it right for the Uni (who are ...
//But is it right for the Uni (who are holding the actual fee seeting during the last week of exams)
Most universities set there fees during exams or around that time. Allegedly it's because that's when they information is usually ready (I know Otago sent out provisional registration forms this week, and they have them back before they set fees).
//Is it right for the uni to debate this and try to actively stop that debate getting through to the students themselves?
The faceless "they" have yet to debate this. From what I've read, the documents concerned are discussion papers for people to read before the debate begins, outlining some options...
//Shouldn't this be a subject debated in the open rather than behind confidential closed doors?
Yes and No. If the 10% increase is merely something they're considering as an emergency case, and they end up going "Nah that's crap", then it's probably better that that is not public. It's kind of like brainstorming, you don't want every last batty idea seen. The final actual debate will be public... but there's not usually a lot of choice presented in that debate.
I don't know what Vic's VC is like, but they do raise a good point. The Fee Maxima system is really crap. The government isn't giving the universities any more money, but it's not letting them raise their fees to compensate for the increased costs, so there is a lot of bleeding going on somewhere. Fee Maxima was also really tough for university's that had been offering cheap-ish fees, in that they've ended up permanently trapped cheaper than other universities. (And now that they no longer want as many students as possible, this is not happy for them).
I'm also sick of whinging about fees being raised while universities are running surpluses. But I don't hear anybody much at Otago complaining about the new library. It was probably 5-10 years worth of surpluses saved up. So while it is a surplus in that it hasn't been spent yet, it will be spent.
All that said, taking a high court injunction seems really stupid. Vic has got a million times more publicity than it probably would have otherwise. And it will only make students bitterer.
what was wrong with the old library?...
what was wrong with the old library?
// what was wrong with the old ...
// what was wrong with the old library?
It was too small. It was built when the university had perhaps 3,000 students versus the current 20,000. The old library had been designed to be extended (up). However, when it was being built, somebody was like "Man, this all seems to be overengineered, there's no reason why we need to have such extreme strength". Except that the books weigh hundreds of tonnes. D'oh.
So the new library is enormously bigger (4-6X the size I'd guess), plus lots of whizzy new features. To put it in perspective, half of the old library was preserved, and now contains only the journals and a computer suite pretty much (whereas before that same area held all the books, all the journals, the reference section and some of the offices). I try to avoid the library as much as possible, but I don't think you'd find many who think it wasn't money well spent.
hey did anybody hear about the VUW vs. ...
hey did anybody hear about the VUW vs. Salient case on the news tonight? ill be posting something on y site about this tomorrow or Wednesday - watch this space.
No!!! What happened? Is it something ...
No!!! What happened? Is it something completely different from this topic right here?
this would be quite entertaining if it ...
this would be quite entertaining if it wasn't quite so tragic and stupid
" Unless we have a satisfactory response from you by 9.00am tomorrow, Tuesday 4 October 2005, we will proceed to seek further High Court Orders."
The letter is dated 3 October. I [Keith Ng] called the courier, who informed me that the letter was delivered at 8:51am on today, 4 October."
"We put the story on the ASPA newswire on Thursday, as we always do, because that's when everyone goes to print. Vic filed the injunction, ex parte (i.e. they didn't tell us), on Friday, and it wasn't served to us until we asked for it and went and got it ourselves on Sunday evening. If we hadn't taken the initiative, it would have been served to us on Monday morning, four or five hours before we were due in court."
"Perhaps Otago should replace "Get Over It!" with "We won't gag you!"?"
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