Resonate

So, I couldn't make it back to the showcase gig at Sandwiches last night (after the very interesting panel discussion at the Film Archive Mediaplex, which might also be worth a bit of a discussion).

How was the show?

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Phoenix Foundation was great, of course, but such short shows are really frustrating cos it's just cockteasing.

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There wasn't an open bar, but you did miss out on free food, Natalie.

gah! really? and there I was, finishing off my last pack of 2 minute noodles at home.

I seem to be losing my nose for the freebie.

yeah I love that term "The Scene That Celebrates Itself", it's so apt

I like that Guy Ritchie used to work in A&R, and that Keane got their own shade of green, and that they admitted deliberately booking bands into venues that they knew would be too small in order to generate that "sold out venue!!!!" buzz.

Libra - the thing that struck me about it is that I can't imagine it being any other way.

haha, yeah for many of these bands there simply is no other way , they becme these self-utilising self-sufficient scenes, frm the bottom of the scale to the top

it was totally wrong.

a shambles. no offence to loop, but all the people coming were indie rock people. They had no interest in what was being played, Phoenix were the only thing that kinda registered. it should have been The Accelerants, The Users, Connan & The Mockasins, Charlie Ash, Cortina, Disasteradio..some other exciting live acts that are relevant to what the visitors were into.

When they go watch Die! Die! Die!, The Fanatics, The Coolies and The Checks ( a relevant lineup) at the KA, they are going to think Wellington has the dullest indie live scene in the universe.

Agreed :(

I think you should have been involved in the organisation, Blink.

who were the other performers?

phnx fndtn, mon ami, rhian sheehan + module

I agree, Blink on commitee or it will be shitty, and anyway a low hum does usually resonate. With complete respect to the fine and funky dub and lol bands that have put welly on the map in recent years, you'd sometimes think from media coverage etc that guitars and smoking had been banned indoors in Jacksonville and that nodding and noodling was the only thing the town does. Blinks alternate line up is right on, I would add the wonderful autozamm to his hit list, plus the young and the restless 1QA. Both of whom will be proving that point by letting all the air out of Valve on March 11

Howdy Ian, thanks for the DVD i am been lapping it up.
I think 'shambles' is a fairly strong word...the nzmusic commision has got various people to put on various shows. Not every guest was from NME and not every show should have been about cool new rock bands. I am also totally in the camp of thinking that Cortina or Disasteradio should have been there, but well Loop got asked to put it on so I feel lucky that we got asked to do it.
The people who came enjoyed themselves and will get a good load of trendy stuff in AK.

So err i guess what I mean is that I agree it wasn't a definitive Wellington line up but atleast someone put the effort it in to show case some music. Mikke from Loop (along with Kezia, Rosie and all) puts a shitload of effort in to promoting NZ Music...they played lots of good videos at the showcase and it was in no way at all a complete shambles

haha..shambles was a wrong word, it was certainly not poorly organised. Perhaps, "irrelevant" was the word I should of used. The four people visiting from the UK were ALL indie rock fans, they had all said in the seminar that "Dance Music was Dead". They were all looking for the next Bloc Party, Interpol, Libertines, Franz Ferdinand etc... The Guitar was back and they wanted sexy guitar heros with good shoes (and disasteradio) haha.

Totally, big ups to Mikee for organising something, but perhaps the gig shouldn't have been to push a labels interests (by having you guys play, this was the only thing that worked...and wasn't in their interests) The gig should have been organised independently so chooing the best bands from around welly, not trying to present a one label showcase.

At then end of the day, Mikee was the only one who put his hand up, so he can do whatever the fuck he likes. No disrespect to loop whatsoever, I'm sure they're the first to appreciate that guitar based indie rock is not their strong point.

//No disrespect to loop whatsoever, I'm sure they're the first to appreciate that guitar based indie rock is not their strong point.

I'm pretty certain I heard that theres going to be a new Indie off-shoot label from loop dealing with more guitar based music soonish... Could be quite neat...

[not disagreeing with you though - loop are not known for their indie rock classics :=-]

//I'm pretty certain I heard that theres going to be a new Indie off-shoot label from loop dealing with more guitar based music soonish... Could be quite neat...

Don't be so sure, dude.

// At then end of the day, Mikee was the only one who put his hand up,

Is that how it happened? Was the opportunity floated or did the MIC just make the one call?

//Don't be so sure, dude.

I wasn't sure, I can only operate on what I've heard (which I have now been advised is out of date - thats what I get spending all my time at work instead of hob-nobbing!)

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It was floated. I got asked, along with others. Mikee was the first to stick his hand up. I was going to be in sydney the week before until 1am the morning before the seminar so I was trying to work out how to do it without going bankrupt through intl toll calls and staying at a friends place with no internet connection... by the time I thought of a plan, Mikee was on board...and I'm glad, because it was well run, a good venue and produced well. Just would have been nice to perhaps get capital recordings, monsterr and some other welly labels to make it a shared showcase.

Off shoot label is definatley being rumoured; Loop arn't sayin nothin...i am making a solo album for Mikee but it will come out on Loop. It will have guitars.

As for Capital being involved, well two of their main acts are performed at the Auckland showcase. I'm glad Low Hum was approached. As for trying to find new Interpol etc.... that way of thinking is so defunct. The Wellington bands that I love (Cortina, Disasteradio, the Chandeliers) don't fit into these hype genres. They would have gone down well because they are unique...hype counts for nothing (except really good publishing advances i guess eh two lane?)

// As for trying to find new Interpol etc.... that way of thinking is so defunct.

its not me whos thinking that. They are not looking for a new interpol anyway :) that has happened..they are looking for a new Bloc Party. haha, you are so a few years ago bro.

As well as giving them what they need, we should also have given them what they want. NME isn't known for breaking any trends, but don't you think it makes sense to give them a band that would fit in their format.

there were no record labels looking to break a new phenomenon, there was a very important UK music magazine and some publisicts looking for bands that would fit snugley into an existing framework.

They will love the checks, they will love die die die.

aw man...the chandeliers! how could I forget! and i am taking them on my april tour as well, shit they rule.

is skallander still coming out on loop? thats a cool record. kudos.

//They were all looking for the next Bloc Party, Interpol, Libertines, Franz Ferdinand etc.

you wrote it bro. I'm not two years ago am I? gosh. Bloc party are average...people should be hyping the Life Aquatic soundtrack..much better.

The thing is Ian, it is purely in my nature to think it doesn't matter if they love the Checks coz they can understand the look and sound as being 'so right now'(although if your looking at it in those terms mod dressing rockers in a late 70's NY style has to go out of fashion fairly soon)...i always want people to see the most interesting music. Give people the same credit you give yourself. And anyway the Mint Chicks will so be the NZ band that NME love. they already are. They have the best songs of the new NZ punkush bands and that will ultimatley win out regardless of whatever industry but kissing feista anyone shows up to...and i include myself as a but kisser delux.

ouch. using my real name. I know its got to be serious then.. :)

I think we're just having one of those silly forum debates where we both have the same opinion but have been divided off into wierd sides. I don't even know what we're arguing about.

// Give people the same credit you give yourself

na. the visitors from the UK, at the end of the day are trying to turn a profit. I am not.

nah dude. its over between us.

basically I have a new coimputer..so i need to argue about something to get me back in the of things....but I'm still riled up by the idea that these people are here for a quik dollor on the kiwi bandwagon. the ones i meet were all just music fans whdespite what they might say at panel discussions were probably more interested in a free holiday to a trendy country were they can maybe see some music that matters maybe not. umm i might stop ranting now as i dont actually care.

sorry if using your real name is bad.
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I LOVE YOU BLINK PLEASE FORGIVE ME

haha. we are fighting the same fight man.

Heh, saw this in the paper on the day when I was stuck at work and thought it was going to be one of those useless things like that wellington music week thingy. sigh.

Sorry Blinky but I diss the agreement on you! I don't really think that the Auckland line up is all that 'relevant' either... (I's is probably getting into troubble here). The mistake of NZ music geezerz is that the Land of Milk n Honey (that great big mysterious OVERSEAS) want to hear the kind of shit that they are used to, ie: the bands in the Auckland thing all sound like 70's New York bands! Which is of course what the trend of the last couple of years has been. But why would people from NYC bother with a NZ band that sounds like a NY band when they have plenty of their own, kapiche? Same with anywhere they've got enough 'trend'y bands right there where they are! (I do of course hope that I get lashed when all those bands, who do genuinely rock, get big contracts and, y'know, 'make it').

What we should be doing is looking at ICELAND, Sigur Ros, Mum, Bjork. The reason anybody gives a fuck is cause they have an original sound and vision, steadfastedly ICELANDIC, that is why it is interesting. We shouldn't be hoping for mega-fucking-success either, but for a nice wee Calexico / Lambchop sized existence...

So I guess what I mean is we should be putting forth things that DON't sound trendy. Like even The Brunettes, stylized and ultra-hip as they may be, still they are ripping off an altogether different era than the big bands around the world. SJD, David Kilgour (though he already has international distribution and seems content with it, touring, as he does with Lambchop and Yo La Tengo), Dimmer... as for Wellington Resonate, what a LOOP-a-thon... Mon Amie have been together for about 3 months so that in itsself is a bit of a weird one, and beautiful as was "Singing in my Soul" on acoustic is not going to make the sort of impact that that sort of scenario needs. For me there should've been a DISASTERADIO, and a CORTINA there fo sho! Would they fucking forget that CAMEL TOE?

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were you in the seminar? They weren't looking for the next musical revolution, they were looking for extensions of what is currently trendy, a slight modification of a new sound...ie, Franz ferdinand popping up Interpol, Bloc Party pixieing up Franz Ferdinand. They were looking for the next installment on sexy boy, guitar, nice shoe indie rock. die die die fits nicely on this, big blacking up Bloc party.

I wish we had a sigur ros, a mum, an explosions in the sky, but we don't. We do have die die die...and sorry to be piping on, but I've just got back from Sydney, and everybody is talking bout die die die!

They are making a huge impact over there. Everybody i spoke to there knew of them.

I reckon you guys were a good choice...as I first said. However, the other choices were more about pushing Loop's agenda then presenting the best we have.

The next revolution will be disateradio. nothing to do with iceland buddy. haha.

//looking at ICELAND, Sigur Ros, Mum, Bjork.
Agreed.

America has caught on - The Album Leaf (Sub Pop) went to Iceland and produced the BEST album of last year with Sigur Ros helping him out.

These acts you've mentioned, along with Godspeed You Black Emperor, Mono, etc are looking at music in a whole new light, with a whole new set of musical goals.

Quoting Sigur Ros:
We are music for the 21st century.

If any of these bands come to NZ, I want to support them :)

// But why would people from NYC bother with a NZ band that
// sounds like a NY band when they have plenty of their own, kapiche?

I think the London-based music people that they've bought over made it pretty clear that (up until the last couple of years, at least) that there old skool rock'n'roll bands are still pretty thin on the ground, hence the success of the Datsuns, the Vines, Hives and other non-UK acts that have made an impact over that way recently.

exactamondo.

though i cross my fingers everyday that Sigur Ros become the biggest band in the World.

niceguy...

have you listened to much else on the temporary residence label? (mono and explosions in the sky's label)

pretty much one of my fav labels ever. Check out: Fridge, Holland Borthwick, Howard hello, Kammerflimmer Kollektief, Killowattthours, Lumen, Evergreen Eluvium and Nice Nice.

you'll dig it.

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haha..If they want some more "bedwetters", man i love that phrase, we could give them Evermore.

God, they got popular in australia. Two!! songs on the Triple J Hottest 100. #14 and #57. god, that is huge. The only other NZ artist in the top 100 was Scribe with Not many at #35.

such cutting italics Noizy.

I agree with Rudy. show people what makes you unique. If they can't get that then they can go find the new Razorlight in Kingsland and we can toast the glory of our Rock Ferns

The Fridge album on Temporary Residence is phenomenally phenomenal.

That's all.

i reckon temp residence is the business. Wouldn't be suprised if someone from that label went uber huge.

//have you listened to much else on the temporary residence label?
Dude, no I hadn't.

Thanks for the link.

The first Auckland showcase was last night - it went really well - apart from a few sound problems...
I thought the sound for The coolies and the fanatics was really bad - apparently the PA blew out or something. Both bands did a wicked set too.
The Checks were great - Connor (NME) was very impressed and had lengthy conversations with their manager. The night finished off with die!die!die! - they were awesome - the sound again was dodgey.

Tonight there is another showcase - paseload, baitercell and Schumacher, Misfits of Science etc etc and tomorrow night (Saturday) there is a Mai FM Dawn Raid showcase - not sure how well this will go down with the Resonate guests as they are all very honest about being 'indie kids'. This is weird too - because Mai FM invested lots of cash into the Resonate project to fly these guests over, you would think that they woudl get someone over from the UK that appreciated hip hop - since thats their main type of music they are promoting...

//The Checks were great - Connor (NME) was very impressed and had lengthy conversations with their manager
yeah...impressed enough to meet up with the checks and their manager again last weekend, or so ive heard

I went to the "Future of the Music Press" discussion yesterday. It was good. More details to come later. I'm also planning to see the three final discussion panels today. Hopefully that giant "family values" protest march won't get in the way.

i don't think we were asked to be involved with it, but as sam said, we had two bands playing in the AK show... i'm a bit miffed about this sound issue though, lucky the fanatics & die!die!die! look so fucking good on stage anyway.
brent went along to the welli one though, said it was alright. these things are often a curate's egg really, but respects to mikey & team for putting it on... dunno about an 'off-shoot indie label' though, sounds like an expensive pigeon-hole to put more pigeon poohs in ;-)
conor NME has said some fucking stupid shit about dance music in the last 12 months, and i have it on good authority that it's just him being a sad old fart. his remarks about dance music (and electronic music in general) being soul-less and 'lacking in iconic figures who've killed themsleves' were particularly tragic.