remeber to take the rubbish out regularly. . .our flat got maggots recently, because we left a rubbish bag or 2 in the laundry for a couple of weeks.... i thought they were pretty cool, but the other guys didn't...
The furthest I've lived away from home was in a tent at the bottom of the garden for a few hours - I got into an argument with my parents once when I was small (can't remember over what, exactly), and threatened to leave home. Well, a mandarin tree in the backyard was as far as I got. I took some biscuits with me. I figured I'd rely on my Mum for a change of clothing each morning - but I didn't get that far.
Live with people who are slightly tidier than you.
Cancel the wire maintenance charge on your phone account (fixing the phone line is your landlord's problem).
Ummm, I don't know. I was hella keen to leave town, and pretty sick of living with my parents, so I didn't look back. I wrote a letter home once a week (my parents did have email waaaay back then)...
Wednesday morning at five o'clock as the day begins
Silently closing her bedroom door
Leaving the note that she hoped would say more
She goes downstairs to the kitchen clutching her hankerchief
Quietly turning the backdoor key
Stepping outside she is free.
She (We gave her most of our lives)
Is leaving (Sacrificed most of our lives)
Home (We gave her everything money could buy)
She's leaving home after living alone
For so many years. Bye, bye
Father snores as his wife gets into her dressing gown
Picks up the letter that's lying there
Standing alone at the top of the stairs
She breaks down and cries to her husband
Daddy our baby's gone.
Why would she treat us so thoughtlessly
How could she do this to me.
She (We never thought of ourselves)
Is leaving (Never a thought for ourselves)
Home (We struggled hard all our lives to get by)
She's leaving home after living alone
For so many years. Bye, bye
Friday morning at nine o'clock she is far away
Waiting to keep the appointment she made
Meeting a man from the motor trade.
She (What did we do that was wrong?)
Is having (We didn't know it was wrong)
Fun (Fun is the one thing that money can't buy)
Something inside that was always denied
For so many years. Bye, bye
She's leaving home. Bye, bye
about bloody time says father to mother as she walks out the door
don't be bringing your dirty washing here either yells mother
now they are alone . . . . .
yay they can finally walk around naked again
and root in the kitchen, lounge, dining room, laundry, her old room . . . .
Paul will be very pleased, neither of them could remember the words to the bridge after their huge gunja session, don't worry I'll forward it on immediately.
whatever you do don't live with your closest friends. Better to live with associates rather than people you like a lot. You'll otherwise soon hate them and their annoying wee habits. Whereas associates (provided they aren't totally psycho) turn out to be better to deal with without harming your friendship with them
you can live with friend and not get annoyed with them. the trick is to also live with someone who really annoys you. then you spend all your hate time battling them.
Or be fussy about *which* friends you live with. I've lived with one of my better friends for just over 3 years with no harm done, but other of my friends I haven't lived with and haven't contemplated living with. We did have a trial arrangment for a couple of months the year beforehand so we kinda knew it would work.
I Lived at the CIT for about 6 months back in 98, I Found that on a budget of $160 p/w i only had $20 left (the rent included power and 3 meals a day) I Only had enough for smokes and beer. It wasnt the emotional issues that concerned me - just the money. So i ropped outta tech, got a job and moved back in with my folks where i still am hopefully for a few more weeks.
/Anyone have any stories, or tips to make the move as easy as possible?
In terms of finding it emotional?
Don't move too far away that it becomes a major mission to visit the olds.
Otherwise.
Try to keep some kind of schedule re, keeping place tidy.
Always keep money seperate to pay bills.
Flat with people who aren't going to blow all their bill paying money on P and ignore warning letters from power/ phone/ ISP.....
Expect to get to know some people better than you did before, can be both good and bad.
*Don't sign a fixed-term tenancy
*Don't sleep with your flatmates
*Don't give sole authority of the flat account to just one person, there teh only thing betwen them and stealing the rent is integrity and honesty (which can be precious in these troubled times).
*Your parents don't mind if you steal their food now, they're just so pleased to have you home for a visit.
If you must sleep with your flatmates (because hey, it happens. A lot.), make sure that you only do the ones who are lower down on the power scale than you, so if you get bored of them you can throw them out. Don't ever pick flatmates that you think you could fall in love with though.
//'in limbo .. i want a pie.. it's smokey in here... in limbo... i want a pie .. it's sm........."
Well it's not smokey in venues anymore, hah..... but I'll never say no to some good pie guts.
And you can't complain about "In Limbo" anymore either because I finished mixing that song ages ago.... you do however have to put up with all my new songs being played over and over and over and over and over until I'm happy with the mix.... it's a much more complex process than "playing other peoples music" aye DJ Geekboy, haha.
ps. internet hogger....... now it's MY time online.
the stereo i monitor all my music production on can run speakers and headphones simultaneously, and on more than one occasion i've pulled my headphones off at 3 or 4am, only to realise the speakers have been blasting out for most of the night while the other not so musically-minded flatmates are trying to sleep....
however....
most flat problems can be solved with the preparation of a decent meal for the other flatmates
Disasteradio found some speakers at the November A Low Hum gig and that's what I use now =D
I never forget that they're on because they're always making a kind of low humming noise (get it? haha)
//most flat problems can be solved with the preparation of a decent meal for the other flatmates.
Yeah, I'll boil the jug for his 2 minute noodles.... ahahhaha
its been 5 years and my mum still calls once a week, its kind of nice though, cause they always tell me that they'll help me out if i need anything, even though they are in auckland and I'm in chch. Its just nice to hear it every once in a while.
Be confident that you know what you're doing .. and remember, if ii all turns to custard, the loving (sometimes smothing) parental support is only a phone call away
Make sure any boys you choose to flat with have a decent level of personal hygenie! Found that out the icky way :o(
If you're moving into an existing flat, ask them what kind of cleaning roster they have, and if it works. If a flat that has post-it notes stuck up saying things like "DO YOUR (insert profanity of choice) DISHES!" leave immediately. Also, don't be that person that sticks up post-its.
Similarly, take a good look at the kind of messages left up on the communal whiteboard. Phone messages = good, complaints about domestic hygiene = bad.
In my experience, disputes over dishes have always been the single biggest factor in flat dischord. If you don't like doing dishes, find a place with a dishwasher. Sneak a look for any large piles of dishes not only in the kitchen, but also in the existing flatties' rooms.
Don't flat with couples - if you get on the wrong side of one of them, you're instantly on the wrong side of both. That is, unless they're over 60. Retired couples will insist on feeding you.
oh yeah. The current couple I live with lie to leave notes about things they are annoyed with from time to time. I think they fail to realise that leaving notes is more annoying than telling you face to face, cause notes just make me want to do whatever it is more.
Moving out is pretty hard. Just be prepared to go through a huge learning curve. There are plenty of horror flat storied about and things do turn to crap. In those times its best to remember that you are not stuck in the flat. Never feel like you are bound to stay. Even if you have signed a lease there are ways out (usually all you need to do is find a replacement flatmate to take your place, sometimes the landlord will even do this for you). The tenancy tribunal is your best friend (unless you are a shit tenant). They can give you advice on anything to do with flats and act as a mediator if things go wrong.
But for every horror story there are those magic moments that can make flatting an incredible experience: like the drunken parties where you wake up the next day and there is some yummy person sleeping naked next to you, creating yet another masterly meal with mince and having your best mate compliment you on your culinary skills, finding someone's hidden stash in the ceiling (drugs or porn).
...oh, wear and tear is the landlord's problem, but if you see an odd mouldy patch anywhere in the bathroom walls, or a tap starts leaking, or toadstools suddenly start sprouting from the windowsill, tell the landlord straight away - call and write. Doesn't matter if they do anything about it or not, but if you don't tell them immediately then you're liable for any cumulative damage. First-hand experience.
oooh ooh i've had issues with that too....only, we told the landlord through a letter, and a call. Yet, a week later, he came around for a 'visit' and bitched at us for 'not telling' him about it!
He was an idiot...
We knew he got the letter, because he said so in the phone convo
Ah, in my case it was all our fault. We left a leaky plughole for months, thinking that the mouldy patch was just damp Wellington for you. After we moved out I think the landlord had to replace an entire wall. Suffice it to say we didn't get our bond back.
NEVER EVER flat with other people - My cousin learnt this the hard way. when chosing a flat go for a 1 b/room, even if you think flatmates keep the rent down, the full price is a small price to pay for not having a nazi-dictator flatmate getting at you for the smallest of things.
It's a big bad world out there, and I would suggest the following:
If you can, take your time to find a good location for yourself, and a decent place. Nothing worse than rushing into something just because you have to.
Make sure you know what the deal is with payment of food/utilities etc. (has been discussed above), some flats split utilities etc but cook/buy food individually - good to know these things. Also know the deal with domestic chores - this has caused huge ruckuses in some of my old flats.
If you do end up "seeing" one of your flatmates - make sure you're prepared for a shift in flat dynamics, because it will change no matter what.
It is a bit scary living with people you know or with total strangers - you never know what their habits are until you start living with them anyway, sometimes you just have to go with the flow.
Flatting can be incredibly rewarding, meeting new people and some of my best friends are old flatmates, and some of the best life stories revolve around flatting!!!!
Good luck!!!
I'm planning to move out after I finished my course. Probably next year. It's a tough world out there so even though my parents are annoying I have to maintain my cool.
Most people who leave home don't use removal companies because they usually get family and friends to help. But if you do end up using a moving company, best get them to do the shift on a weekday, because on weekends they are notoriously late because everyone moves on weekends!
The other thing is you should probably consider using something like flataccount.com to manage your flat expenses rather than getting a flat account. One flat I was in, one of the flatmates tried to do a runner with the flat money. I use flataccount.com in my flat at the moment and works a treat. You basically pay for expenses yourself and flataccount.com works out who owes what, so you don't have a shared flat account. It's pretty easy to use.
The only other thing I'd say is that I'd definitely recommend flatting people you know, or at least one person that you know.
Enjoy your last meal. Food costs ...
Enjoy your last meal.
Food costs alot.
I moved outta home over ten years ago and have lived on soup and discount meat ever since.... yum. Sigh.
only thing i can think of is remeber ...
only thing i can think of is
remeber to take the rubbish out regularly. . .our flat got maggots recently, because we left a rubbish bag or 2 in the laundry for a couple of weeks.... i thought they were pretty cool, but the other guys didn't...
The furthest I've lived away from home ...
The furthest I've lived away from home was in a tent at the bottom of the garden for a few hours - I got into an argument with my parents once when I was small (can't remember over what, exactly), and threatened to leave home. Well, a mandarin tree in the backyard was as far as I got. I took some biscuits with me. I figured I'd rely on my Mum for a change of clothing each morning - but I didn't get that far.
Live with people who are slightly ...
Live with people who are slightly tidier than you.
Cancel the wire maintenance charge on your phone account (fixing the phone line is your landlord's problem).
Ummm, I don't know. I was hella keen to leave town, and pretty sick of living with my parents, so I didn't look back. I wrote a letter home once a week (my parents did have email waaaay back then)...
Wednesday morning at five o'clock as ...
Wednesday morning at five o'clock as the day begins
Silently closing her bedroom door
Leaving the note that she hoped would say more
She goes downstairs to the kitchen clutching her hankerchief
Quietly turning the backdoor key
Stepping outside she is free.
She (We gave her most of our lives)
Is leaving (Sacrificed most of our lives)
Home (We gave her everything money could buy)
She's leaving home after living alone
For so many years. Bye, bye
Father snores as his wife gets into her dressing gown
Picks up the letter that's lying there
Standing alone at the top of the stairs
She breaks down and cries to her husband
Daddy our baby's gone.
Why would she treat us so thoughtlessly
How could she do this to me.
She (We never thought of ourselves)
Is leaving (Never a thought for ourselves)
Home (We struggled hard all our lives to get by)
She's leaving home after living alone
For so many years. Bye, bye
Friday morning at nine o'clock she is far away
Waiting to keep the appointment she made
Meeting a man from the motor trade.
She (What did we do that was wrong?)
Is having (We didn't know it was wrong)
Fun (Fun is the one thing that money can't buy)
Something inside that was always denied
For so many years. Bye, bye
She's leaving home. Bye, bye
about bloody time says father to mother ...
about bloody time says father to mother as she walks out the door
don't be bringing your dirty washing here either yells mother
now they are alone . . . . .
yay they can finally walk around naked again
and root in the kitchen, lounge, dining room, laundry, her old room . . . .
Paul will be very pleased, neither of ...
Paul will be very pleased, neither of them could remember the words to the bridge after their huge gunja session, don't worry I'll forward it on immediately.
I want to hear more love for the Billy ...
I want to hear more love for the Billy Bragg/Kirsty McColl cover...
Awww... (Bragg and Kirsty do an OK ...
Awww...
(Bragg and Kirsty do an OK version, though I like the Beatles one better - quirkier production, and John and Paul's duet)
Bye bye ;)
Make sure the place you move into, has ...
Make sure the place you move into, has people that won't just suddenly leave, leaving you to find replacements, and dealing with the landlord.
whatever you do don't live with your ...
whatever you do don't live with your closest friends. Better to live with associates rather than people you like a lot. You'll otherwise soon hate them and their annoying wee habits. Whereas associates (provided they aren't totally psycho) turn out to be better to deal with without harming your friendship with them
you can live with friend and not get ...
you can live with friend and not get annoyed with them. the trick is to also live with someone who really annoys you. then you spend all your hate time battling them.
Or be fussy about *which* friends you ...
Or be fussy about *which* friends you live with. I've lived with one of my better friends for just over 3 years with no harm done, but other of my friends I haven't lived with and haven't contemplated living with. We did have a trial arrangment for a couple of months the year beforehand so we kinda knew it would work.
I lived with my sister for quite a ...
I lived with my sister for quite a while. It actually was pretty cool, but then we split up : (
My brother camped out with me for a ...
My brother camped out with me for a while. He became a talented salad maker, but didn't like how much he was spending on food.
I learnt how to make salads....I did it ...
I learnt how to make salads....I did it ALL the time :s
I Lived at the CIT for about 6 months ...
I Lived at the CIT for about 6 months back in 98, I Found that on a budget of $160 p/w i only had $20 left (the rent included power and 3 meals a day) I Only had enough for smokes and beer. It wasnt the emotional issues that concerned me - just the money. So i ropped outta tech, got a job and moved back in with my folks where i still am hopefully for a few more weeks.
/Anyone have any stories, or tips to ...
/Anyone have any stories, or tips to make the move as easy as possible?
In terms of finding it emotional?
Don't move too far away that it becomes a major mission to visit the olds.
Otherwise.
Try to keep some kind of schedule re, keeping place tidy.
Always keep money seperate to pay bills.
Flat with people who aren't going to blow all their bill paying money on P and ignore warning letters from power/ phone/ ISP.....
Expect to get to know some people better than you did before, can be both good and bad.
No anecdotes on this one, will get back ...
No anecdotes on this one, will get back to people and they won't be happy.
*Don't sign a fixed-term ...
*Don't sign a fixed-term tenancy
*Don't sleep with your flatmates
*Don't give sole authority of the flat account to just one person, there teh only thing betwen them and stealing the rent is integrity and honesty (which can be precious in these troubled times).
*Your parents don't mind if you steal their food now, they're just so pleased to have you home for a visit.
If you must sleep with your flatmates ...
If you must sleep with your flatmates (because hey, it happens. A lot.), make sure that you only do the ones who are lower down on the power scale than you, so if you get bored of them you can throw them out. Don't ever pick flatmates that you think you could fall in love with though.
and if you do sleep with one of them, ...
and if you do sleep with one of them, don't try and hide it from your other flatmates, trust me, they already know.
Dont flat with Emerald ...
Dont flat with Emerald Greeen....
*smirk*
just kiddin Mel!
'in limbo .. i want a pie.. it's ...
'in limbo .. i want a pie.. it's smokey in here... in limbo... i want a pie .. it's sm........."
//'in limbo .. i want a pie.. it's ...
//'in limbo .. i want a pie.. it's smokey in here... in limbo... i want a pie .. it's sm........."
Well it's not smokey in venues anymore, hah..... but I'll never say no to some good pie guts.
And you can't complain about "In Limbo" anymore either because I finished mixing that song ages ago.... you do however have to put up with all my new songs being played over and over and over and over and over until I'm happy with the mix.... it's a much more complex process than "playing other peoples music" aye DJ Geekboy, haha.
ps. internet hogger....... now it's MY time online.
the stereo i monitor all my music ...
the stereo i monitor all my music production on can run speakers and headphones simultaneously, and on more than one occasion i've pulled my headphones off at 3 or 4am, only to realise the speakers have been blasting out for most of the night while the other not so musically-minded flatmates are trying to sleep....
however....
most flat problems can be solved with the preparation of a decent meal for the other flatmates
Disasteradio found some speakers at the ...
Disasteradio found some speakers at the November A Low Hum gig and that's what I use now =D
I never forget that they're on because they're always making a kind of low humming noise (get it? haha)
//most flat problems can be solved with the preparation of a decent meal for the other flatmates.
Yeah, I'll boil the jug for his 2 minute noodles.... ahahhaha
>>it's a much more complex process ...
>>it's a much more complex process than "playing other peoples music" aye DJ Geekboy, haha.
Well.. at least I dont PRETEND that it's 'original'
*smirk*
hehehehe
//I never forget that they're on ...
//I never forget that they're on because they're always making a kind of low humming noise (get it? haha)
that low humming is just the tumbleweeds rolling past......
//that low humming is just the ...
//that low humming is just the tumbleweeds rolling past......
I know that the joke was bad, but tumbleweed!!!!
Somebody out there may have laughed for a moment or two.
//Well.. at least I dont PRETEND that ...
//Well.. at least I dont PRETEND that it's 'original'
*smirk*
hehehehe
If I post my extremely witty reply on here, you're gonna beat me up.... so I'll keep it to myself, for now.
By the way, it's your turn to empty the dishwasher.
Be safe (seriously) and don't forget ...
Be safe (seriously) and don't forget to call your mum at least once a month they like that kind of thing.
its been 5 years and my mum still calls ...
its been 5 years and my mum still calls once a week, its kind of nice though, cause they always tell me that they'll help me out if i need anything, even though they are in auckland and I'm in chch. Its just nice to hear it every once in a while.
Be confident that you know what you're ...
Be confident that you know what you're doing .. and remember, if ii all turns to custard, the loving (sometimes smothing) parental support is only a phone call away
Make sure any boys you choose to flat with have a decent level of personal hygenie! Found that out the icky way :o(
If you're moving into an existing ...
If you're moving into an existing flat, ask them what kind of cleaning roster they have, and if it works. If a flat that has post-it notes stuck up saying things like "DO YOUR (insert profanity of choice) DISHES!" leave immediately. Also, don't be that person that sticks up post-its.
Similarly, take a good look at the kind of messages left up on the communal whiteboard. Phone messages = good, complaints about domestic hygiene = bad.
In my experience, disputes over dishes have always been the single biggest factor in flat dischord. If you don't like doing dishes, find a place with a dishwasher. Sneak a look for any large piles of dishes not only in the kitchen, but also in the existing flatties' rooms.
Don't flat with couples - if you get on the wrong side of one of them, you're instantly on the wrong side of both. That is, unless they're over 60. Retired couples will insist on feeding you.
oh yeah. The current couple I live with ...
oh yeah. The current couple I live with lie to leave notes about things they are annoyed with from time to time. I think they fail to realise that leaving notes is more annoying than telling you face to face, cause notes just make me want to do whatever it is more.
flat meetings! try not to be the nazi ...
flat meetings! try not to be the nazi who can't compromise.
Moving out is pretty hard. Just be ...
Moving out is pretty hard. Just be prepared to go through a huge learning curve. There are plenty of horror flat storied about and things do turn to crap. In those times its best to remember that you are not stuck in the flat. Never feel like you are bound to stay. Even if you have signed a lease there are ways out (usually all you need to do is find a replacement flatmate to take your place, sometimes the landlord will even do this for you). The tenancy tribunal is your best friend (unless you are a shit tenant). They can give you advice on anything to do with flats and act as a mediator if things go wrong.
But for every horror story there are those magic moments that can make flatting an incredible experience: like the drunken parties where you wake up the next day and there is some yummy person sleeping naked next to you, creating yet another masterly meal with mince and having your best mate compliment you on your culinary skills, finding someone's hidden stash in the ceiling (drugs or porn).
Have fun!!
...oh, wear and tear is the landlord's ...
...oh, wear and tear is the landlord's problem, but if you see an odd mouldy patch anywhere in the bathroom walls, or a tap starts leaking, or toadstools suddenly start sprouting from the windowsill, tell the landlord straight away - call and write. Doesn't matter if they do anything about it or not, but if you don't tell them immediately then you're liable for any cumulative damage. First-hand experience.
oooh ooh i've had issues with that ...
oooh ooh i've had issues with that too....only, we told the landlord through a letter, and a call. Yet, a week later, he came around for a 'visit' and bitched at us for 'not telling' him about it!
He was an idiot...
We knew he got the letter, because he said so in the phone convo
Ah, in my case it was all our fault. ...
Ah, in my case it was all our fault. We left a leaky plughole for months, thinking that the mouldy patch was just damp Wellington for you. After we moved out I think the landlord had to replace an entire wall. Suffice it to say we didn't get our bond back.
totally off topic, but...are you going ...
totally off topic, but...are you going to the BDO this year Heather?
NEVER EVER flat with other people - My ...
NEVER EVER flat with other people - My cousin learnt this the hard way. when chosing a flat go for a 1 b/room, even if you think flatmates keep the rent down, the full price is a small price to pay for not having a nazi-dictator flatmate getting at you for the smallest of things.
And whatever you do, NEVER EVER ...
And whatever you do, NEVER EVER experience real life.
It's a big bad world out there, and I ...
It's a big bad world out there, and I would suggest the following:
If you can, take your time to find a good location for yourself, and a decent place. Nothing worse than rushing into something just because you have to.
Make sure you know what the deal is with payment of food/utilities etc. (has been discussed above), some flats split utilities etc but cook/buy food individually - good to know these things. Also know the deal with domestic chores - this has caused huge ruckuses in some of my old flats.
If you do end up "seeing" one of your flatmates - make sure you're prepared for a shift in flat dynamics, because it will change no matter what.
It is a bit scary living with people you know or with total strangers - you never know what their habits are until you start living with them anyway, sometimes you just have to go with the flow.
Flatting can be incredibly rewarding, meeting new people and some of my best friends are old flatmates, and some of the best life stories revolve around flatting!!!!
Good luck!!!
I'm planning to move out after I ...
I'm planning to move out after I finished my course. Probably next year. It's a tough world out there so even though my parents are annoying I have to maintain my cool.
Most people who leave home don't use ...
Most people who leave home don't use removal companies because they usually get family and friends to help. But if you do end up using a moving company, best get them to do the shift on a weekday, because on weekends they are notoriously late because everyone moves on weekends!
The other thing is you should probably consider using something like flataccount.com to manage your flat expenses rather than getting a flat account. One flat I was in, one of the flatmates tried to do a runner with the flat money. I use flataccount.com in my flat at the moment and works a treat. You basically pay for expenses yourself and flataccount.com works out who owes what, so you don't have a shared flat account. It's pretty easy to use.
The only other thing I'd say is that I'd definitely recommend flatting people you know, or at least one person that you know.