The 2005 New Zealand music awards 'The Tuis' are just around the corner and, urrrgg, it's a shameful affair.
RIANZ (Recording Industry Association of NZ) are still obsessed with their rectangle of red carpet. There's even a proud quicktime movie on their website that shows somebody walking down it last year. What are they thinking when they make this kind of web content?
Trying to make the Tuis into the Oscars is so embaressing, it makes me cringe. I'm not against a bit of razzmatazz, but having ONE limo circling around the block picking up nominees from a meeting point and dropping them on the carpet, to create the illusion that they are all arriving in separate limos? To me, this is very Ashburton Lions club.
To anyone with a brain that's ever attended this kind of event must agree that it feels all wrong. Why can't RIANZ get this type of event in proportion?
If we want an enormous music industry then pretending we already have one is not the smartest way to go about getting one.
So I've been asking myself, what exactly do RIANZ do? This awards event seems to be their main activity, this is sad. I know they organise the ISRC codes for CDs, and collate the sales charts, is there anything else?
On their website they claim to 'lobby government for the introduction and improvement of effective rights legislation'. Is this the 'Burn and get burnt' campaign? What a piece of shit that idea is.
RIANZ is rubbish.
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Best first post ever. Agree ...
Best first post ever. Agree wholeheartedly. Did not know about limo, am embarrassed at the very thought.
Savlon, who are you that knows about ...
Savlon, who are you that knows about who is being drpped off in a limo? were you that dork watching from the side cause he/she wasn't included in the fun and rewards noting down the ins and outs? what a nerd. Who cares? who's keeping count? At least some attention's being paid to us for a change. (i mean as musicians) Personally i couldn't keep an "eat my own shit" about how they got there at least there's some support for music in this country. Now arre the days when we can charge more than $2 for entry to a gig because of all the support for nz music etc.. It may be sad but at least it's a start. Yes it is really sad and uncool but I dont care, I'll ride around the block in that limo a million times if it boosts nz music even just a fraction.
You belong in that limo, champion....
You belong in that limo, champion.
//At least some attention's being paid ...
//At least some attention's being paid to us for a change. (i mean as musicians)
I think last years Tui's were the 1st not broadcast live in a while, yup way to pay attention.... big improvement this year but... public can get tickets and woohoo 1&1/2 hours of edited hilights the night after on C4 repeated a whole bloody week later on TV3 ... oh yes way to pay attention all right.
Savlon, who are you that knows about ...
Savlon, who are you that knows about who is being drpped off in a limo? were you that dork watching from the side cause he/she wasn't included in the fun and rewards noting down the ins and outs? what a nerd. Who cares? who's keeping count? At least some attention's being paid to us for a change. (i mean as musicians) Personally i couldn't keep an "eat my own shit" about how they got there at least there's some support for music in this country. Now arre the days when we can charge more than $2 for entry to a gig because of all the support for nz music etc.. It may be sad but at least it's a start. Yes it is really sad and uncool but I dont care, I'll ride around the block in that limo a million times if it boosts nz music even just a fraction.
Did you have to post it twice because ...
Did you have to post it twice because it's so profound? I like how you thought about it for ten minutes before deciding that yes, it needed to be posted a second time. A+ Excellent work.
Attention? Look, if Donny brash gets ...
Attention? Look, if Donny brash gets in, you're gonna be praying for attention. Probably force you to write better songs as well.
yes goodo attack the messenger, cut the ...
yes goodo attack the messenger, cut the tall poppy... i'm used to it dont worry. i'm planting the seeds youre busy poisoning the plant. you've got nothing useful to say, obviously i made a mistake. some of us are making real music not sitting at our keyboards all the time. who cares. do you have enough musicians yet portia? What does portia mean? What the hell does Savlon mean? Whats your band gonna be called portia?
Nice calls bunbun, you're right I ...
Nice calls bunbun, you're right I should stop being such an internet loser. Um I think the band will be called Portia but maybe not. I have some musicians that I am meeting up with this week.
Savlon is a commerically available ...
Savlon is a commerically available disinfectant. Portia doesn't mean much, it's a name. Like John, or Alfred. It's also a very cool spider, but I didn't know that until cleanie told me so. Portia was a shakespearean character.
// cut the tall poppy. bzzzzzzt!!!! ...
// cut the tall poppy.
bzzzzzzt!!!! First mention of TPS from bunbun in only their fourth post!
20 points to me!
Fair doss, Noizy. I saw it but ...
Fair doss, Noizy. I saw it but hesitated.
//It's also a very cool ...
//It's also a very cool spider
It's a 'fucken' cool spider. It sits and watches other spiders walking across their webs, then it mimics their walk so it can walk right up to them and eat them. It can mimic the wind as well, so the soon to be eaten spider thinks it's just a light breeze and them -bam- it's dead.
What's girly about that?
//What's girly about that? Lots of ...
//What's girly about that?
Lots of things, because guess what? Girls are great! I think they're more likely to kill like the portia spider than boys.
Interestingly enough, a google iamge ...
Interestingly enough, a google iamge search for portia spider, turned up this delightful picture of 'portia and spider'. I found the real spider as well, it's an ugly bastard, looks like dead leaves.
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ARe you female?...
ARe you female?
No....
No.
mpd, anyone? (shifty)...
mpd, anyone? (shifty)
Negative....
Negative.
check your gmail account....
check your gmail account.
Right, now I get it. Ok. No, I admit ...
Right, now I get it. Ok. No, I admit portia is a faggy name for a guy. It was to be a the name of a band that I was in around the time joined this site (under that name) and since I've done lots of posting under that name, I've since run with it. But maybe it's time to get a new name....
What about the mint chicks? No one's ...
What about the mint chicks? No one's getting their backs arched over that any more
Yeah you're right. Fuck it. I'll ...
Yeah you're right. Fuck it. I'll leave it as is.
portia is a gemale character who is ...
portia is a gemale character who is beautiful intelligent and wealthy thats all. whos got mpd?
oppsy i meant female....
oppsy i meant female.
this thread started so well. sorry ...
this thread started so well. sorry Savlon.
Well, anyway, those RIANZ fuckers ...
Well, anyway, those RIANZ fuckers really fuck me off. They should look into the reaseach about when the American record industry brought in the fuckin' commercial cassette. Their arguments were the same in the mid-sevenites as they are with now with cd duplication.
Anyway I think they've realised that. So many prescedents were set in American copyright law in the 70's related to cassette duplication. Thank fuck for that. The internet was only a twinkle in their appley eyes.
I don't know much about them, but I am ...
I don't know much about them, but I am in a posting mood today, Sounds pretty funny having one limo going round and round.
I think it would be cool if musicians pulled up in a big Valiant Charger billowing black smoke everywher or in the bass players van (painted pink, like Missconducts van). I'm not against a limo though, if people can afford a limo then let them bring their own.
Does anyone know how much cd sales have ...
Does anyone know how much cd sales have gone down since cd copying capabilities increased? What are the record companies doing about it now? Sorry i live in a selfish vaccum. Is fuck your favourite word savlon?
// Does anyone know how much cd sales ...
// Does anyone know how much cd sales have gone down since cd copying capabilities increased?
there's some info on the rianz site, link below. perhaps you want info independent of rianz however. can't help soz :) but I'm sure you're resourceful with your googling
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// Does anyone know how much cd sales ...
// Does anyone know how much cd sales have gone down since
// cd copying capabilities increased?
When would say 'cd copying capabilities' increased, exactly? The industry would lead you to believe that file-sharing and cd-burning have had a dramatic effect on CD sales, but various studies show this isn't really the case (and that file-sharers actually buy more than fair share of music). Here's a wee blurb from the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry on last year's music sale trends [http://www.ifpi.org/site-content/PRESS/20050322.html]...
Global sales of recorded music were flat in 2004, with a slight reduction in physical audio sales offset by growing sales of DVD music videos and a sharp increase in sales of digital music. Regionally, 2004 saw strong markets in the US and UK and a slowing rate of decline in other major markets.
Sales of physical formats declined by 1.3% in value (and by 0.4% in units) to US$33.6 billion. (The growth calculation is net of exchange rate fluctuations, comparing with US$34.1 billion in 2004). But with sales of music downloads via the internet and mobile phones making their first mark on the global market in 2004, total global sales are estimated to be flat in comparison to the previous year.
Even excluding digital sales, 2004 was the best year-on-year trend in global music sales for five years. Sales of top-selling albums reversed several years of decline. Top 10 albums sales globally rose by 14%, while the top 50 albums were up 8% in value. Eight albums sold more than five million in 2004, up from five in 2003.
Digital sales rose exponentially, with the total number of tracks downloaded in 2004 (including album tracks) up more than tenfold on 2003, to over 200 million in the four major digital music markets (US, UK, France, Germany). The trend has continued in 2005, with digital sales in the US in the first two months more than double that of the same period in 2004.
// What are the record companies doing about it now?
Producing music I want to buy.
And just by way of footnote to ...
And just by way of footnote to Noizyboy's info, there was an article in today's newspaper about the US situation, reporting a moan about how the availability of recordabe CDs has caused a decline in sales of CDs. Total CD sales are down 7% on last year, but total sales of music, all formats, is up 21%. Not exactly ready to start crying on the music industry's behalf quite yet - they're getting there whack, and maybe the changes in the ways in which they are selling music has more to do with the decline in CD sales. There may be no causal connection at all between the alleged increase in sales of recordable CD and drop in recorded Cds.
Then some chica from a two-outlet record shop says that hardest hit were hiphop and R'n'B, without stopping to consider there might have been shifts in tastes, there might not have been anyone with any compelling value in either genre, at least in comparison with the year before.
I think they need to take more care in establishing causality before hammering us with these numbers: next thing they'll be using statistics to tell us that anti-depressants cause depression, because there are more depressed/suicidal people on anti-depressants than not. Whoops - they've already tried telling us that one.
quick question..noizy will probably ...
quick question..noizy will probably know.
Have rianz had sponsored categories in the past? I've never really noticed, this years awards seem sponsored up the wazoo.
PlayStation® 2 SingStar™ Album of the Year
Coke Fridge Best Group
Clean & Clear® Best Female Solo Artist
The New Zealand Herald Songwriter of the Year
42BELOW Highest Selling NZ Album
Durex Best Urban/Hip Hop Album
C4 Best Music Video.
Vodafone People’s Choice Award
haha...the "clean and clear" female solo artist award reminds me of the old "tampax scholarship" at the rockquest.
witty...
witty
// Have rianz had sponsored categories ...
// Have rianz had sponsored categories in the past?
I'm not sure, to tell the truth. I always delete the sponsors' names when editing my own news so, so I've got no record of who (if anyone) did them in the past.
The b.net awards really kicked off the trend of sponsored awards.
That giant playstation controller they had as a dais a few years back...sheesh.
//I'm not sure, to tell the truth. I ...
//I'm not sure, to tell the truth. I always delete the sponsors' names when editing my own news so, so I've got no record of who (if anyone) did them in the past
Does having sponsored awards mean that musicians get cash prizes (or like, a year's supply of tampons)? Did they previously get prizes?
to put a rough figure on it, how many ...
to put a rough figure on it, how many tampons would a years supply entail?
Well, let's assume that you're ...
Well, let's assume that you're regular, so you have 12 periods a year, that last for 5 days each, and you use 5 tampons every 24 hours - that's 25 x 12 = 300.
thanks, and what's the average cost ...
thanks, and what's the average cost for one?
Well, I use Carefree tampons, and the ...
Well, I use Carefree tampons, and the best way to buy them is in big boxes of 48, which cost about $9, so they cost about 19 centes each.
you could save fifty bucks and just use ...
you could save fifty bucks and just use leaves, what's this got to do with the red carpet?
//just use leaves.... red carpet own ...
//just use leaves.... red carpet
own question answered
I suppose that what I had meant was ...
I suppose that what I had meant was "Will the sponsors of each award be giving the winner their products as part of the prize?" , and I couldn't help slipping in the tampon line because Blink had referenced it with his mention of Tampax sponsoring Rockquest.
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I think Portia is a great name. For a ...
I think Portia is a great name. For a band too. I think I'll call my next child Portia.
sure to get confusing...
sure to get confusing
It sure is a great tune....
It sure is a great tune.
Sadly, it sounds a lot like "porsche". ...
Sadly, it sounds a lot like "porsche". A lot. But other than that it's quite lovely. And the spider - so extremely excellent. It mimics for crying out loud. It mimics, then eats other spiders. Cool AND tough. I think after all this talk about it I'll have to call my next band Portia after all.
I can't say Miles Davis or Marcus ...
I can't say Miles Davis or Marcus Miller have ever sounded like an expensive European Car.
I concur with the "Cool and Tough" though.
The Tuis or what ever they may be ...
The Tuis or what ever they may be called made me feel a bit funny last year (but i would love to win one!) for a number of reasons...
1. The Limo thing; you had to get out and walk past a crowd of teenagers waiting for scribe (we chose to wallk in the side entrance and bypass limo shtick)
2. the naked export gold woman serving beer with painted tits...hmmmm
3. the best christian or gospel album.... duh. I think Mikee Havoc said "Does this mean we get a best Islamic album next year?"
4. the fact that nzidol winner one 'biggest selling single". I hate those sort of awards. They should have an award this year for winning the most awards last year, just so they can give something to Scribe.
....the good things about it were the piles and piles of free booze and Pluto playing at the after party. Oh and over-hearing N#$%i Wa^$%n say "I'm to nervous to go on stage, I'm soooo stoned!"(actually Luke heard her say that, but we did have a good chuckle