Concerning The Finns and Anzac Day...

A statement from the Finn Brothers management:

ANZAC Remembrance Service
17/02/05

"The Finn Brothers have never been approached to take part in the "official Gallipoli remembrance services and have no knowledge of any concert that may have been organised as part of the ceremony.  The commemoration of the Gallipoli landings is a time for solemn remembrance and reflection on past sacrifice and respect for those lost. Neil and Tim, who are currently on tour in the United States, were surprised and saddened to learn today that without their knowledge their names have been linked in a very negative way to such an event."

So what's all that about? Some of you guys been telling porkies again?

Forums: NZ Music,

Gallipoli rock concert 'totally inappropriate', says Clark

17.02.05 11.30am

Prime Minister Helen Clark said today Gallipoli was not the place for a rock concert.

She made the comments after a row over apparent plans for Australian singer John Farnham to play at a 90th anniversary Anzac service at the site in Turkey.

Australian newspaper the Herald Sun reported Farnham's management team spent five months making arrangements for him to perform at Anzac Cove, but Helen Clark vetoed his appearance because she believed it was inappropriate.

She was also reported to have rejected Kiwi music legends Neil and Tim Finn for the same reason.

The Prime Minister told Newstalk ZB today: "I think it is totally inappropriate to have loud entertainment on a place which was a killing field.

"I have a great uncle who died at Gallipoli and so do countless tens, hundreds of thousands of people in Australia and New Zealand."

A spokeswoman for Helen Clark said the programme for the Anzac service was yet to be finalised. "It will be one of the subjects she discusses with (Australian Prime Minister) John Howard this weekend," she said.

Farnham's manager Glenn Wheatley said the 55-year-old star had been looking forward to the performance.

"John was extremely disappointed," he told the newspaper.

Australian Office of War Graves director Gary Beck said the change in the programme was because singing wasn't considered appropriate, rather than Farnham. "I'd love to see him there one year, he's a great Australian," he said.

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Interesting - on Ninetonoon this morning, it wasn't rock music that was totally inappropriate: instead she was reported as saying that singing was inappropriate. Her idea of appropriate music was then reported as a string quartet. I fell out of bed at that one.

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arse!

mwhahaha.

In WW2 allies and axis were often facing off against each other close enough that they could both hear the same radios at night. I always love hearing stories of songs like Lili Marlene coming from both radios or voices from both camps heard singing along.
Music is, regardless of particular choices of taste universal in that it often reflects our common desires.
Music is the soundtrack of our lives and if anything it is remarkable how so much music created during the wars spoke of hope, love and friendship.
And if you believe stories of americans and germans singing in harmony it was the only sign of unity in a time when millions were being wiped out (Well there is also a story of a soccer game we all know but that was Christmas)
What better way to honour ANZAC day.

That said a concert at Auchwitz would be in bad taste.

I went to the commemorations in 2000 along with 12000-odd others. I'll never forget the sound of the wind racing around the cliffs behind us, the waves lapping up at the beach in front, and the haunting strains of the Last Post played by a lone bugler while those 12000 people stood silently in remembrance of those who fought.

Personally, I think anything else would be in poor taste.

// Music is the soundtrack of our lives

Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr John Farnham!!!!!

Well yeah Farnham doesn't make my soundtrack either. Still I see no problem with having music there. If it is acceptable to wheel out local body politicians to make insincere speeches, kids showing up with toy guns and very drunken soldiers post commemorations bitching bout how that is three hours of their life they will never get back (Am making referrence to Swanson RSA only- I watch the show from my deck every year) then surely Mr Farnham is acceptable, with a suitable choice of material.

There is music - just not performed by aussie pub rockers.

(Am making referrence to Swanson RSA only- I watch the show from my deck every year)
Swanson RSA is not Anzac Cove

I take your point Aka. That said I do think once you get away from the main cenotaphs and the battlefields you get a sense people are there cause it is something to do, not to honour those who made the ultimate sacrifice.
Makes me wonder if the whole ANZAC thing has lost its significance. If inviting John Farnham along to sing 'the band played waltzing matilda' maybe it might add, not take away from the event.
Another perspective would anyone be bitching if Dame Kiri had been invited to sing?

As a day to commemorate the soldiers I don't terribly want to see it turn into something undignified. I'm just not sure having something other than a bugle to listen to does that.

teina, you are quick mate!

nah see I just let the news come to me.... eh voila!

The story as per this evening 3 news was that the Oz papers were saying Helen had booted Jonny cos she wanted the Finns.
Interstingly enough was that she also admitted never ever having heard Jonny sing or play, but even the Diggers don't want him there, with a poll, showing that 65% don't think it is a good idea

so much of this is just typical aussie media beat-up...

at least Clark showed some taste. Can you blame her for not wanting Farnsy playing?

she's never heard mr farnham sing or play?
what a lier.

if she's never heard him play, why is she taking responsibility for this decision?
how is this issue important enough for an 'uncultured', 'never served in the military' primeminister to be wasting time over?

isn't there some minister with a little more relevant experience who could be making this kind of choice?
or does the primeminister make all the decisions now?

// if she's never heard him play, why is she taking responsibility for this decision?

She didn't veto the concert because John Farnham would have played at it. She vetoed it because she didn't think *any* rock/pop musician playing would have been right to mark such a solemn event.

It's not really about John Farnham.

i hear ya, it's about the primeminister vetoing music

it's about the primeminister vetoing music

it's about the primeministerS vetoing music

so true, damn that "s"

but i still only have one primeminister,
that is 'the primeminister'
you know the one:
helen 'string quartet' clark

can i just say that i'll vote for auntie helen again purely for the fact she HASN'T HEARD OF JOHN FARNAM

.............awesome

from Stuff today...

"But National Party leader Don Brash said Miss Clark was refusing to move with the times. Farnham would have respected the solemnity of Gallipoli, and such acts were needed to keep the commemorations relevant to younger generations."

I know that they're the "opposition" but must they oppose everything to the point of utter stupidity?

1. it is totally inappropriate.
2. As if John Farnham is the guy to appeal to "younger generations".

yeah, like a sickly Farnham rendition of 'Pressure Down' or "Voice' ringin out across the hills of Gallipoli would really be solemn.

I'm sure the younger generation will discover Farnsy in time.

Um, please please please don't take this as defending Farnham (or Brash), but there's a lot more to him than a couple of 80s hits. He's also painfully conservative, from everything I've seen, so would have more respect than.

... than that. I meant.

//there's a lot more to him than a couple of 80s hits.

Just out of interest....what would that be?

Well, he's been scoring hits in Oz for about 40 or so years (pretty sure his first big numbers were as a teenager), done heaps of work on TV, musicals, etc. and amongst all of that stuff there's lots of evidence that he can sing in restrained and "serious" tones.

Again, I certainly wouldn't want to hear him sing (at an Anzac service or anywhere!) but it's not like they're talking about the Dynamic Hepnotics or Mental as Anything.

and Jet, dont forget his cutting edge work with the Little River Band

this year it is new zealands year to 'host' the commemorations so John Howard had no right to ask farnham in the first place. Brash should shut his stupid trap as he has nothing to do with it ...maybe if he becomes P.M. then he can pipe up but he really is a plonker....if clark was saying she wanted Farnham you can pretty much bet that brash would be saying that it is inapproppriate...but clark was on the radio just before saying she hasn't vetoed "Farnham" she has vetoed the idea of a concert taking place in a cemetary and fair enough. She can do wahtever the fuck she likes and if howard so desperately wants whispering jack to play he can play next year....when it is aussies turn.

it doesn't help that the news was refering to him as the "aging rocker"

//Um, please please please don't take this as defending Farnham (or Brash), but there's a lot more to him than a couple of 80s hits.

i'm sorry but i reckon that's a little weak, (no problem with Brash stance),
what is wrong with farnham ?
he deserves everyone's defence
an artist getting roped into some bullshit political standoff
from a supposedly pro music/arts government he deserves better
as do all artists
i don't care if he's a new zealander or australian
we're the fucking ANZACS fucks sake
OUR politicians are fucking fire hydrants

when i was a kid, his songs were the business!
what were you folks listening to when you were eight?
best damn aerobics music ever

What freetrade deals have we signed at ASean whilst crying over Farnsey?
Maybe he's getting a break on "Whispering Jack" reissue in the lucrative Thai market.
I hit Ruth "one for the road" Dyson up about this national disgrace a couppla weeks back, no shame, or even reflection of what these deals mean to the Worker/Slave.
But hey its good for Tait Electronics apparntly...

//NO ROPE. He's posting a remarkable rendition of his latest Bum Trumpet routine.
Bums rush more likely, Cultural Imperialists.

what does that mean?

//best damn aerobics music ever //

ANZAC day is not a celebration of aerobics

// ANZAC day is not a celebration of aerobics

Well we jumped rope at the Commonwealth Games, maybe it's time for a mainstream re-embracing of the lycra leotard...

//ANZAC day is not a celebration of aerobics

a sharp observation there, get this man a bicycle.
point being i don't care if they were arguing about rolf wanking harris,
this is to remember australians and new zealanders banding , fighting and being slaughtered side by side as brothers.
the fact that these great leaders of our respective nations don't even have the wherewithall to handle this kerfuffle with the least bit of sensitivity or tact,
shows
without a shadow of a doubt
that they suck

It seems to me that all too mahy of you have been sucked in. By all accounts this is yet another aussie media beat up. And a chance to have a go at the kiwis to boot. I think it reflects more on the aussie media preoccupation with putting down little brother than it does the policticians involved.

For the record:

1. I don't think that the ANZAC day celebrations at Gallipoli are an appropriate place for "popular" music. I think that the PM was right to make the call she did.

2. John Farnham has made some good music over the years.

3. Last Post and Reveille should be played on a bugle not a bloody cornet or trumpet.

big stu
// I think that the PM was right to make the call she did.

rope
// i hear ya, it's about the primeminister vetoing music

Helen Clark and John Howard both agreed at APEC that any sort of concert event at gallipoli would be inappropriate. The beat-up has indeed come from the Aussie media, spurred on by Farnhams management, who have chosen to pick on our PM as the naysayer, merely because it's NZ's turn to organise the event, and that the NZ government thus have veto on whatever happens. If the Aussie government had been in charge this year, it would have been a non-story.

//Last Post and Reveille should be played on a bugle not a bloody cornet or trumpet.

Definitely, but a cornet is still a better substitute than a trumpet, as a cornet at least has conical tubing and a somewhat more similar timbre.

firstly, limegreen it's a distinct pleasure to read your assessment of the technical merits of musical instruments, a fine post.

Big stu, i agree it has been a media beat up, but i don't see it as isolated within national bounderies, or necessarily that the politicians are doing their best to handle the issue with the reserve it deserves

as myshkin reported further up:
"it wasn't rock music that was totally inappropriate: instead she was reported as saying that singing was inappropriate. Her idea of appropriate music was then reported as a string quartet."

how is that more appropriate than john farnham?
how can the australian media be fingered as responsible for this kind of tardness of mind
how many string quartets have you seen play outdoors with good sound delivery?
what kind of material did she have in mind?

//this is to remember australians and new zealanders banding , fighting and being slaughtered side by side as brothers.
the fact that these great leaders of our respective nations don't even have the wherewithall to handle this kerfuffle with the least bit of sensitivity or tact,//

ohhh come on, i do believe that clark has handled this well, straight away it was obvious, the people saw john farnham as tacky, the same way it's be if shihad or ray colombus played. How have the government not handled this well? i don't think there has been much fuss at all, barring farnham's management moaning about missing a gig.

//how is that more appropriate than john farnham?
how can the australian media be fingered as responsible for this kind of tardness of mind
how many string quartets have you seen play outdoors with good sound delivery?
what kind of material did she have in mind?//

this whole musical debate is silly anyway, hypothetical. As if helen clark really did want music at ANZAC cove, she would have had ti done, but she is having NO music just the lone bugler. and once again THE BUGLER is the most appropriate figure.

I think "Sadie the Cleaning Lady" is as fine a tribute to the Wartime Domestic Workers as any of us are likely to hear.
"Touch of Paradise" may struggle, but "Pressure Down" arranged as duet with Ilhan Sas, should light up the occassion, and placate the hosts.
His deal with Coca Cola may have expired but John sure does bring a lot of Fizz to his performance, and Im sure the youth of today would whole heartedly endorse this icon of Australisian Pop music.
Still, Glenn Shurrock may have been a better choice, particulary as NZ who made such a sucess of himself in Australia.
Im not so up with the play on James Reyne, he, of course, was always to hard core for my taste, and with Mitsubishi using his track from "Design For life" album, theirs always the chance of leftwing Dole Bludging rabble rousers crying Foul over commerical interests getting in on our celebrations.
So its a quandry, Im just glad the mother of The Nation has stepped in and shown a firm hand on this, the single most important issue of her 5 1/2 year reign. Its great that such issues get so much attention, as it shows just how much respect we have for the elderly, freezing to death in their $10/week mobil rest Homes.

so your saying THE BUGLER is NOt music?

NO ROPE. He's posting a remarkable rendition of his latest Bum Trumpet routine.
Bums rush more likely, Cultural Imperialists.
Limegreen, Your thoughts please.

It will never happen but imagine if the Aussies decided AC/DC would play Gallipoli next year.....
Seriously though - Anzac Cove is really a place that is better off with a bit of silence to reflect on what actually went on there and the magnitude of what the soldiers had to face. I mean they really had no hope whatsoever of getting up those cliffs but gave it there best even though they probably knew they were going to get nailed.

What's next - setting up a gigantic L.E.D screen on graves that the kids can txt messages of support to?

I think a trans-tasman concert, in the style of a budget Live Aid would be appropriate, if not perhaps a little tacky, but leave the actual site to more sedate things.

No one has meantioned that it was NEW ZEALANDS TURN TO ORGANISE IT. The Aussies invited John Farnham, without tell us. It was up to NZ to organise the entertainment, if it had been Australias turn to organise it, this wouldn't have happened, it would have just gone ahead.

For fucks sake... John Farnham and the Finns are icons to their respective countries. Shit Helen must have been under a rock not to have heard of John Farnham!!! Fuck, and this is the same woman who helped open KiwiFM - Talk about double standards!!! Let them play!!!