saw it on the news last night - follows UK trends along same lines. Even Tony Blair thinks its a good idea..
India Knight, writing in the UK's Sunday Times on this issue, suggests that "Hoodies say different things in different places. In Australia and New Zealand they say that the wearer — the hoodee — is either a surfer or a skateboarder or both and therefore smiley, benign, probably a bit stoned in a friendly, dolphin-loving sort of way."
Unfortunately, Knight is mistaken on the smiley, benign part (okay, so she's kidding round a bit) - last night there was a story on the TV evening news about a local shopping mall in NZ banning hoodies and baseball caps, for security reasons, and to stop other shoppers feeling intimidated. See, shoplifters frequently wear hoodies with the hood pulled up, which makes identifying them on security cameras difficult, as the hood obscures their face. There were soundbites from shoppers, mall staff, and hoodie wearers, both for and against.
Hoodies and baseball caps are of course the fashion domain of hiphop fans, and as hiphop becomes more and more popular in this country, so does its fashion. Hence, now it seems that if you are a young male teen who loves his hiphop and dress in the hiphop fashion, then you must be a potential criminal. Bummer, huh?
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//Hence, now it seems that if you are a ...
//Hence, now it seems that if you are a young male teen who loves his hiphop and dress in the hiphop fashion, then you must be a potential criminal. Bummer, huh?
I think that's a bit of an excessive conclusion; personally I can't see too much wrong with some mall security giving a friendly heads-up to a couple of guys to take their hoods down, if it makes it easier to spot genuine troublemakers (and more notably make it obvious who the trouble isn't). Any guy with a slouch and a hood over their face inside is going to look shifty and it's got nothing to do with hiphop.
That said, I've recently gotten a top with a really nice hood that I really like wearing & I'd be a bit pissed off if I was asked not to wear it. Mind you, the top was from a specialty store and looks like it's made of pink curtains, so I'd have to be pretty retarded to think I was going to look anonymous in it.
// looks like it's made of pink ...
// looks like it's made of pink curtains,
haha..exactly the same as me. My gf bought me back a pink hoodie from aussie and i get the strangest looks.
but its a 'manly' pink, right????...
but its a 'manly' pink, right????
// I'd be a bit pissed off if I was ...
// I'd be a bit pissed off if I was asked not to wear it.
is this more than just being asked to take the hood off your head? most places do that already.
hey Carl, any examples????...
hey Carl, any examples????
//is this more than just being asked to ...
//is this more than just being asked to take the hood off your head?
Yeah I was going to bring that point up. It's not the hoodie itself that's being banned is it - rather just wearing the hood up.
I say putting it down is only polite - it's like not wearing hats indoors. Learn some manners, kids! Sheesh.
Joanna, good points! It is banning of ...
Joanna, good points! It is banning of wearing hoodies with the hood up inside malls, shops etc. Also some high schools too in the UK
Not Carl, but McDonalds in Dunedin have ...
Not Carl, but McDonalds in Dunedin have banned the wearing of hoods for years. No doubt they will have in other spots as well.
a very cold night a while ago i turned ...
a very cold night a while ago i turned up to hell with my hood on. before i even got to the door the door dude was telling me to take it off [my head]. i was hoping it would be warm enough in there that i wouldnt need to wear it anyway.
and many night club kind of bar places (is that what theyre called i try to avoid them) wont let me inside with a hoodie on. like i have to take the whole jersey off. bars dont seem to care so much.
its not unlike expecting someone to put their umbrella down before going in to a shop
do they still make you take off ...
do they still make you take off motorcycle helmets in banks?
Yes. That was my immediate thought as ...
Yes. That was my immediate thought as well. If motorbike riders have to take their lids off, then it seems pretty reasonable to do the same with hoodies. And a hood is a fuckload easier to get off than a motorbike helmet (especially if you wear glasses)...
yes, thats still the case for motorbike ...
yes, thats still the case for motorbike helmets in banks.
As far as your comment Heather, this ban on hoodies is basically demonizing youths.
//this ban on hoodies is basically ...
//this ban on hoodies is basically demonizing youths.
Not convinced of that logic. Personally I think that requesting that people doff their hoods when they walk into a mall is no more demonising than getting smokers to take it outside.
I guess it's possible that be-hoodied men are being unfairly singled out as criminals just because you can't see their faces. However, I think if mall security have a bunch of tapes showing shoplifting going on, and a high proportion of the culprits have hoods on to avoid identification, I don't think it's an especially unfair (or major) request. If they don't have that kind of correlation then that'd be a bit crap.
...although I might add, after reading ...
...although I might add, after reading the first sentence of your blog, is that outlawing hoodies entirely is patently ridiculous.
its not only "youths" who wear hoodies. ...
its not only "youths" who wear hoodies. But i dont think they should ban them, the hip hop fashion will change soon enough and the malls wont keep up with the change.
//mall security have a bunch of tapes ...
//mall security have a bunch of tapes showing shoplifting going on, and a high proportion of the culprits have hoods on to avoid identification,//
yeah, didnt think of that.
its also a ban on baseball caps too, as ...
its also a ban on baseball caps too, as they obscure the face. Count how many people you pass wearing them next time you walk down the street, then consider a ban on them - sound silly, but so does banning Scribes fave piece of clothing...
It's not a ban on wearing them in the ...
It's not a ban on wearing them in the street, it's a ban on wearing them inside Queensgate Mall, which is after all private property. This is nothing different than pubs that won't allow gang patches or ripped jeans and sneakers, or a friend who won't let you wear your shoes inside their house. Simply said, it is not a sinister plot against everyone who likes their music to go boom-chicity-boom.
i totally agree - the malls are ...
i totally agree - the malls are private property, therefore if they wan ta dress code, fair enough. Living in fear of people wearing hoodies with the hoods up tho....
//Living in fear of people wearing ...
//Living in fear of people wearing hoodies with the hoods up tho....
Yeah, it's not so much the "ban" that's the problem - it's the media uproar. Just reading through the google news results for "ban hoodies", there's some seriously sensationalist rubbish being bandied about, so yeah, I can see where you get the demonisation issue from. Also, the places reported on, with a headline "hoodies banned", range right from the full-on no-tolerance don't-even-think-of-wearing-one (along with a suggestion to ban unaccompanied youths in one particular mall) through to a polite request to take the hood down.
//mall security have a bunch of tapes ...
//mall security have a bunch of tapes showing shoplifting going on, and a high proportion of the culprits have hoods on to avoid identification,//
that claim is true - as long as youve got these hoody clad Chavs in a store something bad is bound to happen and security take action.
Mysterious figures in hoods have been ...
Mysterious figures in hoods have been freaking people out for centuries.
Perhaps most of the threat is in the eye of the beholder, but unless you have some hideous disfiguring growth on your head and/or neck, there's not really any need to wear hood indoors.
hoodies have been round before the ...
hoodies have been round before the world caught onto hiphop fashion.
I was once denied entry into a club ...
I was once denied entry into a club because I was wearning a reasonably dressy brimmed hat. Or at least, I was denied until my friends came back out to look for me. Apparently it's OK to go to that club wearing such a hat if you're accompanied by having a dozen people dressed up as schoolgirls...
The bouncer looked a bit uncomfortable when he realised that by excluding me, he'd just lost 'core' clientele. He suddenly became all fawning and smarmy trying to get me (well mostly my friends) back in. My friends have more principle than that, and conveniently were carrying a whip. I couldn't work out from the look on his face whether he was terrified, or being threatened by a whip carrying schoolgirl was the completion of a fantasy for him.
I might be the odd one out here but i ...
I might be the odd one out here but i think its a great idea - im sick of all these stupid chavs loitering around the place causing trouble and shit saying to us "can you buy me some smokes/booze?" WTF get your fucking own fool.
id go one step further, ban mini skirts from malls too - sorry we dont want you get-away-with-everything sluts hanging out here its a modest std of dress or nothing. pardon my bluntness. by chavs and slappers are "public enemy number one".
Yeah those mini skirts make it really ...
Yeah those mini skirts make it really hard to identify shoplifters on security cameras.
I'm of 2 minds on the mini skirts - on ...
I'm of 2 minds on the mini skirts - on one hand they make going to get my coffee every morning in 277 a more eye goggling (and pants bulging?) experience than watching hip-hop videos, and on the other hand during school holidays you don't know where to look cos shes probably 13, it looks more like a belt than a skirt and she should need a license to wear that thing.
The Southpark episode on Paris summed it up spectacularly I thought. Best SP evar!!111!~
//id go one step further, ban mini ...
//id go one step further, ban mini skirts from malls too
What? A young, single male wants to ban mini-skirts? You're not gay are you?
//I'm of 2 minds on the mini skirts - ...
//I'm of 2 minds on the mini skirts - on one hand they make going to get my coffee every morning in 277 a more eye goggling (and pants bulging?) experience than watching hip-hop videos, and on the other hand during school holidays you don't know where to look cos shes probably 13, it looks more like a belt than a skirt and she should need a license to wear that thing.
But to quote this guy, I have to agree.
Chavs? haha thats such a pom ...
Chavs? haha thats such a pom comment!
seriously those little kids at st lukes in their hoddies know NOTHING. to all the parents: send your "chavs" out to rewa for 72 hours...i bet they call within 24 and tell you to come pick em up cos they cant handle! its hilarious, those kids dont even know what it means to be street...rewa is only like 5% of how LA is...or even new york. get over it ffs!
REWA HARD(??!!)
ohh just like to add though, im not a ...
ohh just like to add though, im not a complete fool, of course i know there are gangs in new that have the potential to do serious damage (i know this from first hand experience), so im not dismissing the criminal going ons etc etc
im rambling...sorry if this doesnt make sense
//What? A young, single male wants to ...
//What? A young, single male wants to ban mini-skirts? You're not gay are you?
100% straight but immoral fashions and the attention-whores that wear them piss me off to the max, largely cos i have 2 sisters in the 15-30 age group who are likely to fall victim to the "chavism/preppiness" in fact one sister is a "recovering prep" but its like alcoholism you could always slip back, and she needs all the motivation and brotherly assistance needed to avoid falling back into this evil.
// ban mini skirts from malls too - ...
// ban mini skirts from malls too - sorry we dont want you get-away-with-everything sluts hanging out here its a modest std of dress or nothing.
Luci, we've gone over this before. Whilst mini skirts do mean that there's less fabric between you and the young lady's genital region, a mini skirt will not cause the spread of STDs, modest or not.
mini skirts CAN be appropriate... but ...
mini skirts CAN be appropriate... but only if the rest of the outfit is modest is pretty much the only time it can be pulled off. it works at the beach aswell...apart from that, yeah you cant really get much mileage out of the mini.
Robin Hood stole from the rich and gave ...
Robin Hood stole from the rich and gave to the poor. Still a criminal activity mind you.
Love,
Nadine AKA the Sheriff of Nottingham
i like to put my hood up when my head ...
i like to put my hood up when my head is cold. sometimes shopping malls are cold.
but you're pretty gangstah......
but you're pretty gangstah...