I can't get over the pure stupidity of this totally needless death of a person who from what I hear had a very bright future.
I am glad this kid will be charged with murder, simply because of the moronic nature of what he did.
Sure accidents happen, But what the fuck are you thinking throwing anything let alone an 8kilo block of concrete off a fucken motorway overbridge.
Its only a shame that this stupid little fuck isnt older, I would love to see him go to prison.
Sorry I got no sympathy for the perpetrator of this crime. Whether he meant to kill anyone or not, what a total fucken idiot.
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dantheman i see where you're coming ...
dantheman i see where you're coming from, this kid is clearly one of the dumbest fucks this country has ever sired, but i don't think prison's gonna solve that problem.
maybe not, What could be an ...
maybe not,
What could be an alternative punishment that is brutal, teaches a lesson yet doesnt involve being behind bars?
being ball and chained at the ankle?
Public whippings?
Being made to walk over hot coals?
Being subjected to watching re runs of bad television?
//What could be an alternative ...
//What could be an alternative punishment that is brutal, teaches a lesson yet doesnt involve being behind bars?
Umm, I'm pretty sure that the lesson has already been taught.
//What could be an alternative ...
//What could be an alternative punishment that is brutal, teaches a lesson yet doesnt involve being behind bars?
Punishment is not going to change him (at least not for the best). Doing something "brutal" is only going to make him bitter and more of a liability later. I think it would be reasonable to make him meet the victim's family (hopefully to apologise profusely).
Although construing it as an unfortunate youthful indiscretion seems a little less likely given the weight of the piece of the concrete. 8kg is kinda different to throwing stones...
Pitty someone had to die, before he ...
Pitty someone had to die, before he learnt that throwing concrete blocks off a motorway overpass isnt a good thing...Obviously common sense isnt being taught in NCEA these days
It is kinda like these kids speeding in ...
It is kinda like these kids speeding in cars while drunk, and crashing,
Common sense tells you its a bad idea,but No one listens
screw exams, screw maths screw bio, english , etc,
How bout they start teaching common sense in schools?
It is just such a stupid waste of life, an unneccessary waste of life...
//How bout they start teaching common ...
//How bout they start teaching common sense in schools?
Because your brain's not entirely ready for it at that age. There's a reason why teenagers are notoriously stupid, it's because the date of final neural maturation keeps getting pushed back further and further. That's not to say that teenagers aren't in some respects very able. But some of the final stages of development, which underpin the final refinements in quite complex judgements may not occur until as late as 25. It may also in part underlie teenagers' quite impassioned idealism, with the final modules of grey area detection having not yet been installed.
There's actually quite a bit of scientific debate around this. Rather than suggesting the age of criminal responsibility be made earlier (a la Winston First), that perhaps it should be 20 or 25. There's also growing evidence that a number of "criminals" never see this development at all. The end implication of which is that even at 50 some people might not be truly responsible for their own actions....
neone watch the halloween special? I ...
neone watch the halloween special? I reckon it's the best one!!! Especiallly when the dolphins kicked human's ass!!!!!
I haven't seen the 14 year old kid, ...
I haven't seen the 14 year old kid, but if he was anything like me at 14 I would believe that it was one of those stupid things kids sometimes do without considering the consequences. If he had even considered the possibility that someone could die I don't think he would have done it (of course he could be one of those psycho kids that actually don't care if they kill someone).
Kids make stupid decisions sometimes. Its tragic that his stupid bit of fun ended in a death. Sure, I feel really bad for the family, but I also pity the 14 year old. He has ruined his own life - how do you make up for a mistake like that?
you start by not throwing a 8 kilo ...
you start by not throwing a 8 kilo block of cement off a over bridge.
What did he think was going to happen? Sure it may have landed safely on the road and not caused anything, that still doesnt take away the stupidity of the act.
I was an idiot at 14 too and and did some really dumb shit many argue that I still am and still do, but it takes a special kind of fuck wit to not know something terrible could happen by doing that, he is 14 not 8. Thats what 3rd or 4th form?
seriously, it cant just let that go as "one of those stupid things you do as a teenager", getting drunk off dads whiskey thats a stupid thing you do at 14, not throwing stuff off bridges.
Has anyone seen "The Good Son"?, and the highway man scene in that movie?
But I guess having to live with the fact that he killed someone is punishment enough.
//He has ruined his own life - how do ...
//He has ruined his own life - how do you make up for a mistake like that?
I wholeheartedly concur. Was discussing it with my flatmate last night - just sometimes someone will do something stupid without thinking; the horrendous consequences are just too vague to get a handle on...until they actually happen. And then all of a sudden you're a murderer. He deserves to be punished, but I doubt extra torture's necessary. I imagine (or at least, I hope) that'll be well undertaken by his conscience.
Whoa. I'm pretty much totally with dan ...
Whoa. I'm pretty much totally with dan on this one. Apart from the continued punishment part.
//What did he think was going to ...
//What did he think was going to happen? Sure it may have landed safely on the road and not caused anything, that still doesnt take away the stupidity of the act.
Apparently it had happened before - on the news last night they showed a taxi driver whose car had been similarly hit, but everyone in the car was ok. Probably once there's a precedent it's easier to try it again; like gambling. Wouldn't be surprised if it was the same kids involved.
Also, as much as people should know better, there are a whole stack of people much older than 14 that'll take control of a tonne of metal whilst they're pissed out of their skulls.
Not disagreeing with you at all, dantheman, just I think there's no accounting for stupidity...
haha yeah thinking about it, he doesnt ...
haha yeah thinking about it, he doesnt really need anything more to tell him he fucked up big time, im pretty sure thats evident enough as it is, but whatever does happen to him, I wont feel the least bit sorry for him.
//Whoa. I'm pretty much totally with ...
//Whoa. I'm pretty much totally with dan on this one
Heh, somewhere along the line dan got smart. About the time of that spanking thread, I think.
//Also, as much as people should know ...
//Also, as much as people should know better, there are a whole stack of people much older than 14 that'll take control of a tonne of metal whilst they're pissed out of their skulls
Scary huh?
//Heh, somewhere along the line dan got ...
//Heh, somewhere along the line dan got smart. About the time of that spanking thread, I think.
HAHA!, nah its always been there, just takes a while to get to the surface,
Possibly the answer lies in my 8 or so months of sobriety, since I had glandular fever
Haha, well, while I wouldn't want to ...
Haha, well, while I wouldn't want to encourage you to curtail your social life, keep it up.
Spanking? Did I miss an nzm s&m ...
Spanking? Did I miss an nzm s&m party????
sorry, <i>anti</i>-spanking - the law ...
sorry, anti-spanking - the law change. dan was the only one that added anything new and interesting to the debate. But I digress..
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//Spanking? Did I miss an nzm s&m ...
//Spanking? Did I miss an nzm s&m party????
Yes. We put it out on the No Jimis mailing list.
But Jimi Burns is already in there... ...
But Jimi Burns is already in there... oh, I see, you covered that one.
All I can say is you missed some very sensual pineapples.
The sign says no Jimis, we are allowed ...
The sign says no Jimis, we are allowed one
I agree with Heather and DarkNick on ...
I agree with Heather and DarkNick on this one. Exactly the sort of case that restorative justice was aimed at.
//no Jimis, we are allowed one dan, ...
//no Jimis, we are allowed one
dan, you are on a roll of super-insightful logic this week!
//dan, you are on a roll of ...
//dan, you are on a roll of super-insightful logic this week!
I had already made the Simpsons reference, of course.
*smirks and rubs belly*
Um hi, I MADE IT FIRST YOU HACKS....
Um hi, I MADE IT FIRST YOU HACKS.
sorry replied to the wrong one ...
sorry replied to the wrong one before...
//neone watch the halloween special? I reckon it's the best one!!! Especiallly when the dolphins kicked human's ass!!!!! //
Lisa " dad do you have any idea why you ...
Lisa " dad do you have any idea why you entered me in that beauty pagent to start with?"
Homer " I duno was I drunk"
That line gets me every time
Im sorry Jimi, I just couldnt leave the half finished line there...
You guys seem to be picking on ...
You guys seem to be picking on teenagers pretty unfairly here.
Most teenagers arn't stupid like that.
People seem to often use the word teenager as an insult . how would you like it if people started saying “stupid adults”?
I'm not so sure. I think even some of ...
I'm not so sure. I think even some of the most usually responsible and sensible people (regardless of age) will every now and then do something exceedingly stupid, but mostly get away with it. And I suspect teenagers are more guilty of it than most.
For example, I think I'm usually reasonably sensible, however, I'm not sure that doing the imperial ton on a moonlit night with the headlights turned off was a good idea, in hindsight. It was exhilarating, however. Actually, on balance, that one was probably reasonably calculated. It was a very deserted and straight piece of road, but there are certainly other decisions where there were some things lacking...
//You guys seem to be picking on ...
//You guys seem to be picking on teenagers pretty unfairly here.
Most teenagers arn't stupid like that.
Your right, but there are a disturbing amount that are, may not be throwing bricks off bridges, but they are getting into done up cars, when they are 3 parts pissed, and driving at 140Kphs into tree, walls, and other solid objects and killing each other.
Im sure this kid meant no harm to come of this act, but what the fuck are you thinking about when you do it?
I mean seriously, because hey doing stupid stuff without thinking has its limits,
"People seem to often use the word teenager as an insult . how would you like it if people started saying “stupid adults”?
Why do they use the word teenager as an insult? Because teenagers keep giving them reason to use it.
everyone makes mistakes, teens fuck up so often it becomes less and less of a suprise and more of an expectation
Dont give them ammunition and they cant use it against you,
Adults do alot of crime; You often here ...
Adults do alot of crime; You often here about it in the paper and what-not but often whatever, reletivly bad things teenagers do, usually end up in the paper.
Its like how heaps of older people binge drink, yet all the studies are done on younger people so the young people get a bad rap for it.
and apparently if its not kids throwing ...
and apparently if its not kids throwing cement blocks off bridges or through bus windows, its guys beating the shit out of people with hammers
what the fuck is going on in this country?
// what the fuck is going on in this ...
// what the fuck is going on in this country?
I don't think you want to take the occasional and unconnected bit of craziness as a basis and extrapolate outwards into speculating that the country is falling apart at the seams, because it's not.
these sorts of things have always happened. no need to panic.
//I don't think you want to take the ...
//I don't think you want to take the occasional and unconnected bit of craziness as a basis and extrapolate outwards into speculating that the country is falling apart at the seams, because it's not.
exactly. unless you're Brian Tamaki (or Winston Peters for that matter)
I wonder if its because they werent ...
I wonder if its because they werent smacked when they were children?
//these sorts of things have always ...
//these sorts of things have always happened. no need to panic
When have they always happened?
When is this?
When was the last time you heard of some guy beating some poor bastard up with a hammer due to road rage in this country?
When was the last time you heard of someone killing someone by throwing a 8 kilo cement block off a bridge in this country?
Can you fill me in? because I must have missed that
Its not the fact that one dumbass teen killed someone that sickens me that was tragic and sad for sure ,but its the fact that more stupid teens are repeating this act knowing full and well what a possible out come is.
So what do you do to these ones if they kill someone?
They know what can happen and are fully aware of the consequences if it goes wrong, so that means the are doing it with even more intention than the first kid... do they walk away too?
I mean chances are they are too young to go to jail right? so what happens?
//I don't think you want to take the ...
//I don't think you want to take the occasional and unconnected...
these sorts of things have always happened.
If they are so occasional, how come they have always happened?
People are always throwing/dropping ...
People are always throwing/dropping shit on cars and trains. In 'Nam they have big fuck off metal grills over the windows because people are *always* throwing shit at trains. Which is a pain, because it's freaking hot and smelly and yout want the fresh air, but you don't want to get hit by flying rocks.
You might like to read the link below. A while back they had a full on commission of inquiry because they were so worried about how crazy and mad the kids were. And frankly, beating your mum to death with a brick is a little more callous than the concrete incident. The reality is that if you drop something off a bridge, your chance of hitting a car is not that good, and managing to hit a person is a car is even harder. If you don't believe, try hoiking off a bridge sometime. It takes quite a lot of practice. It was probably the result of a stupid dare, and the kid got unlucky.
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//If they are so occasional, how come ...
//If they are so occasional, how come they have always happened?
Umm, volcanic eruptions are both occasional and have always happened. And sometimes they can happen in a little burst (sometimes because they're connected, but sometimes by chance).
true dat ^^^ So while we are ...
true dat ^^^
So while we are here
Taking into account the recent events, Like I asked above
different kid throws rock off bridge, and kills another driver
What happens? You could forgive the original person ( possbily) for the stupid act, in the sense that he may not have meant for it to happen etc, but the new person IE the person who threw the rock at the bus and hit that girl in the head, what happens to him?
I mean - He/she must be aware of what can happen, and is still following through the act in total disregard of this,
So what is a possible punishment for him/her?, because he/she obviously doesnt care about the fact that they could kill someone