Central Records/OG featuring Ladi6/Change For The Better
Elite Recordings/Dukes/Rather Be With You
EMI Music/Breaks Co-Op/A Place For You
EMI Music/The Finn Brothers/Disembodied Voices
EMI Music/Greg Johnson/Don’t Be The One
EMI Music/Steriogram/Tsunami
Festival Mushroom Records/Goodnight Nurse/Our Song
Festival Mushroom/Phoenix Foundation/Slightest Shift In The Weather
Festival Mushroom Records/Sola Rosa/What If
Festival Mushroom Records/Dave Yetton/Honey Don’t Go
Hark Entertainment/Sarah Brown/Hands
Kimbra Johnson/Kimbra/Deep For You
Liberation Music/betchadupa/Weekend
Loop Recordings/Recloose/Dust
Move The Crowd Records/Tyree featuring Young Sid & Deach/Oh No
My Life Story/My Life Story/Fairytale Life
Pie Club Records/The Checks/Butter Boys
R Crew/Chong Nee/Scenarios
Siren Records/Goldenhorse/Four Minute Drive
Slow Rodriquez Records/Pluto/Baby Cruel
Sony-BMG/Amber Claire/On & On
Sony-BMG/Bic Runga/If I Had You
The Rabble/The Rabble/Carry On
Universal Music/Elemeno P/Pardon Me
Warner Music/the feelers/Playground Battle
Warner Music/Anika Moa/Wrestled With Your Angels
another list of taxpayers money going into offshore company coffers..for what... more kiwi exposure....and like i said...for what.....i mean you'd think that the Finn brothers could afford thier own video as well as the feelers...etc... why doesn't NZOA just give the money to some wanker in the USA or the UK as payola to actually give our people some xposure via radio and tv etc....just pay em off..thats how it works..instead of carefully maintaing this joke of an industry for those who must justify thier own existance.....
Attention Brendan Smythe.
If I am not on the blacklist, I must be on the invisible list maybe?
After applying for 8 video grants for 8 different artists:
Jeremy Taylor, Dark Tower, Trillion, John White, Bazuki Joe, Billy Wilson. Trillion feat Jeremy Taylor and
Lindon Puffin... all with new or newly coming out albums... good album sales... and radio play...
i don’t know what the fuck is going on!!
as usual the chumps keep their mouths shut in fear of not getting a grant next time and I’m left out in the cold so what the fuck!!? here are my video grant gripes:
EMI Music/Breaks Co-Op/A Place For You
(sorry – but zane lowe must be a millionaire by now, surely he can take some cream off the to of his mug and pay for his own video?)
EMI Music/The Finn Brothers/Disembodied Voices
(these guys can afford to make their own videos, perhaps next time i should get Neil to apply on behalf of me?)
EMI Music/Greg Johnson/Don’t Be The One
EMI Music/Steriogram/Tsunami
(aren’t these guys signed in america – they can use american money now!)
--- 4 grants to EMI?? ---
Festival Mushroom Records/Goodnight Nurse/Our Song
Festival Mushroom/Phoenix Foundation/Slightest Shift In The Weather
Festival Mushroom Records/Sola Rosa/What If
Festival Mushroom Records/Dave Yetton/Honey Don’t Go
--- 4 grants to FMR?? ---
Loop Recordings/Recloose/Dust
(sorry recloose... this guy is american! – my tax goes to americans making dance music in nz? What?)
Move The Crowd Records/Tyree featuring Young Sid & Deach/Oh No
(who?)
R Crew/Chong Nee/Scenarios
(chong nee got two grants in last round – surely he has to make the clips before getting another grant?!)
Sony-BMG/Amber Claire/On & On
(yip – on and on...)
Sony-BMG/Bic Runga/If I Had You
(i’m sure bic can go without catering on the shoot! How about a packed lunch?)
Warner Music/the feelers/Playground Battle
(they already have about 5 videos for this album, if everyone who likes the feelers has got the album – then it probably wont sell anymore units. Move on to the next album aye..)
now that I’ve got that off my chest.
Oh yeah – and fuck Don Brash, bad campaign - and you aint gonna win with your try hard southpark ad!
Not from this latest round, but I just saw a vid on Juice last night by some cat called JCK or something - I said to my flatmate "If I see an NZonAir logo pop up at the end of this fucking piece of shit I'm gonna firebomb their offices!" sure enough... there it was.
I mean that HAS to be a joke right? Who in their right fucking mind would decide THAT song was worthy of investing 5 fucking grand in? What a joke.
You know what kids, make you own videos, and fuck NZ on Air.
And Juice and C4, the challenge goes out to you guys to play real NZ vids that showcase good music, not just the industry fed stuff with the pretty logo in the corner. There's music out there that the TV music watchers need to hear... and it's NOT that shite I saw on TV last night.
(no slight on the effort JCK put in on their stuff - good on them).
// Who in their right fucking mind would decide THAT song
// was worthy of investing 5 fucking grand in?
This has come up many times in the past, but it's worth re-iterating...
NZ On Air don't make the decisions as to who gets the grants. It's done by the commercial radio and music TV programmers. So blame them. NZ On Air obviously don't want to be in a position where they're forcing songs upon the commercial sector that the commercial sector don't want to play, so they sit around with the relevant people from C4, CanWest, TRN and wherever, to decide what tracks are actually going to make it on air, and should thus get funding.
You're essentially blaming NZ On Air for commercial music broadcasters bad taste.
So... Fuck those other dumb, no-taste cunts. Are these 'experts' so out of touch with reality?
I know it's been bemoaned ad nauseum, but I still seriously don't get it.
OMG! I think you might be on to something. There are no programmers! TV and radio programme themselves!. Judgement Day's acoming and I'm going to hole up in a bunker with Nick Stahl.
i mean if they actually exist around the nz on air boardroom table.
do they all sit round and have a nz on air staff member act as dj and play what they want?
or do they give a bunch of cds to a few people to take home?
do they pay the programmers for the time they spend - if you do the maths to listen to 100 3 - 4 minute songs, thats 300 - 400 minutes. 6 - 8 hours - that's a long time in a busy media persons day.
or do nz on air choose 25 options and they all get the nod... cos the programmers cant be fucked sitting round listening to crap demos all day???
dig a little deeper and it looks a little like fish pie!
does nz on air pay the programmer for a weekday?
or a saturday? - what a waste of a weekend!
or do they pay the media network because the programmer isnt doing their normal job?
do the programmers call in sick that day?
I've no doubt that NZ On Air have some sway as to what gets picked, whether it's through pre-filtering or post-selection ranking. My main point was that it's not entirely NZ On Air's fault as to what gets funded, and that it's still the demands of the commercial outlets that defines what it is that gets played.
// perhaps they can come forward and shine some
// light on the process from thier point of view?
Indeed my dear Lemon, make your fucken own vids kids, who the fuck wants their music to be "State Sanctioned and Funded" anyway? sheesh. NZ on Air has been a corrupt defiler of the nations art and very culture for too long, fuck it kids, vote national, I'm sure that Mr Brash and his friends will cut these lame fucks off at the knees the first chance he gets! Brendan Smythe, come join me in the low income bracket and taste my frustration as TWO terms of a government that pledged to foster and develop NZ arts passes me the fuck by in favour of Tim, Neil and Peter Fucking Jackson. Go ahead Lemon, firebomb those "Shortland St School of Music" mother fuckers...
Oh yeah... Heres my nz on air video... http://www.mediatrix.co.nz/stlucy
xxx Lucy
As a govt. funded organisation, I'd imagine that the process is probably outlined in excruciating detail somewhere. The grants I apply for typically have in excess of 60 pages of notes on the process. There's a precis on the nzoa website which seems reasonable.
Unsurprisingly, it looks a lot like the way they fund science. They make a compilation CD of the applications, send it out to the panel, the panel award them marks (here on 1-3 scale). They average the marks and rank order them, and mostly the top 15 get through...
"We take in the 60 or so applications every two months and then we dub the songs down on to audition CDs which we then send to the people who are responsible for programming the main outlets for music videos on television at the time.
Lately, that has been the people who make the TV2 Saturday and Sunday morning shows (Touchdown Productions), the people who make Squeeze (Satellite Pictures) and the people who programme Juice on Sky's digital service but we have just roped in the people who make the Most Wanted show on TV4 as well so that we now have four opinions.
We ask those people to listen through the audition CDs and tell us which songs are most likely to get airplay on the shows that they are responsible for programming. We've got a simple marking system - a mark of "1" says that song is likely to get play on the show and a mark of "3" says that it is an unlikely prospect.
After a week or so with the audition discs, they fax us back their marks. We then merge the results and basically, the songs that get the most support are the projects that we will fund. We are aiming to do about 15 projects every two months and so the more support across-the-board, the better the chances of making the final cut because we have to rule off somewhere around the 15 mark. "
// so do you think the whole current system is working to
// the benifit of the music industry and musicians?
well, for some, it is, obviously. I suspect the 'industry' side benefits a bit more than the 'musicians' side, because a lot of the money is going to the purely technical side of things: video making, production and whatnot, but that has had positive benefits for all, in that there are a lot more people out there now with the sorts of skills needed to make good records and music videos than there was 15 years ago.
// and taxpayers?
// considering majority of taxpayers probably hate everything nz on air fund.
that's a pretty sweeping statement. You'd think that the increase in NZ music sales and the massive upswing in local music on the airwaves would have you believe that a lot of the music NZ On Air is funding is actually very popular. Of course, there's always the chicken and egg argument that people like it because it's on air.
the NZOA grant scheme is a joke.....as i've said..most of the money goes into oversea's company coffer's.. i have actually had 2 NZOA grants and some 5k song play bonus bullshit...and the video maker fucked off with the money for the second one and now makes porn movies in Brazil or some shit like that......the fact is that NZOA let the fucker walk with about 12k of taxpayers money and did nothing about it...theres no accountability and that sucks......make your own vids i say...NZOA has no clout outside of NZ...just like all the major record companies...we are just an outlet for boring fucken Hip Hop shit that fills our youth society with illusions of granduer andthe promise of Boo...or what the fuck ever..... i've said it before and i'll say it again...if you want something done...do it yourself people.....rock on
(sigh) Is it just me, or does NZOA exist to fund commercially viable projects (ie those likely to actually get airplay). Sadly that means that a lot of NZOA money is gonna go into the coffers of Record companies that are based overseas, but thats not NZOAs fault, its a commercial reality.
I'm gonna climb on my high horse for just a second. It seems everytime a round of NZOA grants are announced, this website suddenly gets filled with people complaining about who gets funding and how all the money goes to Major Labels, talk of blacklists, etcetcetc. Am I the only one who's bored of this. I mean don't get me wrong, I would love to see NZOA fund some bands/labels that are a little less mainstream, but I do think its better that some NZ music actually makes it onto the airwaves thanks to the money NZOA distributes. Does anyone here think that if there were no NZOA grants that the majors would come to the party with the required funds. Of course they wouldn't. And our airwaves would be filled with pap from overseas. And if our airwaves are gonna be filled with pap, I'd prefer to be locally produced pap to be quite honest.
i agree with you stiffler, but if you aint got a flash video you won't get played anyway - so there's no point at the end of the day. unless you wanna give it to your mates or play it in the background at one of your gigs.
I also know of a few times the grants have been given to an artist/label and the goods have never come out. no names - MAI MUSIC!
oh we had a flash video...it was played lots on juice and on MTV in the UK...the second vid involved 16mm film and models and shit who did the work just for stills off the film for thier portfolio...but the same producer didn't finish the job and just dissappeared into the Auckland underground or whatever...i guess the point is that NZOA is a carrot dangling in the faces of people like yourself and unless you offer some incentive or know someone on the prestigeous PANEL of experts your pushing shit uphill. I was told by the prick who absconded our dosh, that the PANEL meeting goes something like this..."OK, who's had a grant before" and they are pushed into a seperate pile that becomes 'the' pile, then.."OK who do we know" and that becomes the new pile and then..."who's given us something for nothing" and so ......it sounds harsh but not unbelievable...in fact when our first single went on the kiwi hitdisc, we sent bottles of very nice chardonnay to various radio programmers and guess what...we were getting tons of airplay,,,,,my advice to you man is just do it yourself...keep trying...but dont hold your breath......go hard
We actually got a note back from Juice saying they'd play our Gollywog video but they needed it in DV format and we had sent them a DVD. We had no way of getting the DVD to DV so there went that idea. Technology eh? What a cunt.
We're actually planning new videos right now for Clerics and Racecar so at least we'll know what format to send in this time eh? And maybe a bottle of bubbly won't go astray...
Yeah, I think its all a matter of taste and style, the golliwog vid for example is great and self funded as is the RPAC vid. At the end of the day video is a tool to sell kids records, few and far between are the art statements of Tool and System and such. I like makin em for my own pleasure so I guess thats just me. NZ on Air can make em if they want, shucks who am I to moan about it? Anyway, yup will bring the disk over soon lemoni, but keep it on the down-low, "You Know Who" doesnt agree with pirating "You Know What..." HA HA HA HA
Oh hey might be moving to Aucks on Monday, YAY!
xxx St. Lucy
Well, if I like what i hear then I'll be buying it anyway man. Just like I did with F**** J***.
Aucks? Chur. Come see Racecar and Malenky at edens on the 2nd bro. I'll buy you a beer.
oh - sorry - dvd to dv .... even easier... just send me the master dvd and courier pack in that case ... i got some spare dv tapes... love to support indie vids
Cheers for the offer bro. The song is pretty 'old' (for us) now, but the video is still classic.
It's up for DL on the site anyway... we'll get some of the newer stuff in to Juice and C4 soon...
Hi, I just put a post up in classifieds, i'm wanting to make a music vid for a local band/artist, and will do it for free (no budget!!no funding!, and hopefully a quality vid will be made!!).
GO to classifieds for more details.
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Central Records/OG featuring Ladi6/Change For The Better
Elite Recordings/Dukes/Rather Be With You
EMI Music/Breaks Co-Op/A Place For You
EMI Music/The Finn Brothers/Disembodied Voices
EMI Music/Greg Johnson/Don’t Be The One
EMI Music/Steriogram/Tsunami
Festival Mushroom Records/Goodnight Nurse/Our Song
Festival Mushroom/Phoenix Foundation/Slightest Shift In The Weather
Festival Mushroom Records/Sola Rosa/What If
Festival Mushroom Records/Dave Yetton/Honey Don’t Go
Hark Entertainment/Sarah Brown/Hands
Kimbra Johnson/Kimbra/Deep For You
Liberation Music/betchadupa/Weekend
Loop Recordings/Recloose/Dust
Move The Crowd Records/Tyree featuring Young Sid & Deach/Oh No
My Life Story/My Life Story/Fairytale Life
Pie Club Records/The Checks/Butter Boys
R Crew/Chong Nee/Scenarios
Siren Records/Goldenhorse/Four Minute Drive
Slow Rodriquez Records/Pluto/Baby Cruel
Sony-BMG/Amber Claire/On & On
Sony-BMG/Bic Runga/If I Had You
The Rabble/The Rabble/Carry On
Universal Music/Elemeno P/Pardon Me
Warner Music/the feelers/Playground Battle
Warner Music/Anika Moa/Wrestled With Your Angels
Thank you noizyboy - as ever you are a fount of information. Much appreciated!
another list of taxpayers money going into offshore company coffers..for what... more kiwi exposure....and like i said...for what.....i mean you'd think that the Finn brothers could afford thier own video as well as the feelers...etc... why doesn't NZOA just give the money to some wanker in the USA or the UK as payola to actually give our people some xposure via radio and tv etc....just pay em off..thats how it works..instead of carefully maintaing this joke of an industry for those who must justify thier own existance.....
Kimbra Johnson's song should be awesome....She is one talented girl!
I'm very pleased to see Losing Face get a recording grant. That is excellent.
Attention Brendan Smythe.
If I am not on the blacklist, I must be on the invisible list maybe?
After applying for 8 video grants for 8 different artists:
Jeremy Taylor, Dark Tower, Trillion, John White, Bazuki Joe, Billy Wilson. Trillion feat Jeremy Taylor and
Lindon Puffin... all with new or newly coming out albums... good album sales... and radio play...
i don’t know what the fuck is going on!!
as usual the chumps keep their mouths shut in fear of not getting a grant next time and I’m left out in the cold so what the fuck!!? here are my video grant gripes:
EMI Music/Breaks Co-Op/A Place For You
(sorry – but zane lowe must be a millionaire by now, surely he can take some cream off the to of his mug and pay for his own video?)
EMI Music/The Finn Brothers/Disembodied Voices
(these guys can afford to make their own videos, perhaps next time i should get Neil to apply on behalf of me?)
EMI Music/Greg Johnson/Don’t Be The One
EMI Music/Steriogram/Tsunami
(aren’t these guys signed in america – they can use american money now!)
--- 4 grants to EMI?? ---
Festival Mushroom Records/Goodnight Nurse/Our Song
Festival Mushroom/Phoenix Foundation/Slightest Shift In The Weather
Festival Mushroom Records/Sola Rosa/What If
Festival Mushroom Records/Dave Yetton/Honey Don’t Go
--- 4 grants to FMR?? ---
Loop Recordings/Recloose/Dust
(sorry recloose... this guy is american! – my tax goes to americans making dance music in nz? What?)
Move The Crowd Records/Tyree featuring Young Sid & Deach/Oh No
(who?)
R Crew/Chong Nee/Scenarios
(chong nee got two grants in last round – surely he has to make the clips before getting another grant?!)
Sony-BMG/Amber Claire/On & On
(yip – on and on...)
Sony-BMG/Bic Runga/If I Had You
(i’m sure bic can go without catering on the shoot! How about a packed lunch?)
Warner Music/the feelers/Playground Battle
(they already have about 5 videos for this album, if everyone who likes the feelers has got the album – then it probably wont sell anymore units. Move on to the next album aye..)
now that I’ve got that off my chest.
Oh yeah – and fuck Don Brash, bad campaign - and you aint gonna win with your try hard southpark ad!
if you're so bitter about it why not converse with NZ On Air? Or are you?
or better yet vote national I'm sure they are up for a bit of expenditure slashing
//or better yet vote national I'm sure they are up for a bit of expenditure slashing
hahahaha. I would love to see Trillion vote National.
Not from this latest round, but I just saw a vid on Juice last night by some cat called JCK or something - I said to my flatmate "If I see an NZonAir logo pop up at the end of this fucking piece of shit I'm gonna firebomb their offices!" sure enough... there it was.
I mean that HAS to be a joke right? Who in their right fucking mind would decide THAT song was worthy of investing 5 fucking grand in? What a joke.
You know what kids, make you own videos, and fuck NZ on Air.
And Juice and C4, the challenge goes out to you guys to play real NZ vids that showcase good music, not just the industry fed stuff with the pretty logo in the corner. There's music out there that the TV music watchers need to hear... and it's NOT that shite I saw on TV last night.
(no slight on the effort JCK put in on their stuff - good on them).
// Who in their right fucking mind would decide THAT song
// was worthy of investing 5 fucking grand in?
This has come up many times in the past, but it's worth re-iterating...
NZ On Air don't make the decisions as to who gets the grants. It's done by the commercial radio and music TV programmers. So blame them. NZ On Air obviously don't want to be in a position where they're forcing songs upon the commercial sector that the commercial sector don't want to play, so they sit around with the relevant people from C4, CanWest, TRN and wherever, to decide what tracks are actually going to make it on air, and should thus get funding.
You're essentially blaming NZ On Air for commercial music broadcasters bad taste.
[ http://www.aminofilms.com/nzm1.html ]
My bad, NZ on Air. Sorry.
So... Fuck those other dumb, no-taste cunts. Are these 'experts' so out of touch with reality?
I know it's been bemoaned ad nauseum, but I still seriously don't get it.
// Are these 'experts' so out of touch with reality?
One might argue ... yes.
i disagree with you noizyboy.
nz on air staff whittle down the selections before they go to the vote.
and if the programmers (if they actually exsist) don't have final say!
if they chose a peice of shit i'm sure nz on air staff could over rule the decision
pointing to the nz on air 'cultural' stand.
it's a sham and a fob off. so they can't ever have the finger pointed at them.
//the programmers (if they actually exsist)
OMG! I think you might be on to something. There are no programmers! TV and radio programme themselves!. Judgement Day's acoming and I'm going to hole up in a bunker with Nick Stahl.
ah - that was badly written - but i think my point is clear.
also: has anyone ever known a radio programmer who has been on the panel of deciders?
perhaps they can come forward and shine some light on the process from thier point of view?
like how many songs out of the 130+ applications get taken to the boardroom table?
how many songs are listened to.
how long are they listening to songs for?
are some songs not even listened to but are ticked off the list?
it seems that know one listens to the feelers lyrics.
sorry james, but you need to make a little more effort!
I thought it wouldnt have snowballed this far.
speaking of crap hip hop videos - fuck, nz on air fund all of them!!
haha - nice one joanna!
i mean if they actually exist around the nz on air boardroom table.
do they all sit round and have a nz on air staff member act as dj and play what they want?
or do they give a bunch of cds to a few people to take home?
do they pay the programmers for the time they spend - if you do the maths to listen to 100 3 - 4 minute songs, thats 300 - 400 minutes. 6 - 8 hours - that's a long time in a busy media persons day.
or do nz on air choose 25 options and they all get the nod... cos the programmers cant be fucked sitting round listening to crap demos all day???
dig a little deeper and it looks a little like fish pie!
back to the pay thing:
does nz on air pay the programmer for a weekday?
or a saturday? - what a waste of a weekend!
or do they pay the media network because the programmer isnt doing their normal job?
do the programmers call in sick that day?
who, what, when, where, how, why?
did you read that article I linked to above?
I've no doubt that NZ On Air have some sway as to what gets picked, whether it's through pre-filtering or post-selection ranking. My main point was that it's not entirely NZ On Air's fault as to what gets funded, and that it's still the demands of the commercial outlets that defines what it is that gets played.
// perhaps they can come forward and shine some
// light on the process from thier point of view?
an email to the nzradio listserv, perhaps?
// does nz on air pay the programmer for a weekday?
surely the very role of the programmers's job is to decide what music they're going to put on air?
so do you think the whole current system is working to the benifit of the music industry and musicians?
and taxpayers?
considering majority of taxpayers probably hate everything nz on air fund.
Indeed my dear Lemon, make your fucken own vids kids, who the fuck wants their music to be "State Sanctioned and Funded" anyway? sheesh. NZ on Air has been a corrupt defiler of the nations art and very culture for too long, fuck it kids, vote national, I'm sure that Mr Brash and his friends will cut these lame fucks off at the knees the first chance he gets! Brendan Smythe, come join me in the low income bracket and taste my frustration as TWO terms of a government that pledged to foster and develop NZ arts passes me the fuck by in favour of Tim, Neil and Peter Fucking Jackson. Go ahead Lemon, firebomb those "Shortland St School of Music" mother fuckers...
Oh yeah... Heres my nz on air video...
http://www.mediatrix.co.nz/stlucy
xxx Lucy
[ http://www.mediatrix.co.nz/stlucy ]
As a govt. funded organisation, I'd imagine that the process is probably outlined in excruciating detail somewhere. The grants I apply for typically have in excess of 60 pages of notes on the process. There's a precis on the nzoa website which seems reasonable.
Unsurprisingly, it looks a lot like the way they fund science. They make a compilation CD of the applications, send it out to the panel, the panel award them marks (here on 1-3 scale). They average the marks and rank order them, and mostly the top 15 get through...
"We take in the 60 or so applications every two months and then we dub the songs down on to audition CDs which we then send to the people who are responsible for programming the main outlets for music videos on television at the time.
Lately, that has been the people who make the TV2 Saturday and Sunday morning shows (Touchdown Productions), the people who make Squeeze (Satellite Pictures) and the people who programme Juice on Sky's digital service but we have just roped in the people who make the Most Wanted show on TV4 as well so that we now have four opinions.
We ask those people to listen through the audition CDs and tell us which songs are most likely to get airplay on the shows that they are responsible for programming. We've got a simple marking system - a mark of "1" says that song is likely to get play on the show and a mark of "3" says that it is an unlikely prospect.
After a week or so with the audition discs, they fax us back their marks. We then merge the results and basically, the songs that get the most support are the projects that we will fund. We are aiming to do about 15 projects every two months and so the more support across-the-board, the better the chances of making the final cut because we have to rule off somewhere around the 15 mark. "
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// so do you think the whole current system is working to
// the benifit of the music industry and musicians?
well, for some, it is, obviously. I suspect the 'industry' side benefits a bit more than the 'musicians' side, because a lot of the money is going to the purely technical side of things: video making, production and whatnot, but that has had positive benefits for all, in that there are a lot more people out there now with the sorts of skills needed to make good records and music videos than there was 15 years ago.
// and taxpayers?
// considering majority of taxpayers probably hate everything nz on air fund.
that's a pretty sweeping statement. You'd think that the increase in NZ music sales and the massive upswing in local music on the airwaves would have you believe that a lot of the music NZ On Air is funding is actually very popular. Of course, there's always the chicken and egg argument that people like it because it's on air.
the NZOA grant scheme is a joke.....as i've said..most of the money goes into oversea's company coffer's.. i have actually had 2 NZOA grants and some 5k song play bonus bullshit...and the video maker fucked off with the money for the second one and now makes porn movies in Brazil or some shit like that......the fact is that NZOA let the fucker walk with about 12k of taxpayers money and did nothing about it...theres no accountability and that sucks......make your own vids i say...NZOA has no clout outside of NZ...just like all the major record companies...we are just an outlet for boring fucken Hip Hop shit that fills our youth society with illusions of granduer andthe promise of Boo...or what the fuck ever..... i've said it before and i'll say it again...if you want something done...do it yourself people.....rock on
(sigh) Is it just me, or does NZOA exist to fund commercially viable projects (ie those likely to actually get airplay). Sadly that means that a lot of NZOA money is gonna go into the coffers of Record companies that are based overseas, but thats not NZOAs fault, its a commercial reality.
I'm gonna climb on my high horse for just a second. It seems everytime a round of NZOA grants are announced, this website suddenly gets filled with people complaining about who gets funding and how all the money goes to Major Labels, talk of blacklists, etcetcetc. Am I the only one who's bored of this. I mean don't get me wrong, I would love to see NZOA fund some bands/labels that are a little less mainstream, but I do think its better that some NZ music actually makes it onto the airwaves thanks to the money NZOA distributes. Does anyone here think that if there were no NZOA grants that the majors would come to the party with the required funds. Of course they wouldn't. And our airwaves would be filled with pap from overseas. And if our airwaves are gonna be filled with pap, I'd prefer to be locally produced pap to be quite honest.
End Rant(none of this probably made any sense)
Luv n punkrawk
maybe 60minutes or bomber can do an undercover filming of the process?
it would be extreemly interesting.
LOL you think they would be unbiased if they did a NZ On Air story
i agree with you stiffler, but if you aint got a flash video you won't get played anyway - so there's no point at the end of the day. unless you wanna give it to your mates or play it in the background at one of your gigs.
I also know of a few times the grants have been given to an artist/label and the goods have never come out. no names - MAI MUSIC!
oh we had a flash video...it was played lots on juice and on MTV in the UK...the second vid involved 16mm film and models and shit who did the work just for stills off the film for thier portfolio...but the same producer didn't finish the job and just dissappeared into the Auckland underground or whatever...i guess the point is that NZOA is a carrot dangling in the faces of people like yourself and unless you offer some incentive or know someone on the prestigeous PANEL of experts your pushing shit uphill. I was told by the prick who absconded our dosh, that the PANEL meeting goes something like this..."OK, who's had a grant before" and they are pushed into a seperate pile that becomes 'the' pile, then.."OK who do we know" and that becomes the new pile and then..."who's given us something for nothing" and so ......it sounds harsh but not unbelievable...in fact when our first single went on the kiwi hitdisc, we sent bottles of very nice chardonnay to various radio programmers and guess what...we were getting tons of airplay,,,,,my advice to you man is just do it yourself...keep trying...but dont hold your breath......go hard
Mr St Lucy me old chum...
We actually got a note back from Juice saying they'd play our Gollywog video but they needed it in DV format and we had sent them a DVD. We had no way of getting the DVD to DV so there went that idea. Technology eh? What a cunt.
We're actually planning new videos right now for Clerics and Racecar so at least we'll know what format to send in this time eh? And maybe a bottle of bubbly won't go astray...
And oi, Mark, I believe you have a certain CD for me to listen to. When you coming over this way next, ow?
Yeah, I think its all a matter of taste and style, the golliwog vid for example is great and self funded as is the RPAC vid. At the end of the day video is a tool to sell kids records, few and far between are the art statements of Tool and System and such. I like makin em for my own pleasure so I guess thats just me. NZ on Air can make em if they want, shucks who am I to moan about it? Anyway, yup will bring the disk over soon lemoni, but keep it on the down-low, "You Know Who" doesnt agree with pirating "You Know What..." HA HA HA HA
Oh hey might be moving to Aucks on Monday, YAY!
xxx St. Lucy
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Well, if I like what i hear then I'll be buying it anyway man. Just like I did with F**** J***.
Aucks? Chur. Come see Racecar and Malenky at edens on the 2nd bro. I'll buy you a beer.
//We had no way of getting the DVD to DV so there went that idea. Technology eh? What a cunt.
sheesh - thats easy man - send me the dv tape, a dvd and a return courier pack and ill do it for ya...
(should cost under 10 bucks)
sam buysboys.co.nz
oh - sorry - dvd to dv .... even easier... just send me the master dvd and courier pack in that case ... i got some spare dv tapes... love to support indie vids
Cheers for the offer bro. The song is pretty 'old' (for us) now, but the video is still classic.
It's up for DL on the site anyway... we'll get some of the newer stuff in to Juice and C4 soon...
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czech outs da crazeee corporate funded B'arch of a video foe The Phoenix Foundations new single 'All In An Afternoon' at http://www.fmrecords.co.nz/
thanx to da style pooo lice at NZONAIR you crazzee mutha fuckas! BO BO BO!
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....SHA'MON MUTHA FUCKA! Eeee Heeee!
//SHA'MON
yeh. tehe sham'on. i like.
Hi, I just put a post up in classifieds, i'm wanting to make a music vid for a local band/artist, and will do it for free (no budget!!no funding!, and hopefully a quality vid will be made!!).
GO to classifieds for more details.
Cheers,
Rich