thats a bit of a leap of faith...i hope it goes well, will be interesting to see the scope of their playlist, hopefully it won't just be the top echelon of kiwi music that you get to hear all the time anyway....
Just found out that the PD, Grant Hislop, was the guy responsible for the Narcs "comeback" a few years ago. It'll be interesting to hear his idea of decent Kiwi music, eh?
the multinational probably has more resources to back up this kind of move, i.e if it does fail miserably, they can absorb any revenue losses and such, and carry on...also they would have the resources to find out whether this kind of venture is commercially viable, and apparently it is - it wouldn't be happening if it wasn't...
Or perhaps it's not such an expensive exercise. Channel Z has had a bit of a chequered history, so I'm not sure that it's an entity they're too worried about loosing (Joanna might wish to share her article on this...). Plus, I'd imagine that if you already have a bunch of studios, radio-computer-technology stuff, and a few spare frequencies, that you could knock something together relatively cheaply. So it's a bit of a gamble, but not a huge one.
I believe that Channel Z has lasted as long as it has while not even hitting a point in the ratings in Auckland recently almost entirely because Brent Impey loves it, and he knows that the people who work there are passionate about what they do. Without wanting to sound like I work for them (when in reality i don't even listen) they've always done good things for NZ music, and so I think this is a really good logical step for them to take to branch out into something different and hopefully finally manage to tap into a rating audience.
yeah isnt channel z owned by CanWest the canadian company that owns C4 and numerous other music/tv related things in nz? hmmmm. canwest always reminds me of cheap salmon.
Yes (hence the discussion of it being liked by Brent Impey, Canwest CEO & the organisation having a lot of other radio stations...); so they can afford to take a punt. It's not like their radio business is doing poorly (it far outperforms their tv channels)
//Plus, I'd imagine that if you already have a bunch of studios, radio-computer-technology stuff, and a few spare frequencies, that you could knock something together relatively cheaply.
There really isn't any such thing as 'spare frequencies' around these parts. Pretty much all the available frequencies are taken and when one comes up for tender the major companies (TRN and Canwest) will bid into the millions. The Channel Z frequencies are therefore very valuable so it is certainly some sort of risk. Also staff have to be paid, as do fees to apra etc - it's not a particularly cheap exercise at all. I can't imagine that Radioworks/Canwest are planning on this venture failing as the people in charge are, at the end of the day, business motivated and having profits from their other stations prop up a flailing one isn't good business sense. That said, this could be the case for the first little while until the station builds up listenership and therefore advertising revenue - which, I'm sure, is exactly what they're hoping will happen.
Given that it is a financial risk for them, I think it's a brave move and one that I admire. I hope it goes well.
As for the programming, we can speculate all we like, but I guess we won't know until it goes to air. There's no doubt it will have to play a broad variety of genres, and I'm certain that a lot of artists who currently struggle to get radio play will have a new avenue for their music to be heard. With more local music being played, more money will go back into the artists' pockets throuh APRA too. It will also be a great forum for indepth looks into NZ music - features, docos, interviews etc.
//There really isn't any such thing as 'spare frequencies' around these parts.
That strikes me as a terribly aucklocentric view, but perhaps a fair comment. With reference to the other expenses, I suspect that with a computer and some pre-recorded voice breaks, it would be possible to run a station very cheaply, and borrowing talents from other staff already employed. Of course, I suspect Canwest will make a very professional go of this station, but some of the low-power transmitter stations show that it is possible to make radio on a relative shoestring. The core (unavoidable expenses) are the frequency and apra fees, both of which, should they elect to change formats (e.g., they ditched the old TV4 & Channel Z), don't become ongoing costs. It's also worth noting from a business perspective that both TV3 and Sky took 5-10 years to become profitable. (That C4 managed to turn a profit in less than a year suggests that either it's been very successful, or the costs are lower). I'm rambling a bit, but while they are taking some risk, I don't think it's that huge in the overall Canwest media empire. The creation of Kiwi FM hasn't warranted a stockmarket announcement in the way the change to More FM recently has, or the acquisition of Coromandel FM, implying it's either not a big deal, or they're slack and haven't got round to it yet.
Interesting quote from the herald:
" the channel would be genre-specific, featuring dedicated shows such as hip-hop, punk and retro music. Contemporary artists such as Shihad or Brooke Fraser would probably not play next to Hello Sailor or Dave Dobbyn. "
1. Does this mean that they'll be playing songs from Kiri Te Kanawa, The Fan Club, Suzanne Prentice and Johnny Devilin?
2. Kiwi FM? Let us hope the the station proves to be better than its new name. (And does this mean the B-52s can have Channel Z back?)
3. From the late '80s to the mid '90s the Waikato radio station broadcasting on 89.9FM was known as Kiwi FM. Then along came a small independent radio station called Buzzard FM whose sole purpose (as the buzzard) was to kill the Kiwi. It did. Kiwi FM renamed and reformatted itself as The Breeze, while Buzzard became The Edge (yes, that's how The Edge was born).
4. Does this mean that all those local shithouse bedroom musical artists, who can't even get played on student radio because they're so awful, will actually get airplay on Kiwi FM? I mean, they fit the format, yes?
//1. Does this mean that they'll be playing songs from Kiri Te Kanawa, The Fan Club, Suzanne Prentice and Johnny Devilin?
I really hope so. It'd be, like, Nirvana.
//2. Kiwi FM? Let us hope the the station proves to be better than its new name.
This from the company who named their music channel after the terrorist's favourite plastic explosive
//4. Does this mean that all those local shithouse bedroom musical artists, who can't even get played on student radio because they're so awful, will actually get airplay on Kiwi FM? I mean, they fit the format, yes?
They could probably get half a day's airplay from a Finn FM back-catolog. Hopefully this won't mean we can't hear the B-side from Tripping regularly.
In October 2000, terrorists used C-4 to attack the U.S.S. Cole, killing 17 sailors. In 1996, terrorists used C-4 to blow up the Khobar Towers U.S. military housing complex in Saudi Arabia. In December 2001, a man smuggled similar material, hidden in his shoes, onto a commercial airliner. C-4 has also been used in many of the Palestinian suicide bombings in Israel and the Israeli-occupied territories
C-4 is not terribly new technology (it can be burnt like wood to keep warm -- US soldiers were doing this in Nam...)...
"Unfortunately, C-4 will keep making headlines for years to come. Because of its stability and sheer destructive power, C-4 has attracted the attention of terrorists and guerilla fighters all over the world. A small amount of C-4 can do a lot of damage, and it's fairly easy to smuggle the explosive past light security forces. The U.S. military is the primary manufacturer of C-4, and it tightly guards its supply, but there are a number of other sources for similar explosive material (including Iran, which has a history of conflict with the United States). As long as it is readily accessible, C-4 will continue to be a primary weapon in the terrorist arsenal."
theres'a guy on one of those newsgroups who has a few pounds of spare RDX (91% of C-4), maybe you should email him and brew some up yourself. Nothing like a few home-made pyrotechnics.
I hope they have genre spacific shows... so that all the artists in genres not supported by commercial or student radio get a fair chance folk, blues, Jazz, country ... There is some really well recorded good artists in those genres. they are not your average everyday kiwi guitar rock band.. like channel z or BFM already support and they are not for commercial radio either..Therefore those genres get NO funding from NZOA etc.. so they basically get VERY little support.. I hope this will change balance a little !
The thing about other genres (ie Jazz, folks etc) is that they are not seen as having commercial appeal in regards to radio play - this is why they don't get much in the way of NZOA funding. However these genres are far more likley to get Creative NZ funding instead, mostly due to the actual artistic nature of what they play.
Remember NZ On Air is there to fund those bands that are likley to be able to make money from their products, it has nothing to do with the artistic merit, simply economics.
Looks like the playlist is going to mainly consist of rock by the selection available for their kick off countdown. It would be great if it was even more diverse.
I hope they've got good ears on the ground and break-in lots of new bands.
first things i thought of when i read the main story
was....awesome pad out your playlist with sub-par new
zealand tunes, or alternativly burning the hell out
of the good ones
i loved the Z from around 5 years ago, but i had got
progressivly worse as people with the passion gave up
& left. i wonder what bombers take is on this....bomber?
come in bomber?
but can i say at this point the IT'S A CRAP NAME!
My take?
Well obviously the demise of Channel Z is sad, Christ
I've spent 7 years of my life at the place - but it has
been dogged by problems, the first was the centralisation
from Wellington to Auckland - a move I never supported,
I thought the local shows mixed with some network shows
was a good compromise between local flavour and
maximisation of some of our talent over the whole country
- but I don't run the place. That move and the subsequent
backlash from Welingtonians feeling that a bunch of
fucking Aucklanders had taken over their favourite toy
was crippling and something Z Wellington never recovered
from. Christchurch went off the boil, after we started
so strong there. When we merged with Radioworks we were
surprised that the Radioworks corporate structure and
management style was adopted over the MoreFM culture.
I think that merging and the lack of communication with
on site staff short changed us in Christchurch and the
flagging ratings reflected that. Auckland of course was
crippled by the frequency change - and I mean crippled.
David Riddler, Anthony Matson, Andrew Szusterman, Grant
Hislop, Brent Impy and Larry Sommerville have all done
an amazing job fighting for Channel Z as long as they
have, and they fought for it because they believed they
had a responsibility to NZ to bring our sounds to a
wider audience - it was great working with them all.
I love Channel Z, it was the first commercial station
that really went out on a limb for NZ music and I put
it forward as the main success and renaissance of NZ
music over the last 6 years. Without Channel Z, other
commercial stations wouldn't have bothered playing NZ
music, but once broken on Z, they felt it wasn't such
a risk. It allowed a junction between the Bnet stations
and the commercial stations - I will miss it - and as
for talkback - well, it's been a fucking ride and a
half - an absolute privilege which has made me very
humble.
My thoughts on Kiwi - genius. The strongest flag we
had at Z was our 35% NZ music content - regardless of
music genre, most New Zealanders who would never like
Hip Hop consider Scribe their boy, and the hip hop
fans buy Blindspott albums. NZ was colonised by
Europeans escaping a class system - our egalitarian
values state that 'no one can look down their nose
at us'.
Why is it that this little country has made huge
steps politically (Universal Suffrage, 40 hour week,
nuclear free, MMP) our sporting, scientific and artistic
achievements - Hillary , Rutherford and Jackson - we
don't see that there is anything we can't do because we
refuse to bow to anyone (of course this egalitarianism
also has a negative 'tall poppy element' - we hate
pretension). My point is - is there anything cooler
for a NZer than your own hood? No, there isn't. I think
Kiwi will go beyond expectations and the dire warnings
expressed on this email list.
Is kiwi a genre? No, it's a lifestyle and a way of
seeing the world - I'm pretty excited, good luck Kiwi.
Ummm there's already a station called Kiwi ! Unless they've gone under ? I hope the Z owners have done their homework ?
Station Name: K1W1
Format: Alternative
Network:
Region: Northland
Contact: Dave Warring, Programme
Address: c/o Canterbury School Of Media Aoraki Polytech Christchurch Campus Box 22096 CHRISTCHURCH
...but replacing Channel Z? Not happy about that...Channel Z is one of the only radio stations that actually plays the music I like, and if they get rid of talkback with Bomber i'd be very peeved indeed.
I don't really like the idea at all. It is a lame name and it's completely alienating Channel Z's audience. Going 100% for NZ Music Month was a good idea but all year around? Maybe not. I personally like Channel Z how it is and i'm worried what will happen to the shows like the Resurrection Selection and such if it happens. Not to mention the change in playlist, they won't play anything that's not NZ Music. What about the people who like their overseas music? This could possibly be the peak downfall of Channel Z/Kiwi.
most stations you'd think would actually want to have some level of consistency within their playlist in order to maintain their listenership- when i used to listen to the radio i'd switch on, and leave the radio playing in the background, but i'd only listen to 96.1(when it used to be an alternative music station) or Channel Z.
now having themed, genre shows, and that fact, that there's no real consistency in "kiwi" musicto make it a genre in itself, who's going to bother to keep the radio turned on to this station if people aren't going to be able to listen to the music they want constantly? you can hardly say a fan of the dudes or neil finn is going to want to listen to scribe or mareko.
all that's happening here is you have a mainstream media outlet trying to generate some sort of nationalistic pride to pin onto a radio station, to capitalize upon.
Yes that's exactly right. I hope they rethink they idea or dare I say it, I'd rather Channel Z cut its losses now than try to do something that might prove more harm than good. Their ratings aren't as high as the Edge or The Breeze and The Rock but who really cares? Channel Z is unique in the way it caters for a more alternative demographic.
This seems more like a patriotic move than "for the music". There's nothing wrong with supporting NZ music but with what Channel Z is doing by going 100% NZ Music is generating a very uncohesive programming format by bunching everything from K'lee to Scribe with Dimmer to Shihad. Sounds like a total mismatch of a mixed salad.
Channel Z isn't perfect and Kiwi FM is going to be even further from it. I just wish they'd see sense that there is NOTHING wrong with the way they have things running now. There are fans of dance and hip hop on the Z and to cater for that they had specific genre shows for them. Such as Sir-vere's 1 hour show and they had a Dance show with Jon and Nath a few years ago.
Last NZ Music Month they played 100% the whole time. That was good because it wasn't contrived in the way this is. NZ Music Month is something to celebrate about and if they go the full 12 yards than any speciality NZ Music Month hard is almost long gone. Personally that would be a better idea than making a station about it. If they really want something more regular running than why not make a show dedicated for it?
If ratings are what they are worried about than they better think quick and rethink the idea because going completely mainstream and not catering to the audiences tastes is going to result in a loss of most their core audience, long time listeners and maybe even their own employees. I know Phoebe would disaprove of playing K'lee and talking her up without being sarcastic.
"a very uncohesive programming format by bunching everything from K'lee to Scribe with Dimmer to Shihad. Sounds like a total mismatch of a mixed salad."
actually from the look of that 'vote for your fav song' list thing they seem to be pushing a mix of standard radio kiwi fare (shihad, elemeno p, goodshirt etc) mixed in with a bit of classic fm standard kiwi fare (dave dobbyn, hello sailor, shona laing etc).. a VERY bad sign.
//they seem to be pushing a mix of standard radio kiwi fare (shihad, elemeno p, goodshirt etc) mixed in with a bit of classic fm standard kiwi fare (dave dobbyn, hello sailor, shona laing etc).. a VERY bad sign.
either that, or a sign that they don't want to scare off their current listeners with a whole lot of stuff they've never heard of?
Or it looks like The Rock's Kiwi playlist, plus Salmonella Dub & Concord Dawn, and a little bit more out there stuff (although all pretty familiar to nzmers). There is no Brooke Fraser or too much of the real soft stuff. It doesn't actually sound that discontinuous -- I'd probably listen to it over my other options I think (not that I'm in the broadcast area). Also, it's worth noting that radio station countdowns don't necessarily reflect what they play (but can be used to influence what they will play).
while i can see the positive sides of what they are at least trying to do for new zealand music won't this move leave a large gap in the market for a station that is alternative focused but borders the mainstream while removing a station which introduces international bands popular to listeners to the local market thta other stations fail to provide room for within their branding as well as allienating many of the stations current listners
the use of genre based shows seems unlikely to maintain a consistent and station loyal audience
a major fear must be the play list itself while supporting up and comming bands is an important step surely the sacrifice of the quality of the music for the simple fact that it is nz music could be a problem espeacially since during nz music month when the station was playing 100% nz music it's selection did edge towards tired repetitiveness in just one month if trying to pursue such a setup full time won't the repeativeness only increase or be combatted by the constant search for new kiwi music no matter what the quality????
Channel Z will leave a fairly small gap (under 2%), but interestingly median strip suggest that Z's role in breaking new international bands could be an issue. Although, when I realise that a radio station "broke" Creed into the NZ market (admittedly not Z), I don't know if that's a problem or not...
As everyone has said we'll just have to wait and see what format kiwi takes...but I think perhaps a reason for the change is not so much a money making one (Channel Z has been losing cash hand over fist fro a while now and was probably just in exsistence to make sure no other networks could bring an alt youth station into the market). But rather they're going all kiwi so the radio works network looks good to the government and NZ on Air, and then the network will have a flag ship station to wave around saying "look how much we support nz music"... it might even make a good case against the government starting up that old youth radio network which would hurt there other stations like the rock and the edge. Hopefully student radio will be able to broaden it's scope a little and take any old channel z listeners under it's wing and keep them happy.
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thats a bit of a leap of faith...i hope ...
thats a bit of a leap of faith...i hope it goes well, will be interesting to see the scope of their playlist, hopefully it won't just be the top echelon of kiwi music that you get to hear all the time anyway....
Yep, the cyninc in me is convinced that ...
Yep, the cyninc in me is convinced that they'll just play the usual pap, rather than looking for new stuff. I hope I'm proved wrong.
SING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Just found out that the PD, Grant ...
Just found out that the PD, Grant Hislop, was the guy responsible for the Narcs "comeback" a few years ago. It'll be interesting to hear his idea of decent Kiwi music, eh?
Well he manages Pluto and Goodshirt for ...
Well he manages Pluto and Goodshirt for starters...
Haven't heard either of them....
Haven't heard either of them.
aw c'mon jet... buck it up....
aw c'mon jet... buck it up.
Well I think thats fucken fantastic. ...
Well I think thats fucken fantastic. Good on them.
interesting that it's a radio station ...
interesting that it's a radio station owned by a multinational are pushing the barriers rather than nz owned independent stations.
Grant Hislop also manages Goodshirt.
hope they are as wide ranging as the press release says.
the multinational probably has more ...
the multinational probably has more resources to back up this kind of move, i.e if it does fail miserably, they can absorb any revenue losses and such, and carry on...also they would have the resources to find out whether this kind of venture is commercially viable, and apparently it is - it wouldn't be happening if it wasn't...
Or perhaps it's not such an expensive ...
Or perhaps it's not such an expensive exercise. Channel Z has had a bit of a chequered history, so I'm not sure that it's an entity they're too worried about loosing (Joanna might wish to share her article on this...). Plus, I'd imagine that if you already have a bunch of studios, radio-computer-technology stuff, and a few spare frequencies, that you could knock something together relatively cheaply. So it's a bit of a gamble, but not a huge one.
You mean this, limegreen? It's from ...
You mean this, limegreen? It's from 2003, but some of the things are possibly still relevant:
[ external link ]
I believe that Channel Z has lasted as ...
I believe that Channel Z has lasted as long as it has while not even hitting a point in the ratings in Auckland recently almost entirely because Brent Impey loves it, and he knows that the people who work there are passionate about what they do. Without wanting to sound like I work for them (when in reality i don't even listen) they've always done good things for NZ music, and so I think this is a really good logical step for them to take to branch out into something different and hopefully finally manage to tap into a rating audience.
Good riddance, Channel Z! After a ...
Good riddance, Channel Z! After a history of fuck-ups, it's about time they laid the station to rest.
yeah isnt channel z owned by CanWest ...
yeah isnt channel z owned by CanWest the canadian company that owns C4 and numerous other music/tv related things in nz? hmmmm. canwest always reminds me of cheap salmon.
// isnt channel z owned by CanWest ...
// isnt channel z owned by CanWest
Yes (hence the discussion of it being liked by Brent Impey, Canwest CEO & the organisation having a lot of other radio stations...); so they can afford to take a punt. It's not like their radio business is doing poorly (it far outperforms their tv channels)
//Plus, I'd imagine that if you ...
//Plus, I'd imagine that if you already have a bunch of studios, radio-computer-technology stuff, and a few spare frequencies, that you could knock something together relatively cheaply.
There really isn't any such thing as 'spare frequencies' around these parts. Pretty much all the available frequencies are taken and when one comes up for tender the major companies (TRN and Canwest) will bid into the millions. The Channel Z frequencies are therefore very valuable so it is certainly some sort of risk. Also staff have to be paid, as do fees to apra etc - it's not a particularly cheap exercise at all. I can't imagine that Radioworks/Canwest are planning on this venture failing as the people in charge are, at the end of the day, business motivated and having profits from their other stations prop up a flailing one isn't good business sense. That said, this could be the case for the first little while until the station builds up listenership and therefore advertising revenue - which, I'm sure, is exactly what they're hoping will happen.
Given that it is a financial risk for them, I think it's a brave move and one that I admire. I hope it goes well.
As for the programming, we can speculate all we like, but I guess we won't know until it goes to air. There's no doubt it will have to play a broad variety of genres, and I'm certain that a lot of artists who currently struggle to get radio play will have a new avenue for their music to be heard. With more local music being played, more money will go back into the artists' pockets throuh APRA too. It will also be a great forum for indepth looks into NZ music - features, docos, interviews etc.
//There really isn't any such thing as ...
//There really isn't any such thing as 'spare frequencies' around these parts.
That strikes me as a terribly aucklocentric view, but perhaps a fair comment. With reference to the other expenses, I suspect that with a computer and some pre-recorded voice breaks, it would be possible to run a station very cheaply, and borrowing talents from other staff already employed. Of course, I suspect Canwest will make a very professional go of this station, but some of the low-power transmitter stations show that it is possible to make radio on a relative shoestring. The core (unavoidable expenses) are the frequency and apra fees, both of which, should they elect to change formats (e.g., they ditched the old TV4 & Channel Z), don't become ongoing costs. It's also worth noting from a business perspective that both TV3 and Sky took 5-10 years to become profitable. (That C4 managed to turn a profit in less than a year suggests that either it's been very successful, or the costs are lower). I'm rambling a bit, but while they are taking some risk, I don't think it's that huge in the overall Canwest media empire. The creation of Kiwi FM hasn't warranted a stockmarket announcement in the way the change to More FM recently has, or the acquisition of Coromandel FM, implying it's either not a big deal, or they're slack and haven't got round to it yet.
Interesting quote from the herald:
" the channel would be genre-specific, featuring dedicated shows such as hip-hop, punk and retro music. Contemporary artists such as Shihad or Brooke Fraser would probably not play next to Hello Sailor or Dave Dobbyn. "
i dont want anything to change! i love ...
i dont want anything to change! i love channel z just the way it is!!!!!!!!!
Wow radio, I'd forgotten all about ...
Wow radio, I'd forgotten all about that!
1. Does this mean that they'll be ...
1. Does this mean that they'll be playing songs from Kiri Te Kanawa, The Fan Club, Suzanne Prentice and Johnny Devilin?
2. Kiwi FM? Let us hope the the station proves to be better than its new name. (And does this mean the B-52s can have Channel Z back?)
3. From the late '80s to the mid '90s the Waikato radio station broadcasting on 89.9FM was known as Kiwi FM. Then along came a small independent radio station called Buzzard FM whose sole purpose (as the buzzard) was to kill the Kiwi. It did. Kiwi FM renamed and reformatted itself as The Breeze, while Buzzard became The Edge (yes, that's how The Edge was born).
4. Does this mean that all those local shithouse bedroom musical artists, who can't even get played on student radio because they're so awful, will actually get airplay on Kiwi FM? I mean, they fit the format, yes?
//1. Does this mean that they'll be ...
//1. Does this mean that they'll be playing songs from Kiri Te Kanawa, The Fan Club, Suzanne Prentice and Johnny Devilin?
I really hope so. It'd be, like, Nirvana.
//2. Kiwi FM? Let us hope the the station proves to be better than its new name.
This from the company who named their music channel after the terrorist's favourite plastic explosive
//4. Does this mean that all those local shithouse bedroom musical artists, who can't even get played on student radio because they're so awful, will actually get airplay on Kiwi FM? I mean, they fit the format, yes?
They could probably get half a day's airplay from a Finn FM back-catolog. Hopefully this won't mean we can't hear the B-side from Tripping regularly.
c4 is american issue... i don't think ...
c4 is american issue... i don't think terrorists have easy access to that stuff, so they'd go for a cheaper option
In October 2000, terrorists used C-4 to ...
In October 2000, terrorists used C-4 to attack the U.S.S. Cole, killing 17 sailors. In 1996, terrorists used C-4 to blow up the Khobar Towers U.S. military housing complex in Saudi Arabia. In December 2001, a man smuggled similar material, hidden in his shoes, onto a commercial airliner. C-4 has also been used in many of the Palestinian suicide bombings in Israel and the Israeli-occupied territories
ah ok, would you say these would be ...
ah ok, would you say these would be people who've been supplied with military 'aid' from the states?
// ah ok, would you say these would be ...
// ah ok, would you say these would be people
// who've been supplied with military 'aid' from the states?
The US is supplying C4 to Al Qaeda? So it can attack the USA's own warships?
Or maybe they've just figured out how to make it for themselves...
[ external link ]
C-4 is not terribly new technology (it ...
C-4 is not terribly new technology (it can be burnt like wood to keep warm -- US soldiers were doing this in Nam...)...
"Unfortunately, C-4 will keep making headlines for years to come. Because of its stability and sheer destructive power, C-4 has attracted the attention of terrorists and guerilla fighters all over the world. A small amount of C-4 can do a lot of damage, and it's fairly easy to smuggle the explosive past light security forces. The U.S. military is the primary manufacturer of C-4, and it tightly guards its supply, but there are a number of other sources for similar explosive material (including Iran, which has a history of conflict with the United States). As long as it is readily accessible, C-4 will continue to be a primary weapon in the terrorist arsenal."
[ http://people.howstuffworks.com/c-42.htm ]
rad, i want some...
rad, i want some
theres'a guy on one of those ...
theres'a guy on one of those newsgroups who has a few pounds of spare RDX (91% of C-4), maybe you should email him and brew some up yourself. Nothing like a few home-made pyrotechnics.
I hope they have genre spacific ...
I hope they have genre spacific shows... so that all the artists in genres not supported by commercial or student radio get a fair chance folk, blues, Jazz, country ... There is some really well recorded good artists in those genres. they are not your average everyday kiwi guitar rock band.. like channel z or BFM already support and they are not for commercial radio either..Therefore those genres get NO funding from NZOA etc.. so they basically get VERY little support.. I hope this will change balance a little !
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The thing about other genres (ie Jazz, ...
The thing about other genres (ie Jazz, folks etc) is that they are not seen as having commercial appeal in regards to radio play - this is why they don't get much in the way of NZOA funding. However these genres are far more likley to get Creative NZ funding instead, mostly due to the actual artistic nature of what they play.
Remember NZ On Air is there to fund those bands that are likley to be able to make money from their products, it has nothing to do with the artistic merit, simply economics.
Looks like the playlist is going to ...
Looks like the playlist is going to mainly consist of rock by the selection available for their kick off countdown. It would be great if it was even more diverse.
I hope they've got good ears on the ground and break-in lots of new bands.
Bring back Dr. Rock!!!
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first things i thought of when i read ...
first things i thought of when i read the main story
was....awesome pad out your playlist with sub-par new
zealand tunes, or alternativly burning the hell out
of the good ones
i loved the Z from around 5 years ago, but i had got
progressivly worse as people with the passion gave up
& left. i wonder what bombers take is on this....bomber?
come in bomber?
but can i say at this point the IT'S A CRAP NAME!
whoa,way to get on his nuts...
whoa,way to get on his nuts
from the NZ radio mailing list; My ...
from the NZ radio mailing list;
My take?
Well obviously the demise of Channel Z is sad, Christ
I've spent 7 years of my life at the place - but it has
been dogged by problems, the first was the centralisation
from Wellington to Auckland - a move I never supported,
I thought the local shows mixed with some network shows
was a good compromise between local flavour and
maximisation of some of our talent over the whole country
- but I don't run the place. That move and the subsequent
backlash from Welingtonians feeling that a bunch of
fucking Aucklanders had taken over their favourite toy
was crippling and something Z Wellington never recovered
from. Christchurch went off the boil, after we started
so strong there. When we merged with Radioworks we were
surprised that the Radioworks corporate structure and
management style was adopted over the MoreFM culture.
I think that merging and the lack of communication with
on site staff short changed us in Christchurch and the
flagging ratings reflected that. Auckland of course was
crippled by the frequency change - and I mean crippled.
David Riddler, Anthony Matson, Andrew Szusterman, Grant
Hislop, Brent Impy and Larry Sommerville have all done
an amazing job fighting for Channel Z as long as they
have, and they fought for it because they believed they
had a responsibility to NZ to bring our sounds to a
wider audience - it was great working with them all.
I love Channel Z, it was the first commercial station
that really went out on a limb for NZ music and I put
it forward as the main success and renaissance of NZ
music over the last 6 years. Without Channel Z, other
commercial stations wouldn't have bothered playing NZ
music, but once broken on Z, they felt it wasn't such
a risk. It allowed a junction between the Bnet stations
and the commercial stations - I will miss it - and as
for talkback - well, it's been a fucking ride and a
half - an absolute privilege which has made me very
humble.
My thoughts on Kiwi - genius. The strongest flag we
had at Z was our 35% NZ music content - regardless of
music genre, most New Zealanders who would never like
Hip Hop consider Scribe their boy, and the hip hop
fans buy Blindspott albums. NZ was colonised by
Europeans escaping a class system - our egalitarian
values state that 'no one can look down their nose
at us'.
Why is it that this little country has made huge
steps politically (Universal Suffrage, 40 hour week,
nuclear free, MMP) our sporting, scientific and artistic
achievements - Hillary , Rutherford and Jackson - we
don't see that there is anything we can't do because we
refuse to bow to anyone (of course this egalitarianism
also has a negative 'tall poppy element' - we hate
pretension). My point is - is there anything cooler
for a NZer than your own hood? No, there isn't. I think
Kiwi will go beyond expectations and the dire warnings
expressed on this email list.
Is kiwi a genre? No, it's a lifestyle and a way of
seeing the world - I'm pretty excited, good luck Kiwi.
Channel Z is dead, long live Kiwi.
Chur to the chur
bomber
Ummm there's already a station called ...
Ummm there's already a station called Kiwi ! Unless they've gone under ? I hope the Z owners have done their homework ?
Station Name: K1W1
Format: Alternative
Network:
Region: Northland
Contact: Dave Warring, Programme
Address: c/o Canterbury School Of Media Aoraki Polytech Christchurch Campus Box 22096 CHRISTCHURCH
All the more reason for Channel Z not ...
All the more reason for Channel Z not to take up their new incarnation. That tech had it first.
A good idea, I must say.... ...but ...
A good idea, I must say....
...but replacing Channel Z? Not happy about that...Channel Z is one of the only radio stations that actually plays the music I like, and if they get rid of talkback with Bomber i'd be very peeved indeed.
I don't really like the idea at all. ...
I don't really like the idea at all. It is a lame name and it's completely alienating Channel Z's audience. Going 100% for NZ Music Month was a good idea but all year around? Maybe not. I personally like Channel Z how it is and i'm worried what will happen to the shows like the Resurrection Selection and such if it happens. Not to mention the change in playlist, they won't play anything that's not NZ Music. What about the people who like their overseas music? This could possibly be the peak downfall of Channel Z/Kiwi.
yeah, this is actually a TERRIBLE ...
yeah, this is actually a TERRIBLE idea
most stations you'd think would actually want to have some level of consistency within their playlist in order to maintain their listenership- when i used to listen to the radio i'd switch on, and leave the radio playing in the background, but i'd only listen to 96.1(when it used to be an alternative music station) or Channel Z.
now having themed, genre shows, and that fact, that there's no real consistency in "kiwi" musicto make it a genre in itself, who's going to bother to keep the radio turned on to this station if people aren't going to be able to listen to the music they want constantly? you can hardly say a fan of the dudes or neil finn is going to want to listen to scribe or mareko.
all that's happening here is you have a mainstream media outlet trying to generate some sort of nationalistic pride to pin onto a radio station, to capitalize upon.
Yes that's exactly right. I hope they ...
Yes that's exactly right. I hope they rethink they idea or dare I say it, I'd rather Channel Z cut its losses now than try to do something that might prove more harm than good. Their ratings aren't as high as the Edge or The Breeze and The Rock but who really cares? Channel Z is unique in the way it caters for a more alternative demographic.
This seems more like a patriotic move than "for the music". There's nothing wrong with supporting NZ music but with what Channel Z is doing by going 100% NZ Music is generating a very uncohesive programming format by bunching everything from K'lee to Scribe with Dimmer to Shihad. Sounds like a total mismatch of a mixed salad.
Channel Z isn't perfect and Kiwi FM is going to be even further from it. I just wish they'd see sense that there is NOTHING wrong with the way they have things running now. There are fans of dance and hip hop on the Z and to cater for that they had specific genre shows for them. Such as Sir-vere's 1 hour show and they had a Dance show with Jon and Nath a few years ago.
Last NZ Music Month they played 100% the whole time. That was good because it wasn't contrived in the way this is. NZ Music Month is something to celebrate about and if they go the full 12 yards than any speciality NZ Music Month hard is almost long gone. Personally that would be a better idea than making a station about it. If they really want something more regular running than why not make a show dedicated for it?
If ratings are what they are worried about than they better think quick and rethink the idea because going completely mainstream and not catering to the audiences tastes is going to result in a loss of most their core audience, long time listeners and maybe even their own employees. I know Phoebe would disaprove of playing K'lee and talking her up without being sarcastic.
"a very uncohesive programming format ...
"a very uncohesive programming format by bunching everything from K'lee to Scribe with Dimmer to Shihad. Sounds like a total mismatch of a mixed salad."
thats not a particularly wide spectrum..
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actually from the look of that 'vote ...
actually from the look of that 'vote for your fav song' list thing they seem to be pushing a mix of standard radio kiwi fare (shihad, elemeno p, goodshirt etc) mixed in with a bit of classic fm standard kiwi fare (dave dobbyn, hello sailor, shona laing etc).. a VERY bad sign.
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//they seem to be pushing a mix of ...
//they seem to be pushing a mix of standard radio kiwi fare (shihad, elemeno p, goodshirt etc) mixed in with a bit of classic fm standard kiwi fare (dave dobbyn, hello sailor, shona laing etc).. a VERY bad sign.
either that, or a sign that they don't want to scare off their current listeners with a whole lot of stuff they've never heard of?
you're right achilles about the name. ...
you're right achilles about the name. It is just plain lame
Or it looks like The Rock's Kiwi ...
Or it looks like The Rock's Kiwi playlist, plus Salmonella Dub & Concord Dawn, and a little bit more out there stuff (although all pretty familiar to nzmers). There is no Brooke Fraser or too much of the real soft stuff. It doesn't actually sound that discontinuous -- I'd probably listen to it over my other options I think (not that I'm in the broadcast area). Also, it's worth noting that radio station countdowns don't necessarily reflect what they play (but can be used to influence what they will play).
personally i don't see the point in ...
personally i don't see the point in _another_ radio station with exactly the same playlist as C4...
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are they going to come up with ...
are they going to come up with something a bit more lateral in a name other than kiwi fm?
while i can see the positive sides of ...
while i can see the positive sides of what they are at least trying to do for new zealand music won't this move leave a large gap in the market for a station that is alternative focused but borders the mainstream while removing a station which introduces international bands popular to listeners to the local market thta other stations fail to provide room for within their branding as well as allienating many of the stations current listners
the use of genre based shows seems unlikely to maintain a consistent and station loyal audience
a major fear must be the play list itself while supporting up and comming bands is an important step surely the sacrifice of the quality of the music for the simple fact that it is nz music could be a problem espeacially since during nz music month when the station was playing 100% nz music it's selection did edge towards tired repetitiveness in just one month if trying to pursue such a setup full time won't the repeativeness only increase or be combatted by the constant search for new kiwi music no matter what the quality????
Channel Z will leave a fairly small gap ...
Channel Z will leave a fairly small gap (under 2%), but interestingly median strip suggest that Z's role in breaking new international bands could be an issue. Although, when I realise that a radio station "broke" Creed into the NZ market (admittedly not Z), I don't know if that's a problem or not...
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As everyone has said we'll just have ...
As everyone has said we'll just have to wait and see what format kiwi takes...but I think perhaps a reason for the change is not so much a money making one (Channel Z has been losing cash hand over fist fro a while now and was probably just in exsistence to make sure no other networks could bring an alt youth station into the market). But rather they're going all kiwi so the radio works network looks good to the government and NZ on Air, and then the network will have a flag ship station to wave around saying "look how much we support nz music"... it might even make a good case against the government starting up that old youth radio network which would hurt there other stations like the rock and the edge. Hopefully student radio will be able to broaden it's scope a little and take any old channel z listeners under it's wing and keep them happy.