:"Yes, there has been a recent poll spike in favor of tax cuts. But health remains the number one issue for the largest number of those polled, and education is not far behind. The Green Party deserves support from young people and their parents for your commitment to universal student allowances, tackling fees, and reducing student debt. As long as voters see tax cuts as there for the taking, and coming at no cost, then of course they will be tempted. Over the next couple of months they need to understand what that cost is."
Speech to Green Party Conference, Laila Harré, Queens Birthday Weekend 2005, Christchurch
I'd just like to take this opportunity to say that *anyone* that's keen on a labour-greens coalition should be party voting Green, not Labour. And if the Greens miss out on the 5% threshold, then it'll seriously dent Labour's chances of governing again as well.
I guess the same goes for National voters and ...eerrr...well, I'm not quite sure, really...who are National's coalition options?
Here endeth the sum total of my electioneering. Wake me when it's over.
I've heard on blogs that some people believe that Party votes are "transferred" to other parties if the one you vote for doesn't get in. This is simply not the case.
The proportionality of parliament is determined by the party votes garnered by parties who reach the 5% threshold and/or win an electorate seat.
If the party you vote for does not win an electorate and doesn't make the 5% theshold then your party vote is not counted at all.
And, people, please vote. This is your chance to have a say in how the country is run. It's important. Please vote.
//I've heard on blogs that some people believe that Party votes are "transferred" to other parties if the one you vote for doesn't get in. This is simply not the case.
I think it's to do with the proportional adjustment that's made when excluding votes for parties that didn't make the threshold. While it's not the intention, the effect is that the total invalid proportion of votes (for non-5% parties) is divvied up between the parties that did get in, depending on the proportion of votes the successful parties already got.
Personally I can (finally) understand the advantage of an STV system - under MMP for example, if 4.5% of people voted for the free-doughnuts-for-all party on the left, and only 1.5% voted for the tax-returns-for-people-that-pay-for-their-own-bodyguards party on the right, that split in left-right preference (and the assumption that 75% of the excluded votes rather Labour won), counts for nothing.
Of course, it's a moot point if the left/right fringe votes reflect the left/right split that does get in government, which is probably likely. Besides, it really just has the same outcome as not voting at all. And of course I wouldn't be crying into my cereal if the greens got in and winston and rodney didn't.
Actually, I'm quite slacked off that this has become so much of a two-horse race. I really like that our government can incorporate a varying number of viewpoints, left and right alike. But mainly left. And not winston.
//And, people, please vote. This is your chance to have a say in how the country is run. It's important. Please vote.
Man I hate voting, the cynic in me always tells me that my one vote won’t make a squats worth of difference, plus I’m an undecided voter, all parties have their pros & cons and I have trouble weighing them up, I just wish they would each just come out with what their parties are planning to do & how they’re planning to do it, rather than bitching about pamphlets & what’s wrong with the parties – actually I do know for sure that Act are not getting a vote from me purely because of what I got in the mail from them – a pamphlet bitching about Winston Peters / NZ first, yet it said nothing at all about what they stand for. In fact all I could work out is that Acts only policy is to get rid of Winnie (although that may not be a bad thing?)
. . . But I do always vote cause then I feel I’ve got the right to bitch about the government at the lunch table
Scary to think I’m not the only one who’ll make up my mind on the day . . . .
Hell, I’ll tell you what needs to happen in this great country –
The LugHead Hill Street Homies & I will take over the government in a military coup, we’ll install dantheman as our puppet dictator and things will be done my way and you’ll all bloody well like it, for any tricky stuff that I know diddley about, decisions will be made based on the relating nzmusic poll, unless I change my mind.
I'm trying not to mess with my flatmate too much, who is teetering on the edge of voting National... she'd vote for them just to spite me, or not vote Green/Labour just because she know's it's what I'd prefer her to do.
I try and tell that if she's basing her vote on any reaction to my own beliefs, then she's really not voting for what she believes in herself. e.g, voting to spite me involves as little free will as voting to agree with me. Geddit?
I hate that we have this situation in the first place, I'd much rather she just made her mind up and VOTED and didn't discuss politics with me ever... she's a farmer's daughter so it was always going to be a struggle twisting her arm too much towards the left.
For someone who has a higher than average interest in politics, I particularly hate election times. It brings out the worst in politicians, both the ones that I like, and the ones that I like rather less.
I'm also extremely annoyed by the latest Brethren Brochure. It has a big fat logical fallacy driving through it that is driving me bananas. I reckon they could be done for false advertising just about. They claim that Labour broke the "cut waiting times for surgery" promise, because the waiting lists are currently 180,000 and that because this is the same as the waiting lists in 1999, the promise has been broken. There are three core problems with this. 1., the number of people on waiting lists is not the same as waiting time. 2. The population has grown quite a bit over the last few years (including more old people), so proportionately, the list is smaller. 3. Better technologies and primary healthcare could have made more people in need of surgery (or conversely not need surgery), which illustrates why the number of people on waiting lists is a poor indicator of waiting list time. Grrrr.
I'm agree about elections time, but in spite of that, I'm pleasantly surprised with the quantity of politicians parties in kiwiland"ia" (I counted 8 in that noizyblog post), because as I frequently say "in the variety u get the good taste"
I hate those binomial systems...we say: "same dog with different collars"
excuseme those word by word translated expressions, but I think you will get what it means
I thought we had about 19, but there seem to be even more:
99 MP Party
ACT New Zealand
Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party
Christian Heritage New Zealand
Destiny New Zealand
Direct Democracy Party
Jim Anderton's Progressive
Libertarianz
Maori Party
New Zealand Family Rights Protection Party
New Zealand First Partyt
New Zealand Labour Party
One New Zealand Party
OUTDOOR RECREATION NZ
Te Tawharau
The Alliance
The Greens, The Green Party of Aotearoa/New Zealand
The New Zealand Democratic Party for Social Credit
The New Zealand National Party
The Republic of New Zealand Party
UNITED FUTURE NEW ZEALAND
WIN Party
probably only eight with a show of getting in, though...
Labour, National, Greens, Jim, United, Maori, NZ First & ACT(?)
Which is still pretty good, mind. Man, the days when it was a big deal that Social Credit got one or two seats and sat in opposition for three years seem quite quaint now.
Those were the days... but how close were we to having weird consensus politics in '93 with 2 small parties in parliament still under FPP.
Heh, I didn't realise that year there was a 'Hard to Find Bookshop Party'. Where have all the silly parties gone? Everybody is too earnest these days. 'Blokes Liberation Front' or 'McGillicuddy Serious Party' or 'Mad Hatters' Tea Party'. sigh.
Yeah, that's like here. There are many parties, someone with an incredibles name and terrific ideology ... but just few of them get parlamientary representation.
8 is a good number already.
100 to 1 that that was the Clean. from Getaway, called 'Stars'. they've used that song in all of their other ads.
i was listening to the Clean's 'Twist Top' today - a good election commentary tune. and Russell Hard News quoted 'Anything Could Happen' in relation to the big day tomorrow - http://publicaddress.net/default,2546.sm (heh! at the bottom as well!)
f***ing good on them then! I've been trying to tune out election ads for ages, but that music always makes me smile. That might be something to do with the odd juxtaposition of the gritty music with airbrushed optimism. Obviously not going for the grey vote!
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They're under a lot of pressure, it's ...
They're under a lot of pressure, it's good for them to be able to release some.
bring back laila....
bring back laila.
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/laila_harre ]
(sigh)...
(sigh)
Is she your MPILF of choice? Man, I bet ...
Is she your MPILF of choice? Man, I bet Critic is going to get the blame for inciting those phonecalls to Katherine Rich...
laila gets a resounding meh from me. ...
laila gets a resounding meh from me.
it's a shame natasha stott despoja isn't an nz mp.
Join the NDU and vote for her James....
Join the NDU and vote for her James.
// Join the NDU and vote for her ...
// Join the NDU and vote for her James.
I so should. Then I could sort out their website. I mean, honestly...
[ http://www.nduunion.org.nz/ ]
// it's a shame natasha stott despoja ...
// it's a shame natasha stott despoja isn't an nz mp.
or that Michaëlle Jean isn't our Governor General.
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Maybe you could freelance, James. Then ...
Maybe you could freelance, James.
Then I might not be the youngest person there, you know...
try www.lailaharre.co.nz
Bollock to me posting links. righto, ...
Bollock to me posting links.
righto, www.lailaharre.com
:"Yes, there has been a recent poll ...
:"Yes, there has been a recent poll spike in favor of tax cuts. But health remains the number one issue for the largest number of those polled, and education is not far behind. The Green Party deserves support from young people and their parents for your commitment to universal student allowances, tackling fees, and reducing student debt. As long as voters see tax cuts as there for the taking, and coming at no cost, then of course they will be tempted. Over the next couple of months they need to understand what that cost is."
Speech to Green Party Conference, Laila Harré, Queens Birthday Weekend 2005, Christchurch
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ARRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrr...
ARRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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I'd just like to take this opportunity ...
I'd just like to take this opportunity to say that *anyone* that's keen on a labour-greens coalition should be party voting Green, not Labour. And if the Greens miss out on the 5% threshold, then it'll seriously dent Labour's chances of governing again as well.
I guess the same goes for National voters and ...eerrr...well, I'm not quite sure, really...who are National's coalition options?
Here endeth the sum total of my electioneering. Wake me when it's over.
I've heard on blogs that some people ...
I've heard on blogs that some people believe that Party votes are "transferred" to other parties if the one you vote for doesn't get in. This is simply not the case.
The proportionality of parliament is determined by the party votes garnered by parties who reach the 5% threshold and/or win an electorate seat.
If the party you vote for does not win an electorate and doesn't make the 5% theshold then your party vote is not counted at all.
And, people, please vote. This is your chance to have a say in how the country is run. It's important. Please vote.
//I've heard on blogs that some people ...
//I've heard on blogs that some people believe that Party votes are "transferred" to other parties if the one you vote for doesn't get in. This is simply not the case.
I think it's to do with the proportional adjustment that's made when excluding votes for parties that didn't make the threshold. While it's not the intention, the effect is that the total invalid proportion of votes (for non-5% parties) is divvied up between the parties that did get in, depending on the proportion of votes the successful parties already got.
Personally I can (finally) understand the advantage of an STV system - under MMP for example, if 4.5% of people voted for the free-doughnuts-for-all party on the left, and only 1.5% voted for the tax-returns-for-people-that-pay-for-their-own-bodyguards party on the right, that split in left-right preference (and the assumption that 75% of the excluded votes rather Labour won), counts for nothing.
Of course, it's a moot point if the left/right fringe votes reflect the left/right split that does get in government, which is probably likely. Besides, it really just has the same outcome as not voting at all. And of course I wouldn't be crying into my cereal if the greens got in and winston and rodney didn't.
Actually, I'm quite slacked off that this has become so much of a two-horse race. I really like that our government can incorporate a varying number of viewpoints, left and right alike. But mainly left. And not winston.
//And, people, please vote. This is ...
//And, people, please vote. This is your chance to have a say in how the country is run. It's important. Please vote.
Man I hate voting, the cynic in me always tells me that my one vote won’t make a squats worth of difference, plus I’m an undecided voter, all parties have their pros & cons and I have trouble weighing them up, I just wish they would each just come out with what their parties are planning to do & how they’re planning to do it, rather than bitching about pamphlets & what’s wrong with the parties – actually I do know for sure that Act are not getting a vote from me purely because of what I got in the mail from them – a pamphlet bitching about Winston Peters / NZ first, yet it said nothing at all about what they stand for. In fact all I could work out is that Acts only policy is to get rid of Winnie (although that may not be a bad thing?)
. . . But I do always vote cause then I feel I’ve got the right to bitch about the government at the lunch table
Scary to think I’m not the only one who’ll make up my mind on the day . . . .
Hell, I’ll tell you what needs to ...
Hell, I’ll tell you what needs to happen in this great country –
The LugHead Hill Street Homies & I will take over the government in a military coup, we’ll install dantheman as our puppet dictator and things will be done my way and you’ll all bloody well like it, for any tricky stuff that I know diddley about, decisions will be made based on the relating nzmusic poll, unless I change my mind.
//And, people, please vote. This is ...
//And, people, please vote. This is your chance to have a say in how the country is run. It's important. Please vote.
Everyone is Enroled, right?
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it wouldn't be right to vote for ...
it wouldn't be right to vote for something i don't have to live with, what am i the puppet master?
Placed my vote yesterday via fax. ...
Placed my vote yesterday via fax.
I'm trying not to mess with my flatmate too much, who is teetering on the edge of voting National... she'd vote for them just to spite me, or not vote Green/Labour just because she know's it's what I'd prefer her to do.
I try and tell that if she's basing her vote on any reaction to my own beliefs, then she's really not voting for what she believes in herself. e.g, voting to spite me involves as little free will as voting to agree with me. Geddit?
I hate that we have this situation in the first place, I'd much rather she just made her mind up and VOTED and didn't discuss politics with me ever... she's a farmer's daughter so it was always going to be a struggle twisting her arm too much towards the left.
Back to topic- yeah, I think ...
Back to topic- yeah, I think politicians need to be. You need to have a healthy amount of b@stard in you to survive parliament.
For someone who has a higher than ...
For someone who has a higher than average interest in politics, I particularly hate election times. It brings out the worst in politicians, both the ones that I like, and the ones that I like rather less.
I'm also extremely annoyed by the latest Brethren Brochure. It has a big fat logical fallacy driving through it that is driving me bananas. I reckon they could be done for false advertising just about. They claim that Labour broke the "cut waiting times for surgery" promise, because the waiting lists are currently 180,000 and that because this is the same as the waiting lists in 1999, the promise has been broken. There are three core problems with this. 1., the number of people on waiting lists is not the same as waiting time. 2. The population has grown quite a bit over the last few years (including more old people), so proportionately, the list is smaller. 3. Better technologies and primary healthcare could have made more people in need of surgery (or conversely not need surgery), which illustrates why the number of people on waiting lists is a poor indicator of waiting list time. Grrrr.
I'm agree about elections time, but in ...
I'm agree about elections time, but in spite of that, I'm pleasantly surprised with the quantity of politicians parties in kiwiland"ia" (I counted 8 in that noizyblog post), because as I frequently say "in the variety u get the good taste"
I hate those binomial systems...we say: "same dog with different collars"
excuseme those word by word translated expressions, but I think you will get what it means
I thought we had about 19, but there ...
I thought we had about 19, but there seem to be even more:
99 MP Party
ACT New Zealand
Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party
Christian Heritage New Zealand
Destiny New Zealand
Direct Democracy Party
Jim Anderton's Progressive
Libertarianz
Maori Party
New Zealand Family Rights Protection Party
New Zealand First Partyt
New Zealand Labour Party
One New Zealand Party
OUTDOOR RECREATION NZ
Te Tawharau
The Alliance
The Greens, The Green Party of Aotearoa/New Zealand
The New Zealand Democratic Party for Social Credit
The New Zealand National Party
The Republic of New Zealand Party
UNITED FUTURE NEW ZEALAND
WIN Party
probably only eight with a show of ...
probably only eight with a show of getting in, though...
Labour, National, Greens, Jim, United, Maori, NZ First & ACT(?)
Which is still pretty good, mind. Man, the days when it was a big deal that Social Credit got one or two seats and sat in opposition for three years seem quite quaint now.
Those were the days... but how close ...
Those were the days... but how close were we to having weird consensus politics in '93 with 2 small parties in parliament still under FPP.
Heh, I didn't realise that year there was a 'Hard to Find Bookshop Party'. Where have all the silly parties gone? Everybody is too earnest these days. 'Blokes Liberation Front' or 'McGillicuddy Serious Party' or 'Mad Hatters' Tea Party'. sigh.
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Yeah, that's like here. There are many ...
Yeah, that's like here. There are many parties, someone with an incredibles name and terrific ideology ... but just few of them get parlamientary representation.
8 is a good number already.
my partner always gets tugs at his ...
my partner always gets tugs at his heart strings when he sees the Animals First party logo on the voting form. have a look on Saturday.
no paw print!...
no paw print!
Bit late to re-watch, but I liked that ...
Bit late to re-watch, but I liked that the Labour ads had a nice grungy nun-esque riff as backing.
100 to 1 that that was the Clean. from ...
100 to 1 that that was the Clean. from Getaway, called 'Stars'. they've used that song in all of their other ads.
i was listening to the Clean's 'Twist Top' today - a good election commentary tune. and Russell Hard News quoted 'Anything Could Happen' in relation to the big day tomorrow - http://publicaddress.net/default,2546.sm (heh! at the bottom as well!)
f***ing good on them then! I've been ...
f***ing good on them then! I've been trying to tune out election ads for ages, but that music always makes me smile. That might be something to do with the odd juxtaposition of the gritty music with airbrushed optimism. Obviously not going for the grey vote!