What's the most economical/efficient/successful way to produce some quality homemade recording?
My bands looking into investing in recording gear just wanted to hear some valued opinions before spending the big bucks...or if possible bucks that aren't so big.
Go nuts you eager sparkys!


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Well, if you're after ...
Well, if you're after economical/efficient I'd try this:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Electronics/Portable-audio/Cassette/auction-220...
but if you're looking for quality:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Electronics/Portable-audio/Cassette/auction-219...
or if I was being serious, I'd say something along the lines of 8track digital & a good mic = $1000-1500
A computer with a big memory, lots of ...
A computer with a big memory, lots of processing power, some inputs and some good mics - you can even just rent the mics
yeah, if you're computer savvy then ...
yeah, if you're computer savvy then thats the way to go. .. if you're recording drums and such you might want to pick up a cheapish 8 or 16 channel mixer as well, the run the output into a program like cool edit, basically works as any multitrack hardware would, but has unlimited tracks, and you can do all your mixing and mastering and such on the computer....
Cool Edit does has its drawbacks though ...
Cool Edit does has its drawbacks though - but wav form editing software is everywhere and you should try and find one to suit yourself. Pro Tools was quite popular, but I have friends who have a blast with Reason or even Buzz
Using a computer sounds tasteful...what ...
Using a computer sounds tasteful...what specs would i be looking at? i just got a fulltime job after leaving school so i'm looking to spend some dollars :D
i've been building up gear, i brought ...
i've been building up gear, i brought i computer recently.
2.8Ghz Intel
1 Gig Memory
200 Gigs hard disk
17" LCD screen
8 USB 2 inputs
i feel most comfortable with pro tools, but from experience everyone has a different prefrence, do you have any friends who can get you burns of software? thats the best way to find what you like/feel comfortable with.
mic wise, again trying lots of mic's is the the key, shure 58's and 57's are worth getting a few, trademe is worth a gander, there are some good deals there.
pretty much what you need (are you just recording the band?), is an 8 channel mixer and a computer (or just the computer), 8 mics or so and you should be good
a good thing to do is actually figure out what it would cost. is it going to cost you a fair bit?
do you want to just demo?
would 3 well placed mics or a dictaphone be enough?
how much do local studio's cost?
in the end is it cheaper to demo till you have everything shit hot then get it recorded good at a studio?
there are reasons you go to engineers, it's their job, thats what they do. it's the same with plumbers, you can do some of the job yourself, but sometimes it's too big, or you're not confident enough to do the job.
just remember though there are bad engineers and good ones, reputation is quite important. ask around, if the engineer is any good, then people will have opinions and experience
sound on sound is a good mag, get it from your local library... i know wellington have them going back to 1998
http://www.soundonsound.com/
tapeop has lots of good recording topics
http://messageboard.tapeop.com/
and here are some good NZM links
http://www.nzmusic.com/topic.cfm?i=7022&start=1&1=1&#post120860
http://www.nzmusic.com/topic.cfm?i=8900&start=1&1=1&#post156528
http://www.nzmusic.com/topic.cfm?i=8681&start=1&1=1&#post154299
http://www.nzmusic.com/topic.cfm?i=8076&start=1&1=1&#post143962
I've been searching on trade me for ...
I've been searching on trade me for 4-tracks/8-tracks, there's quite a variety out there. Any brands reccomended, fostex? tascam? zoom? Also what is the quality difference between analog (tape)/digital recorders? there is a remarkable price difference. AND can tracks recorded on hardware then be transfered onto a computer and mixed/mastered on there? if so, does the computer still have to have hardout specs? thanks.
open reel decks are in a bit of a jam ...
open reel decks are in a bit of a jam with Quantegy (the last remaining mass tape manufacturer) closing down. Though I hear they're slowly resuming production now, and (rumour) ATR services in the states are trialing their own formulas as we speak. With tape (as opposed to DAW) you're dealing with a way different recording dynamic in terms of punch-ins and edits and you've got the ongoing costs of tape itself.
4-tracks are really hit & miss. tascam 424's are pretty damn good, you get XLR mic pre's. stay away from fostex stuff. If you're looking at a terribly four-track like the porta-one or something, you're better off getting a nice 2in/out card like an m-audio audiophile or something and then saving for a good mic pre or a desk.
if you're moving from "hardware" the computer has to be well spec'ed in terms of its digital converters if you want to (example) retain all that character from your open reel tape machine. Depends on how you want to mix too. ie, you could run the main 2-out bus of a 4-track into a 2-track input on a soundcard, or you could mix each track out through a mixing desk out of its main 2-track bus into a 2-track input, or you could record each track into a 4-input soundcard and mix in the computer.
it's such a toughie figuring out what's best, but if you can get an idea of:
1. total budget
2. total number of tracks
3. any gear you have at the moment (that could be used in recording / mix)
4. what sort of sound you're after (ie, lots of manipulation? straight-up? lo-fiey? stadium rock?)
then we could figure out what'd be best a little better.
my recomendation for a good digital setup would be something like the Emu 1820M with a mixing desk with direct outs per channel (behringer and mackie might be a start). that'd give you up to eight mic preamped channels at once (enough to do a drum kit) and you have the option of getting an ADAT converter for an extra 8 ins & outs. the only caveat is in order to buy this stuff you have to deal with the rockshop.
ok thanks...that was helpful but ...
ok thanks...that was helpful but slightly jargon - ish.
i'm basically starting from scratch with recording gear. i mean there is stuff i can borrow but i would like to get stuff of my own.
i have guitars, amp and a couple of average computers in the way of "gear."
i am quite keen to look out for cheap gear on trademe...what i'm really looking to find out is whether it would be best to buy a 4/8 track of some sort and scoring some free software off mates to edit recording or to buy a top of the line soundcard and mixer and record straight onto computer?
the recording sound i'm after will vary...i will be using gear to do hard rock band recordings to vocal/acoustic guitar solo recordings so i will need something that will accomodate to varying extremes.
thanks very much for taking the time to give your advice...you sound like you know what you're talking about but some of it went over my head.
also...how much would i be looking at ...
also...how much would i be looking at paying for a decent 4 track?
and...wot are the specs neccessary to do recording on a home computer?
any soundcard reccomended?
//decent 4 track? // about $1000 on ...
//decent 4 track? //
about $1000 on trademe, there are deals but that seems to be common
i've seen some $300 ones, but haven't followed them too closely
but in the end digital is a lot more easier, for the price, digital will get you more bang for your buck. simple as that, disasteradio knows some good cards.
i hear mackie onyx desks are good for their price
but that comes down in the end to price and available cash
those mackie onyxes looked good until I ...
those mackie onyxes looked good until I saw the price of the firewire expansion card, sheesh.
disciple, you might also have some luck checking out the TapeOp messageboards too (and hell, their "Guide To Creative Music Recording" is just about the best book I ever read (from Feral press iirc))
[ http://messageboard.tapeop.com ]
Thanks very much Disasterradio and ...
Thanks very much Disasterradio and Jon.Jr.
So $300 four tracks are not reccomended?
I'm not too fussed about doing full quality recording...mainly demo stuff and for the experience of learning and mucking around with recording.
Get a Delta 66 Soundcard too, and for ...
Get a Delta 66 Soundcard too, and for recording programs get Audacity, its a free Unix Recording program, and it never crashes unlike windows stuff, if your looking for cheap thats the best way.
hey thanks. but if i had an average ...
hey thanks.
but if i had an average computer...would the fact that i had that particular soundcard still allow to record well?...i mean the computer i have access to at the moment is like 20GB, 256MB RAM, 1700AMD ATHLON...is this enough grunt?
Does that souncard have all neccessary inputs so i can plug and record straight into/onto computer?
the delta 66 is a low-latency line ...
the delta 66 is a low-latency line level only (right?) 6-in, 6-out card. You might be able to find these used. Digidesign recently bought out m-audio which is a bit of a worry in terms of support or updates, but it seems ok for now.
I've mixed a number of albums and softsynthed four of my own on a computer that's almost that spec, though you will need a second hard drive at least.
damn you have a pc..get a decent ...
damn you have a pc..get a decent soundcard, bunch of ram..at least 512mb and by or hire a mixer..some mikes and your away
So you reckon with the specs i have on ...
So you reckon with the specs i have on the computer i listed further up the thread...BUT with 512mb ram a decent soundcard (can someone please give me a few options of "decent" soundcards?) and an 8 channel mixer i'll be sweet? + recording software which i can score for free of mates.
Would it be worth buying own mixer?...i might get my own SM58 i've been planning to for a while but hiring quality mics would be a good move too.
thanks
it again depends on what and how ...
it again depends on what and how you're recording. you might be better off getting a good one or two channel preamp than a whole mixer. and it depends on how you want to mix. you might want to get a 57 instead too, god knows I loved mine before that aucklander stole it.
if you're only doing demo stuff with drums or a whole live band, an 8 channel mixer is definately the way to go for doing a stereo drum mix, which you can record in with anything from a soundblaster live running the kx driver set (cheap, but nasty) or an m-audio audiohphile 2496 (2-in 2-out card that does 24bit/96kHz, probably a tighter option)
the downside of recording just a stereo drum mix is that you won't have as much control over things in the mix stage. the drum mix is already "commited" to these two tracks. no problem with that, especially when you have the time to experiment!
I've mixed around 8-10 16 bit tracks with a LOT of effects per channel on an athlon 1800 with 256MB of ram. You just have to increase the latency of your drivers to allow the processor to work a little less on the hectic side. What I'd be most worried about is the size of your hard disk. I keep all my 2-track masters on 24 bit and that directory is well over 30 gigs. (sheesh, and I was considering mastering in 32 bit FP for the next one..)
And if you're in the market for a desk, watch out for Behringer. The amount of "straight-out-of-the-box" faults and shonky build quality I've seen from them has totally turned me off. Go for a mackie at the very least (sure the EQ sucks but at least they're built well and remarkably clean)
have you thought about monitoring as well?
$1000 for a fucking 4 track??? what ...
$1000 for a fucking 4 track???
what the fuck kind of planet are you from
be ye wary of those who hast suffered ...
be ye wary of those who hast suffered the slings and arrows of the Fostex X-26 my friend! cheap four tracks are terrible, terrible. terrible.
..but woo hey, here's a good deal on a nice ol' 414.
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