The New Wave Of 'Disposable' Rock Bands...

anyone else read the article in todays Sunday Star Times basically namechecking (and dissing) a whole lot of established and underground New Zealand bands and musicians and using a couple of Auckland bands to describe our local music scene as 'throwaway' for some wierd reason. .. . real fucking strange article, to me the Sunday Star Times keeps plumbing lower and lower depths of journalism....

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no..sounds entriging. pleaase elaborate.

I'm intrigued.

You got any net links to it?

There has been a proliferation of mediocre guitar bands world-wide lately - not just in New Zealand.

Can name some of the bands?

What was that stupid band with the guy who assaulted Jack White? The Von Bondies? Man they were shit. Nice claim to fame - Jack beats you senseless, and your fifteen minutes starts ticking.

/The Von Bondies
I saw them in Melbourne... The Hoodangers (Said: Who Dang Ers) who I saw at a small pub in Fitzroy kicked their arse.

I just checked stuff.co.nz but found nothing about disposable bands... except a fairly scathing aticle by Grant Smithies on 'bands to avoid', but there's no NZ bands in there that I could see...

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i haven't got it in front of me, but it was in the magazine section of yesterday's sunday star times, basically bemoaning the amount of bands in New Zealand, and saying not many were successful, and how ' making a band is so easy these days (comparing it (as usual) to the punk rock of the late 70's...
there was a large paragraph in the middle basically saying 'Have you heard of ....' then listing about 100 up and coming and/or established kiwi bands including Die!Die!Die!, This Night Creeps, The Coolies, The Sore Cocks, Disasteradio, plenty more i'd heard of, a few i hadn't, and then quoting some Auckland band called 'The Whipping Cats' (or something) about how they'd trown their band together and were playing gigs and such....it would be worth transcribing a copy on here, i'll try find one unless someone else can first...

I read the article... didn't think it was "be-moaning" or in any way complaining, just stating that there were more bands now than at any time ever before. Which may well be true. And also commenting (in a positive way) that playing in a band was becoming "accepted" as a recreational pursuit. Jeez, well they'd be 30 or 40 years behind the times on THAT little pearl of wisdom. Who plays in a band as a friggin' career??!! Not many. Ah well, that's the papers for you. I think it was all ust an excuse to put an attractive Debbie Harry clone rock-chick on the front cover...

// Who plays in a band as a friggin' career??!! Not many.

actually, that opinion was what fucked me off about the article. The dozen or so bands in that list that I have taken on tour are all playing music as a life choice, it's their passion and their desired career (not working in a cafe) They are not just playing in a fun goodtime band as that article alluded and you assume. Sure they have fun while they are playing, because they are playing music that is true to their spirits and not created for mass consumption, but don't confuse fun and enjoyment with the not fully serious aspirations of a great band.

"all playing music as a life choice, it's their passion and their desired career (not working in a cafe) They are not just playing in a fun goodtime band as that article alluded and you assume."

I see you assume that I assume that "recreational" = fun goodtime. Never assume, Blink. It makes an Ass of U and Me (think about it... but not for too long, its not that clever). Recreational can also = misery badtime (suffering in the name of your art). But, thankfully, usually not.

Playing music is my life choice, passion and desired career too... it's just that I'd starve to death and be homeless if I didn't have a day job to pay the bills (and support my musical habits... like going to your ALH tour shows).

So... recreational is not necessarily the same as fun goodtime, although there is some of that but it's not necessarily the only reason why we do it. Some of us are cursed with the desire for original creativity and enriching others' experience of life through our performance. Well, at least that's how we self-justify the purchase of that must-have piece of musical or recording gear.

But, yep, it was that typical patronising "aren't the kids cute - they'll grow out of it" type of mainstream media take on rock so we are not in disagreement despite your blink(ered) assumptions!!! Long live A Low Hum (and its heirs and successors....)!

haha. this whole debate is about twisting words to fit our own meanings. The article did paint a picture of a bunch of people having a laugh and not taking their art form seriously. Just cause goldenaxe dress in masks and disasteradio sometimes covers 80s computer game theme songs, does not mean that their approach to what they do is any less serious then any other band. I wasn't hassling your words so much as binging it back to the underlying sentiment in that article.

dont fret bro... there will be plenty more low hum action for you to spend those hard earned bucks on.

i think the point they were trying to make is that there were heaps of nz bands out there trying new things and not trying to be "commercially viable" like a lot of kiwi bands in the recent past (they named stellar* and the feelers as such bands). I thought they were making a fairly good point that more people are forming bands now more for the enjoyment of it not just to form a career out of it.

The term "disposable" was a bit wierd but i don't think they meant it in a negative way.

//The term "disposable" was a bit wierd but i don't think they meant it in a negative way. -nah neither. And really, that sunday magazine is a pile of trash usually. I was impressed they even had the clout to go to NZmusic.com and cut and paste from the list of bands.

//more people are forming bands now more for the enjoyment of it not just to form a career out of it.

how is this any different to the last 30 years? people have always played music for enjoyment, its rare for a band to start up in new zealand with the primary intent of 'making it big'

// how is this any different to the last 30 years?

it's not.

that was my main gripe with the article, in that it tried to make it look like there's been this 'explosion' of new non-commercial acts in the last couple of years.

The worst bit was the editorial introduction, which was appalling. She stated that she knew next to nothing about the scene, got one of her knowledgable reporters to work off the vaguest of briefs to produce a report on the 'big new Auckland scene'. (The writer being Bianca Zander, who does actually know her stuff, and, in fact, and who wrote a pretty good article given the direction she had been told to go in.)

There have always been a lot of underground indie bands in NZ. Just because the editor of a glossy throwaway from a weekly Sunday paper has heard about this phenomenon for the first doesn't make it 'new' in any way.

well shit...isn't that good news? that dicks are now taking notice?

i mean, we do so much mocking of the mainstream, surely its time that they got some of their own back.

// well shit...isn't that good news? that dicks are now taking notice?

yeah, I reckon. And like I say, I thought the article itself wasn't too bad - it was just the premise it was based on was lame.

the thing that got me was that several of the bands listed are pretty established in the new zealand scene and overseas, at least a few had toured or played shows in Australia or further afield... i know i'd be embarrassed to publish a free article on a subject i knew nothing about, so why does a commercial newspaper do it??? surely a little research could have helped, potentially it could have been a great article, if approached from the right angle...

// i know i'd be embarrassed to publish a free article on a
// subject i knew nothing about, so why does a commercial newspaper do it?

isn't that their normal modus operandi?

a bit odd considering 6 months ago they wrote an article about die die die giving them big ups and stuff, now they write an article asking "have you heard of them?"

//i mean, we do so much mocking of the mainstream, surely its time that they got some of their own back.

$15,000 has lost you any credibility as indie,

// $15,000 has lost you any credibility as indie,

haha. but being sponsored by Jack Daniels didn't?

jack daniels is cool, the government isn't.
if you were able to do your stuff entirely with private sponsorship you may be able to win back cred, but as of right now son, you're a glammed up civil servant.

//jack daniels is cool, the government isn't.
if you were able to do your stuff entirely with private sponsorship you may be able to win back cred, but as of right now son, you're a glammed up civil servant.

haha. funny shit. I know you're pulling my leg. Hmmm...maybe i should change my opinion on that BP sonosorship plan.... I'd so much rather endorse BP then creativenz.

me too

//haha. but being sponsored by Jack Daniels didn't? //

Rope, why bother? Blinkos insults himself better than you ever could...

fuck a tree dick.

actually don't.

I'm hurt! You know, once again i'm totally blasted away by some NZM disposable insults...
For someone who dishes them out so easy you seem pretty defensive...
P.S. I'm serious as fuck

right, um, could you possibly get Jon Sr. on the line for me please.

// right, um, could you possibly get Jon Sr. on the line for me please. //

He hasn't been round since Jonny put up his boots

dude the line was right there. we don't need a repeat of that drivel.

the article pretty much talked about edens bar, kraod, kiss and makeup and the bands involved in that scene: whippingcats, goldenaxe, teenwolf, disasterradio, musche, shocking pinks, mint chicks, fanatics, vacant, sneaks, reduction agents, die die die, coolies, charlie ash, connan and mockasins, and a few more i cant remember. it talks to musche, whipping cats, kiss and makeup people, and basically talks about how there are heaps on bands in this scene, and its easy to make a band.
i will type it up if someone wants, or maybe i could do half and someone else the other half.
however,
all in all,
crap article,
go away.

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Not only are the bands tragic, but also the supposed 'tastemakers' and the journalist (grasping for a story)

i thought it was alright... for a disposable bit of fluff to read over brunch anyway. it didn't make me spill my coffee or cough up my scambled eggs yesterday lunchtime.
it reeked a bit of "instant scene - just add article", but that's not a bad thing... and AK came off as being full of scene-hopping sad fucks, but that's not a bad thing either. or inaccurate ;-)
bianca zander knows her music, she's not some sad little J2 trying to make a name for themselves.

"bianca zander knows her music, she's not some sad little J2 trying to make a name for themselves. "

the same Zander that sold up and went to the UK a couple of years back, failed miserably and returned to write for such high class magazines as the AA mag "Directions" ?

Yeah right...

Perhaps if John Russell or Troy Fergueson aor Scott Kara or Rebecca Barry had written the aricle... but then it would've been written at all, 'cos they don't write tales of fiction...

*coughRTRcough*

Hey !

AA's Directions magazine is kinda cool

"AA's Directions magazine is kinda cool "

oh dear, oh dear dear dear.... cool as in the fonz from happy days ????

well a lot of lot cooler than Rip It Up, I'd say

'well a lot of lot cooler than Rip It Up, I'd say'

oh you mean cool as in John Travolta from the movie "Grease"

oh how post-ironic humourous you are woooodgy.

From the same maggot who gave us his/her taxpayer funded muscians Monday rundown last week that's pretty lame

ha ha ha I win, you lose the arguement.

righto, plankton

"the same Zander that sold up and went to the UK a couple of years back, failed miserably and returned to write for such high class magazines as the AA mag "Directions" ?"
writing for mags like "Directions" pays the bills. (you know, those things grown ups have to pay...)
being a freelance in NZ is not as much fun as it might seem... like moving to the UK.

//Failed miserably

That's a bit rough. A lot of people move to the uk for non-career related goals, dude. Like leaving small-town xenophobes behind for a couple of years and experiencing the wonders of travelling through Europe. Ever done the big OE yourself?

Scene hopping fucks? Didn't you just sign two of Auckland's most fashionable artists?

// AA's Directions magazine is kinda cool

Strangely enough, it is.

Hugh Sundae is on the cover of the latest issue, but there appears to be no mention of him on the inside (?!)

Directions now seems to attract quite cool freelance writers, not the old "60-year-olds with an axe to grind" AA writers. It's a cool little travel-orientated magazine.

//Directions now seems to attract quite cool freelance writers,

According to their editorialising, they've realised that a) they have the biggest "subscriber" base (although i don't know anybody that belongs to the AA just for the magazine) of any magazine in NZ, and it's a very diverse group, so they've spread their scope.