Why? Because their first album was hugely popular, so that gives them bonus points.

But back then Rubicon were young and cute and there was the whole "Marshall from Shortland street!!!!!!!" thing buoying them along.

But now there are younger, cuter bands doing the pop/punk thing (48 May... sigh...), so if Rubicon try and release, say, Bruce Pt 2, it won't work, and if they try and get too grown up, the grown-ups will laugh at them and that won't work either.

So it will be interesting to see what this Mutha Mutha turns out to be.

// ANY of those artists got videos

haha...i mean "any of those artists get video grants"

nah... i just reckon it means they'd be able to buy some flash pants and a enough masking tape to get them around the south island again. Of course I'd love t see them get funding, but for that to happen, they'd have to be able to be playlisted on a commercial NZ radio station...and what are the chances of that?

Goldenaxe have released three albums in just over a year and a fucken good video without the help of funding. respect.

I don't think people make videos ANY better just cause they get funding. 24 of the 25 vids on low hum dvd were unfunded. I reckon they kick the ass of 90% of NZ funded videos. You don't need money, just talent. The trick is getting the video played.

I just had a great idea -
it's not free to send in an application for a grant.
even if you record the music for free (quite unlikely) there's the cost of the blank cds
and then the postage and packaging. some people put in a number of songs/artist per round.

and in the end most of the time it's a freakin waste of money.
add it up - roughly costs $6-$10 to send an application in.

they get about 140 (max) per round, so that's about 200(ish) when there is
a new recordings round too.

of them about 30 get funding: so that leaves maybe 150 who miss out.?
do the sums: makes about $1200.

so instead of sending in your applications knowing you won't get a grant.
why don't you all put $6 or $8 every two months into my bank account.
I'll save it up and every 6 months I (with a panel of experts) will choose a band
to give $3600 to make a video!

sign here..............................

..well the valves are from chch too, but you have a point

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i'm sure if the christchurch/dunedin artists were playing around nz, they'd be just as likely to get a grant as some of the auckland or wellington artists.

auckland is the largest city in nz.... more people go to the gigs.... more people hear about you.... you have more profile etc

it makes sense if more auckland bands get the grants over the timaru bands who play covers at the local pub every friday night after the rugby

//it makes sense if more auckland bands get the grants over the timaru bands who play covers at the local pub every friday night after the rugby//

That pub covers band wouldn't get funding in the first place would it?

Is a band who is originally from, say, Christchurch but who moves up to Auckland still counted as a Christchurch band?

What about a band whose members all grew up in different cities and all independently moved to Auckland, met up and formed a band?

Yeah but hard work doesn't make up for a complete lack of talent........if funding is aimed at commercial success then what the frick are they doing getting funding? What commercial radio station plays shit like that except Kiwi?
And correct me if i'm wrong but Chong Nee who's Dei Hamo's bumboy got a new recording artist grant AND a video grant for 2 different songs when im pretty sure it states that you can't.

Bollocks!

it is ver unfair, but no - it states that you can't get a video and new recording grants for the same song.

you dont think they would do a boo boo like that with so much scrutiny going on about what they are doing.

// if funding is aimed at commercial success then what the frick are they doing getting funding?

hmmm if you went to any of their all ages shows and heard the songs, you'd hear they're as commercial and have potential to be huge. The songs are as catchy as any artist played on zm or the edge... only with an edgy approach

There's definitly melody in there. I could notate the vocals and it could be played on any instrument. I love the rabble but can't do the whole shouting thing that Chazz and Rupe do, so I sing or hum the tunes. So long as there's some sort of catchiness in there... it's likable... whether it's sang, screamed or yelled.

The rabble are probably one of the more extreme bands to get funding, like the bleeders... But I think that's what kids want. They want to hear something extreme, they want to see a band who look extreme... and when they find they're nice guys too then they can relate to that. They want to know you can dress however you want and still be whoever you want. Just because you listen to angry punk, doesn't mean you're an angry person who sleeps in the gutter, and doesn't shower.

Yeah they've been around for a few years, yet they're still only 17, 18, 19 - I don't think because they've been around and playing gigs for so many years works to their disadvantage. When listening to the songs from when they first started, their songs were all fast, all yelling and that's cool if you're in to that.... but as they've matured, the variety in their songs have matured as well. Also, the original line up of the band has changed since they first started.... as new members joined the band, new influences were brought in to the song writing. "Carry On", the song which got the funding is one of their slower love songs and features a mandolin. They would never have done anything like that 2 years a go....

Yes, the band have been around for years... but only now, they are starting to be noticed by a wider audience. Because the scene they were playing in 2 years a go is different to the shows they're doing now... and because the band is still a young band, they're still considered to be a fresh new band.

//Just because you listen to angry punk, doesn't mean you're an angry person who sleeps in the gutter, and doesn't shower.

But it should.

Because then it's far easier to pigeonhole and stereotype people, saving a lot of time and effort being tolerant and/or respectful.

their videos are quite good though.... and their songs are catchy as

//whats your point?

Think it could get shared round a bit more and obviously NZOA like what they offer dah.. not a personal attack, they do have the commercial viabilitly required by NZOA funding standards for mainstream

//sweet love were self funded (from memory)

sweet love was funded, as for down on me - that was paid for by global routes

//well, you must be pretty close to the whole situation, cause only a few people would know that since technically the funding was for "down on me". So whats your beef?

No beef brotha, only the one your creating

//Sam or Ed not asking you to lend a hand?

HAHHAHAHHAHAH HA - don't jump to conclusions

//If you got a personal beef with zamm, quit trying to disguise it with hasseling them for recieving four grants when there is an ASS load of bands out there who have recieved four or more grants.

Not hassling em, just making a point of them coming up in the funding round again - yes your right a lot of other bands have received more (spelt received not recieved) and yes as i am "close" to the situation i take note that they received another grant and good fucken on em

dah

//I just don't know many more bands in the pop industry who have worked as hard or as long as mikey in zamm. I perfer to see them get funding over other "commercial" acts, knowing how much more he works his ass off then alot of the bands who get funding,

fuck yeah - old bernie was saying something like 120 gigs last year - dat be crazy!!

//bands that piss me off are the ones who get funding but you never ever seem to hear from them or see the finished result.

yes indeed, i think back to a particular night vison botch up put it in a blender and spend the rest on piss. well least did something....??? hmmmm

//NZOA know that zamm are a safe bet, cause mikey is reliable and they know that if they give them money it will get spent in right place.

To true, hopefully to us again!

//Ps..the ed/samflux jibe was just me trying to work out who you were.

And now you know...