be honest.
Even if a musical act tries its guts out, is loved by the new zealand public, gets the best production available and has a kick arse video, what can a new zealand music artist expect? is it possible to make a living from music? is it possible to break into a forign market and be loved overseas? or are new zealand musicians just chasing an impossable dream.
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In terms of what limits are there? ...
In terms of what limits are there? Well, none really. The real question is 'what are you prepared to sacrifice?'
One of the healthiest things you can ever do is recognise the limits of your ambition.
Anything is possible. There are New ...
Anything is possible. There are New Zealand artists who make a living off their music, although very few who have exactly got rich out of it... and there are a few NZ artists who have made it overseas, but never in a very big way. I was talking to a Brit the other day who was a great fan of Crowded House, though, and she'd heard of the Datsuns, so the situation isn't as bad as you'd think.
As to whether people can *expect* that? Nah. You have to be really good, AND really lucky. It's not impossible though, by any means.
Yeah.... The datsuns got treated like ...
Yeah.... The datsuns got treated like shit in New Zealand too...
Well, I think it's very possible to ...
Well, I think it's very possible to break into a foreign market... but, I do think New Zealanders have this weird thing about a "New Zealand sound". Perhaps that's why New Zealand bands in general don't do well overseas...
or maybe musicians should stop trying ...
or maybe musicians should stop trying to pursue commercial success from their music and concentrate on actually making music.
piss off fur boy. people SHOULD be able ...
piss off fur boy. people SHOULD be able to make a living from music if they want to. NZ doesn't have the population to support musicians so OF COURSE we need to be looking at how to get into overseas markets. Just because you have commercial success doesn't mean you're a shite musician. jeez you're a dork.
//NZ doesn't have the population to ...
//NZ doesn't have the population to support musicians so OF COURSE we need to be looking at how to get into overseas markets.
Bollocks. NZ has the population to support musicians, but it revolves around the public actually giving a shit, which most of them don't.
//Just because you have commercial success doesn't mean you're a shite musician. jeez you're a dork.
Where exactley did he say that commerical musicans are 'shite'? Please point it out for me because I totally missed it!
All he was saying was that instead of approaching it as a potenital business perhaps people should approach it more as an artistic endevour - which personally is an opinion I agree with.
scott there are musicians out there who ...
scott there are musicians out there who don't want to work in a goverment department or a bank or make coffee for the rest of their lives. I mean why SHOULDN"T we make a living out of music? we spend so much of our lives working that why shouldn't we work in an industry that we love?
Why shouldn't we get our music heard overseas? It can be done- I think fat freddies is worthy of a bloody thesis on their marketing strategies. Sure they could SURVIVE on NZ alone, but they're an expensive band, and the overseas marketing they've done is about to pay off i think. So why not?
point being that being a professional musician is a viable career option now. And not everyone is content with being a hobby musician.
its such a dumb argument.
O and if you're serious, then it ...
O and if you're serious, then it SHOULD be treated like a business. Thats what managers are for, so the artists can concentrate on artistic endeavors without sullying their fragile minds with taxes and money.
Kirk - before you fly off your handle ...
Kirk - before you fly off your handle you should actually try reading my post.
All I was saying was that it was bollocks that there was not enough population to support musicians. I said nothing at all about any of the other stuff about how people SHOULD be able to be professional musicians if they want - and there is nothing stopping them from doing that NOW. I never said otherwise.
I did express the opinion that I would be interested in more bands approaching things from less of a commercial angle (simply because not a lot of commercially orientate music appeals to me) - but as I said that was a personal opinion.
i never fly off my handle. i don't ...
i never fly off my handle.
i don't think the population in Wellington is big enough to support more than three gigs a weekend. i'm sure Ak is a different story... maybe...
//i don't think the population in ...
//i don't think the population in Wellington is big enough to support more than three gigs a weeked...
hahhahahahahhahhahhahhaaaa,...ha.
Right enough of this...
yeah enough. didn't mean to just ...
yeah enough. didn't mean to just really don't like furboy, think he's a dick.
Alot of underground new zealand music ...
Alot of underground new zealand music is craved for on a big scale in the northern hemisphere, especially the US. I've had releases there, press there, my god i got fans there. Why don't i just go there. no, i can't afford it and gee, we don't know how lucky we are here. It is totally plausible to make a living off your music if you are canny with the net. Theres software available now that allows you to sell your music as a download via paypal anywhere, anytime. There are copious email groups one can join to popularize your music. If you have a decent enought product, it is very likely you could make a humble living off selling it online. I'm workin on it right now, soon enough the world will be able to buy my 65 cd backcatalogue as a friggin download. Ewww, more crude. ewwww. ewwwwwwww.
I think NZ has an excellent infrastructure in place for its music, but I don't think traditional methods of promotion and sales pay off. Theres a new system comin', totally indie, totally artist controlled, totally global. The proliferation of music like this is perhaps one of the only positives to emerge from 'globalisation'.