...ok, look before you leap and all that.. just checked out the site & looks like a completely different story. My bad, as you were.

////Also, that only applies for the first 12 months that a new person is in the country, while they're on an international license, doesn't it? After that they have to sit a full test

i think that question needs to be asked too, on that "police 10 7" and "highway patrol" i have seen numerous people picked up for have a overseas license that has expired and yet they are still driving around illegally,

So who do I have to call to get a licence?

///if you were to put all racism aside, you should have just asked 'how many drivers actually passed their tests?'

NO you wouldnt you would still ask, how many asian drivers actaully passed their tests??

its not racist if you have info stateing that their are asian drivers out there who have not sat test, you are simply asking how many of them have actaully done it legally,

how many african americans are in gangs in the USA? thats not racist its common knowledge that a shit load of them are you are simply trying to find out how many approximately, wheres the racism in that ???

dan, one form of racism is tarnishing an entire group with a generalised statement that only applies to a very small minority of that group, and which thus causes that group as a whole to come under negative scrutiny.

Which is exactly what you've done here. Undoubtedly there are some Asian drivers in NZ without licenses. There are probably also a lot of pakeha, maori and polynesian people driving around without valid licenses. Why pick on the Asians?

*coff*

Nothing, you just stepped on my toes.

not really ^^^^ if there is no asian driving testers than you can exclude the possibilty of an asian driving tester signing the licenses off cant you? and consdiering no one knows who is it or what ethnicity he is, it would count atleast one race out

no heather my point was, if you LIVE in a country for like 10 years generally you will learn the language, living is alot different to visiting, of course one week you aint gona learn shit but 10 years come on...

You might also have noticed if you weren't so busy getting riled up about asians, that it is possible for the office staff to sign off the licences, not just the people conducting the tests.

// they are the ones paying for these licenses

Either that, or the civic-minded one who tipped people off to the problem was chinese, and in fact it's all the other ethnicities who didn't contact TV3 that are the real culprits...

// if you LIVE in a country for like 10 years generally you will learn the language

so, all these asians you're complaining about. they've lived in new zealand for 10 years?

yeah John campbell has been investigating it for around the same length of time too

hmmm id be more worried about a fellow new zealander stealing ur identity, and teaching at the local elementary school, wait a minute i know i saw that somewhere...... oh yeah the simpsons, my how we are blessed to have a cartoon creators who use real life situations in their programmes

a few years is 3 years, im talking 10+ years, im sure i would pick it up going through a a french speaking school if i moved there and being around them for 10 years plus

not if you were living with your english speaking family, and never spoke french unless you had too. Anyway most have picked it up, just not very well. Languages are hard.

I'm sure dantheman realises that in order to immigrate/study in new zealand these asians must sit and pass the IELTS exam, which requires better english than dan owns. So it's highly likely, like you said limegreen, that reason these asians aren't speaking the english to him is because he's a bigot.

//my motorbike licence

damm heather. now you're even cooler than i thought.

Heh. I've been putting off going for my motorbike restricted for the last few weeks. It's a bit of a fair weather enterprise for me, and I suspect the closer it gets to winter, the more likely I am to put it off for longer.

You simultaneously feel very alive and in touch with your surroundings on a motorbike, but at the same time, are aware of your fragility far more (or what your surroundings could do to you if you become *too* aware of them). Odd thing is, I'm happy to go faster downhill on my mountain bike than I am on the motorized job. I never fell off when I was learning to ride a pushbike either...

////like you said limegreen, that reason these asians aren't speaking the english to him is because he's a bigot.

yes of course i am,especailly when i was working for customs, i made sure all the asian people were sent back to where they came from, its amazing the types of power customs officiers have

fuck off mate you dont know shit about me, im not a bigot its just Im not allowed to say anyhting on this board without millions of little PC fuck wits picking apart everything i say, even though we all clearly fucken saw on JC live last night all the asians drivers licenses etc,

please some one asnwer me Is John campbell a racist bigot now too ??? because he didnt show any other enthnicities on his show ?? if i am he must be too

// hey i was in the 1st 15, and i didnt walk around like i owned anything

Dan. Remember this? It's not about being PC, but about the fact that unsubstantiated generalisations diss everybody else in those categories. So in the same way that plenty of first fifteen members, perhaps the majority, don't walk round the school like they own it, doesn't mean they all do. In the same way, of the few hundred thousand "asians" that are here, the vast majority of them are probably good drivers. However, like first fifteen members, they are visually distinctive (well at least at some schools 1st XV get special ties and blazers and jerseys), making it easy to make the generalisation.

Now you've argued a couple of times that asians are bad drivers, regardless of where they may (or may not) have got their licences, and that this isn't racist, because it's based on fact.

So, while I have a shitload of other work I should be doing tonight, I thought I'd have search for some facts, and peruse some statistics. Well, you'd think if asians were bad drivers, they'd be over-represented in crash statistics, and mentioned frequently on LTSA. It seems that there may be some evidence for "asians" as a group to get injured in the Mackenzie country, but also female under 24 tourists are at risk there. The stats are not very sophisticated (don't control for other risk factors such as age), but there is no good evidence I can see that there is any basis for your claim. So it's not fact, so it's at best an stereotype not based on fact, and at worst, racism.

I think everyone should reach into their wallets right now and check the expiry date on their license, cos chances are if you got it in 1999, it's expired.

Ummm, not that mine has or anything. Because I'm white. Of course.

//cos chances are if you got it in 1999, it's expired.

I think your licence expires on the anniversary of your acquiring your licence in the year of your x5th birthday.... so the fact that your may recently have expires means that you're 25ish or 35ish or 45ish...

//25ish or 35ish or 45ish...

Or 55ish, like my mother, which is the only reason I thought to check mine, because the LTSA still know where SHE lives. Stupid LTSA, they're the reason I have bad credit (yes them, as opposed to me not paying my registration)....