Creative NZ May Grants results out now...including
I wonder if theses guys get to keep "The Dole" aswell ?
I suppose with Labour dishing out money like this, they can't afford to give us "working for a living" folks a tax break...
I think I'll give Don "Give the workers a go" Brash a go...(http://www.national.org.nz/)
Fat Freddys Drop - $20000
Jacob - $15000
Paddy Free (Pitch Black) - $14978
Fly my pretties - $15000
Lindon Puffin - $6000
Dimmer - $6222
Sugarlicks - $9000
A Low Hum - $15000
Jordan Reyne - $10000
Mahinarangi Tocker - $13500
Moana & The Tribe - $12000
Strike (Percussion) - $15000
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better luck next year woody....
better luck next year woody.
//A Low Hum - $15000 thats ...
//A Low Hum - $15000
thats fantastic, I'm glad to see someone out there acknowledging the good work Ian does.
i'm just confused that Paddy Free and ...
i'm just confused that Paddy Free and Dimmer get seemingly random amounts.... odd...
But i think its a damn good list... though when i read about FFD getting $20,000 to tour the capitalist in me did kinda go.. well hold on... didn't they make some ridiculous amount of money in the last few weeks and can't they look after themselves now? And then the socialist in me said O well, they've got kids and families to feed too, and i'm sure they're still struggling for money... and then the capitalist said well sure, but why am i paying for their jaunts over to the UK so they can get famous and more rich, and then the socialist said, yeah but kirk you've taken money from the government for the same purpose, so you're just being a hypocrite...
//i'm just confused that Paddy Free ...
//i'm just confused that Paddy Free and Dimmer get seemingly random amounts....
With the Creative NZ applications you actually have to provide a budget for your project and let them know exactley how much you are wanting and how the other parts of the project are being funding. My guess for Dimmer is that that amount is only a small proportion of the total cost - the amount that they were unable to cover themselves - hence the strange amount...
[I only know this cause we just applied in that round too]
// though when i read about FFD ...
// though when i read about FFD getting $20,000 to tour the capitalist
// in me did kinda go.. well hold on... didn't they make some ridiculous
// amount of money in the last few weeks and can't they look after
// themselves now?
keywords being "in the last few weeks". I'm pretty sure the applications for this round would have gone in at least a month or so back (or further, Blink? Scott?), so they would have been making a submission with no knowledge of their impending windfall from having a #1 album.
Yeap we did our application about 3 ...
Yeap we did our application about 3 months ago I think - and the number of applications for these sorts of things are staggering!
yeah. fucken stoked. makes things alot ...
yeah. fucken stoked. makes things alot easier...though with my stupidly big plans $15k is still a drop in the ocean... aw...maybe a cup of water...or a decent sized bowl.
so why make stupidly big plans? why not ...
so why make stupidly big plans? why not just make realistically accomplishable plans?
// why not just make realistically ...
// why not just make realistically accomplishable plans?
was putting out a CD and magazine every month and touring a couple of bands around the whole country every month realistically acomplishable? I had a lot of doubters, so i guess not. If I was to do the same thing again it would be boring. I want a challenge. haha... My vision seems so ridiculous to me right now...but so did the first year of low hum when i thought of that.
just remember to wash your hands when ...
just remember to wash your hands when you're finished
haha. i do enjoy your quips and set-ups....
haha. i do enjoy your quips and set-ups.
Quite excellent. The LOW HUM thunder ...
Quite excellent. The LOW HUM thunder rolls on! Hey luke, bums you didnt win at the bnets, next year "male fox"
cheers lads....
cheers lads.
dude that's heartwarming, and i gotta ...
dude that's heartwarming, and i gotta say congrats and respect to high aims!
man, that's the most kickass news ...
man, that's the most kickass news I've heard all year. congratulation!
//I suppose with Labour dishing out ...
//I suppose with Labour dishing out money like this, they can't afford to give us "working for a living" folks a tax break...
So you're against our government helping out local business's and people trying to make a living for themselves? Sounds like you should definatley vote National.
[honestly most serious musos I know put in more hours per week than any wage slave I've ever known]
Well let's have a look at a taxpayer ...
Well let's have a look at a taxpayer funded muscians Monday
Wednesday
7am - Wake up 'cos my inconsideration flatmates are noisy as they prepare to go to work.
7.10am - Go back to sleep
10am - Wake up, make a cup of coffee (use flatmates coffee & Milk as the dole does get payed into my KIWIBANK account until Thursday (aka beer, fags and pot day)
10.30am - go back to bed
Midday - get up and watch SKYTV (paid for by my flatmates)
2pm - Go to Real Groovy and look in the bargain bins for an hour or so
4pm - Go visit the people at the New Zealand Music Commission (Free Coffee) and complain about other peoples bands and talk about the amazing recording I've done in my bedroom at 4am this morning (waking up my flatmates who have to go to work at 8am)
6pm - Go to girlfriends house and eat her and her flatmates food
7.30pm - Quick shag with girlfriend
8pm - Off to The Killing room to practise
11pm - Go to PR bar with band members, drink beer,
1am - Go home, start home recording in bedroom
3am - go to sleep
ooops "Wednesday" shit actually it ...
ooops "Wednesday" shit actually it don't matter everyday is like Sunday to a "Muscian"
// 8pm-11pm - Off to The Killing room ...
// 8pm-11pm - Off to The Killing room to practise
// 1am-3am - Go home, start home recording in bedroom
so on your laughable 'typical' muso day, he/she still does 5 hours of specifically music-related work? probably comparable (if not better), then the amount of 'real' work a white collar office worker might put in during a 9-5er?
sorry woodgy but that's pathetic...
sorry woodgy but that's pathetic
//Well let's have a look at a taxpayer ...
//Well let's have a look at a taxpayer funded muscians Monday
Wow you have no clue.
I'd say probably 90% of the musos I know have either a part-time or a full time job on top of the music that they are doing. Care to enlighen us as to which 'typical tax-payer funded musician' you got your information from?
Basically these groups are trying to get to a state where they can survive from what they do - much the same as all small business owners.
If we want to talk about money for nothing then lets talk about the masses of cash that the government sink into useless sporting events like the Americas Cup - lazy f*cking sailors sitting round mooching off our hard earned tax-dollars (please note my sarcasam).
//If we want to talk about money for ...
//If we want to talk about money for nothing then lets talk about
Ridge, Ellis and all those lame tv sport shows;
tv news readers;
broadcasters - Holmes, Wood etc... to mention one sector
// Holmes actually, Ralston does ...
// Holmes
actually, Ralston does seem to be doing pretty well at weeding out the overpaid talking heads at TVNZ: Holmes is gone, Dick Long is gone, Eric Young is gone. Judy's still on an insane salary, but once she goes (next year?), hopefully we can get back to a state of affairs where the autocue readers on the news are earning something not totally out of kilter with the salaries of the actual journalists who do all the work and get the words for them to read in the first place.
And all those DIY and reality shows! How cheap must they be to make!
//Well let's have a look at a taxpayer ...
//Well let's have a look at a taxpayer funded muscians Monday
Wow. Amazing Woodgy, that sounds just like my day - apart from the teaching, running of a business, hauling of heavy equipment and hours of setting up sound for a measly share of a gigs door take. WOW. I'm amazed by your insight, and wide view of the real world. Can I borrow YOUR rose colour glasses?
None of these amounts are enough to actually enough live on, and are all probably for well planned ligitimate projects, where they have had to specifiy where every cent os going to be spent. It gives people a chance who may not have the money, to try something that may possibly make them money so they don't have to keep applying for funding again and again. And, even if I've only experienced it recently as a student, I know that the student allowance/dole does not afford the greatest lifestyle. With the 80 bucks that was left over after auckland city rent, you could say $25-30 went to petrol and that left $7 a day for food... whoopie!!!!! My god, I am living the highlife. Wanna swap with me, Woodgy?
I think you should get it in your head that most musicians don't do this for money - they do it for passion. With passion you can live off the smell of an oil rag.
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"so on your laughable 'typical' muso ...
"so on your laughable 'typical' muso day, he/she still does 5 hours of specifically music-related work? probably comparable (if not better), then the amount of 'real' work a white collar office worker might put in during a 9-5er?"
too true. don't make me pull out the pxts of what i do all day at work.. you'd be disgusted (and yet incredibly impressed.. eh jessie?)
Haha - too right! 5 hours' work.. I ...
Haha - too right!
5 hours' work.. I did almost 6 today, I'll have you know!!
This thread is so funny.
Right, home-time. And no Friday drinks, either. I've been working.
//5 hours' work.. I did almost 6 ...
//5 hours' work.. I did almost 6 today, I'll have you know!!
Are you feeling unwell??
This is either a complete tit pull or ...
This is either a complete tit pull or just flabbergasting. If it's a tit pull, well done. If you're serious, then off you go and vote for National or Act or whoever it is that floats your redneck boat at the moment.
// I suppose with Labour dishing out ...
// I suppose with Labour dishing out money like this,
ahaaha! the numbers up there add up to what ... $150k or so?
the extravagance!
ahhh noizy you're so wise. you always ...
ahhh noizy you're so wise. you always put things in perspective for me. $20,000 seems a lot to me, but $150,000 is a pittance to the government. Thats probably one average income persons taxes for 5 years. Or something. ; )
Shane Carter was questioned not so long ago (on National Radio) about where he got most of his money from- gigs or album sales- and he said WINZ. thought it was a nice quote.
// $150,000 is a pittance to the ...
// $150,000 is a pittance to the government
indeed. As Scott points out above, there are far worse 'excesses' perpetrated by the government (America's Cup, for example) than forking out a few thousand here and there to some creative enterprises that might not have otherwise got off the ground. I'm quite happy for my tax to be used to help Dimmer out. In fact, my tax bill from last year would cover Dimmer, Lindon Puffin, and a good whack of the Sugarlicks grants. There ya go lads. My treat. I'm sure there are other nzmusic members who likewise wouldn't be unhappy about their taxes being used in this way.
// he said WINZ
aha! yes, I heard that one too. The last few interviews I've heard/seen him do have been really good actually. Very funny and entertaining (bro).
I agree it's money for nothing. But ...
I agree it's money for nothing. But by all means vote National if you want to provatise health and education, abolish the minimum wage, give a hefty tax cut to you and your pals, but a 1cent tax cut for the rest of us
And vote National if you want Winston ...
And vote National if you want Winston Peters in the Cabinet.
I caught a headline on Morning Report about a plan by the Greens to write off student debt. Apparently they want want to decrease a persons loan debt a little bit every year they work in NZ. I never thought I'd vote Green but this has me interested and I'll be interested to hear how they plan to implement it.
a student loan is only a problem if you ...
a student loan is only a problem if you don't have any skills to offer
this topic quite cracks me up. Assuming ...
this topic quite cracks me up. Assuming that at least one person posting here is a political stooge, who has been suddenly been kicked into life by the smallest of chance that their party might not get a drubbing this year, I think it's reasonable to say they've just handed a few more votes to Labour.
I really should edit that last sentence. It's not like I don't have the time (see white collar argument above).
haha that's quite perceptive....
haha that's quite perceptive.
tell you what though. Its funny to see ...
tell you what though. Its funny to see some bitching about creativenz for a change rather then the tired old NZOA debates that happen every funding round.
I think like noisy said. "money for nothing" is pretty damn harsh. I reckon most mofos on that list (myself included) have worked pretty damn fucken hard over the years and its nice to get recognised by the powers that be.
Thing is though - most of those ...
Thing is though - most of those 'groups' have a track record of "getting stuff done" (you included!), and as such mostly seem like really sensible picks. I liked the fact that the application was quite in depth (though it did make it a bit of a struggle) as it means people get to explain their projects and the selectors can actually see who has their shit together!
All in all I'm happy for my tax dollars to goto those recieptients - I think they have lot to offer to NZ music in general.
Someone once told me that you generally ...
Someone once told me that you generally always get turned down on your first two applications, funnily enough this happened to me as well. Howver, during those first two applications I went out and did shit anyway, so by the time It came to applying the third time they had seen I did what I meant to do. I guess this is how it works for alot of the people applying. They keep all the past applications you put in in a file (embarrisngly enough as I discovered... shit I'm terrible at these things)
Its true, creative nz is much better at ...
Its true, creative nz is much better at giving money to sorts who actually do stuff. They've been well burned many times over by people who they gave money to and did zip.
Their loan scheme is a good place to start if you're in a band. You can get $2000 interest free with a year to pay it back. Perfect for that first run of 500 CDs.
Noizy..or anyone? does anybody know ...
Noizy..or anyone?
does anybody know anything bout this "Paul Goddard" character or Rocksound magazine? Their is a rocksound mag in the UK, but funding that wouldn't make any sense...he got $13k to put together 1 CD for this magazine.. Am I totally out of the loop? does this magazine exist in NZ?
// does this magazine exist in ...
// does this magazine exist in NZ?
ha! obviously it will soon. ;)
but no, news to me.
13k !!?? sweet jesus... why you could ...
13k !!?? sweet jesus... why you could be sitting in spain sucking back pina coldas in no time blink!
someone cut me a sweet piece of that selecting action!
haha. yeah man, that guy must have had ...
haha. yeah man, that guy must have had one sweet application. I could learn a few things from this fullah.
Yes. Via email....
Yes. Via email.
awww come on........
awww come on.....
I'll put them together the bomb disc ...
I'll put them together the bomb disc and only charge 'em 5k!
Someone call my agent.... "you there!, call my people and have them call his people, and organise lunch"! ... "blink... get snapping that camera and organise a C.D launch tour... pronto"!
"Jess!.. look important and call someone... tell them you have something that's about to become 'so hot right now' , and that they'd be a fool to miss the boat"!
As far as I can remember, it's a cd of ...
As far as I can remember, it's a cd of NZ rock music that comes as a freebie with the magazine. I think they have free cds as a matter of course, and with some encouragement from Paul they agreed to do a NZ feature, which he has been working at putting together.
true jess... do you know who features ...
true jess...
do you know who features on this little disk ??
Not off the top of my head :)...
Not off the top of my head :)