NZ Ent Awards/Aly Cook/Sparky's Cosmic Journey

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that is so bogus

really.....why?

i say it's bogus cos the nominees are a joke... usually these "awards" things are saturated with the usual flavour of the year - and there's some of that going on - to be expected - but the rest just look some random peeps have stumbled across a deserted wwards opportunity and have craftily nominated themselves cos it looks like nobody else has bothered...

a twist on the 1st come 1st served...

not that i'm saying your folks nomination is bogus - but looks to me like you just joined NZMUSIC (jth of jan 05) so you could run this thread about getting us of all to vote for your buddies

welcome aboard by the way - and good luck =)

First off ed...I really want to thank you for replying!
It shows that you're someone who stands behind what they say/believe in, and you're not just making some flippant comment! I really respect you for that! Very cool...
I understand your reaction though...and though I'm personally not really the kind of person to get carried away with the significance of an award, I just want the very best for a friend of mine.
You should also know that I'm not a local...I came here initially to spread the word on a local music board about a local artist that is in the running for a local award. Since then however, I've come to appreciate more about this site from reading many other posts...and have come to appreciate what locals here think of their music community compared to the world at large. Hopefully, one day it won't become an issue. Aly is someone who's been quite aware of it's limitations for many years! In fact, she's currently trying to change the stodgy old ways of the broadcasting industry here and now in NZ by trying to get them to give more airplay to indies.
I've really only gotten to know Aly through other music sites like www.indiehangout.com and www.artistlaunch.com for example. I have music of my own at several sites around the world. Thanks to the Internet, music is slowly becoming more and more "global". It's also breaking down trends set by large record companies. One thing I've become aware of is how much "older" artists find new life with a "new" larger listening audience! They are in their prime with years of experience behind them and no longer have to try and get listeners by subscribing to "trends" set by large record companies.
Thanks to thoughtful (and polite) input by people like yourself, I do plan to hang around here and speak out when it's called for! I really enjoyed reading you take on things.

Hey Ed, I DL'ed the Exiles - "Hear the People" vid. Very cool! :-)

I know rap or hip hop seems to be your preference, but check out Aly's vid at mms://67.19.53.212/media/windowsmedia/AlyCook/I%20WONDER2.wmv
I'm a fan giving a "shout out"...nothing wrong with that is there?

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LOL - rap & hip-hop are definately NOT my preference... =)

they're just the only peeps putting their money where their mouth is these days

if you take another looksee at the list of vids on my site you fill find only 3 out of 26 are that way inclined

cheers for checking out the exiles tho! - quite proud of that one =)

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Yeah..lol! I'm guilty of jumping the gun on that conclusion!
I have a dial-up connection, and it takes FOREVER to download clips!
I'll be back to your site to check out the other ones when i have time!
I've saved it in my "favs". Thanks for letting me know ed.

i checked out that vid d/l link... do you mind if i give it a little constructive whatchamacallit?

it's a bit pedestrian (like the song) / sort of *yawn* easy listening

couple of nice fx with the sky above the waterfall / the ghost by the shed... you should develop that stuff - take me on a journey - otherwise my attention wanes

your framing / exposures were great - i didn't notice any ZOOM action - which is a good thing =) so you've got heaps of potential

the singer didn't seem to be too comfortable in front of the camera - no eye contact - she's gorgeous tho' and talented - so with a better song - and some more confidence she could maybe edge in there between brooke fraser and bic runga (lol) nah seriously - if she's serious she needs to watch herself in this vid and think how she could be more natural / warm / engaging - charismatic?

whole thing has a christian sort of vibe to it *shivers* god forgive me if i'm right (lol)

my advice (based purely pn my own taste)

shoot more footage on the day - keep at it until the singer is totally comfortable - cos you wanna capture the character of the person - not the aura of discomfort / false front

if they can't look straight into the lens that's ok - but make sure whereever they are looking looks "right" - i guess she ain't that bad - but something's missing ya know?

in the edit try and not interrupt a shot with a cut unless you really have to / intended to - looks like you had 5 locaitons then just cut them all together with little thought

your locations were great - but once you'd cut to them 6 times each then you've milked em dry...

your fx shots were a bit random / not building to any kind of revelation or climax

this sort of video is good as wallpaper on a tourism channel - nice locaiton / pleasant song / attractive lady - i reckon HB TV would pick it up - even rotorua TV? any other provincial areas with their own channels? CTV?

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you're miles ahead of all the peeps out there who're all talk and no action - do you do weddings too?

ed...I'll pass your feedback onto Aly.
I think there may have been some reasons for it being in a "tourist" type theme. I believe (not sure) that since it was partly funded by a grant, it had to meet certain criteria...part of that being that it had to be shot in a local outdoor environment.
I've heard of another shoot that I believe have her look more at the camera, but for certain reasons (diiferent director) it couldn't be used.
No Christian theme that I'm aware of! lol!
Thanks for your feedback ed...you seem to have a knack for directing!

I thought my ears were ringing ?

You boys have been having a grand ol chat about me in here.. Troll im not sure who you are, but obviously a fan and thank you for your support and nice comments..most appreciated !

Firstly I believe the awards voting closed on 31st of December... I didnt nominate myself but I do know thousands of fans have voted for me from round the world. Obviously Troll your not from NZ ... go back to AL or indie hangout love, its much more of a supportive community there..

This is NZ sweetheart and people don't praise each other ... they knock each other into the ground ! Praising someone in NZ is seen as blowing hot air up there %&*# ! This place lives on Biggest Tall Poppy Syndrome you will find on the entire planet ! Only the tough survive ! However thats how come there is only 4 million here and so many success stories in all walks of life.

Take note Troll of how you found you had to ask in a post was it alright to be a fan and sing your artists praises here ? You wouldnt find yourself doing that in a global communtity site !

I dont really visit this site much as my genre of music is not so supported here ! thought the people that run it seem nice and its good for genres it does support !!

To my video and mine and the directors choice to have little eye contact in this one, was our choice to portray a little aloofness...!! Yes it has spiritual nature to it, im not necessarily a Christian though.. but there is a message within the song !

As to the director producers skill.. How many qantas media awards do you have under your belt Ed ? The director of my vid has 3 and works in TV all day ! For the budget we had I thought he did well ... you notice NO NZOA logo on it .... Apart from the no money side of it ..I like it that way, people are searching me out and dont think im from NZ ... no I dont think im like Bic or Brooke.. though I wouldnt mind there recording budgets !!

Daniel at Juice doesnt seem to have a problem with my clip ... infact the clip is playing at least a couple of times a day on J2 along with several stations in the US !

I have done a few videos in my time the last one ended up on MTVEurope...... oh slap my butt, Im blowing hot air up my own arse now and that will never dooo... as Thomas would say !

As to my discomfort...........Maybe the fact that it was freezing and the sand flys at Maruia springs have steel cap boots on there feet might have not been grand at the time but really ..mate Im very comfortable with my song I could sing it on my head with one arm up my back.... infact I was probably singing Radio station IDs, singin my arse of in bars and recording sessions whilst your mummy was wipin your butt while you were singing mary had a little lamb on the changing table !!

Anyway Im in the middle of editing a synicated FM radio show and out of the 5000 hits a month my site gets .... none of them ever link from here .. so im gone again !

No ... I dont do weddings .. but maybe you will be, in another 10 years ..lol

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Wow that was pretty agressive.

//How many qantas media awards do you have under your belt Ed ? The director of my vid has 3 and works in TV all day !

Ummm...yeah, a bit defensive there. I suspect ed would count his lack of qantas media awards to his credit...Aly, perhaps you ought to check out ed's website & find out whether he's just another random spotty-faced adolescent hater, or if he's actually trying to offer some genuinely helpful suggestions.

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I thought some of Ed's comments were a bit snide myself.

(shrug) I just think Aly overreacted. She was even a little rude to the guy that was sticking up for her. No biggie. With some of ed's past posts in mind I thought he must've gone on happy pills for the week.

OK .. it was 2.30 in the morning and It was brought to my attention, by a fan that someone was trashing my artistic work here on a thread .. so I called over to see what was being said !

Yes yes I checked Eds site and its a matter of opinion I guess ! .. he obviously makes a few good vids himself... he was the one throwing swords at my work and my fans nice comments in the beginning .. I just finished it !

I take offence to his comment that I look uncomfortable in my performance. Everytime I open my mouth and perform, I put my heart and soul into every second of it, I always have ! Infact the black n white shots taken in Alan Jansson's studio in the vid are me actually performing the track...and I was relaxed and giving my best, both in those shots and the rest !

As to all the other stuff with regards to the difference in our culture in the way we treat our artists with the knocking machine.. well I stand by every word on that one! I can tell you living in coastal Tasman that im surrounded by wealthy successful immigrants and most of them I talk too, cannot believe the tall poppy thread in our society, its something they never warn them about in immigration documents.. I was simply letting Troll know that we have that element here ... because people outside of here really dont understand it when they encounter it ! The best approach with it .. is to throw it straight back I find !

It just annoys me that one of my fans found here through a search or whatever and said something nice, only to have some kiwi, that has no idea about what I do... slam my fan's comment as bogus, slam my video director "Do you do weddings too" THAT is a snide nasty arse little comment, that deserved a bit of aggression :)

Its hard enough building an established fan base without people sabotaging the kindness of a thoughtful fan doing something they think is helpful for an artist they beleive in !

Its like I get shit for self promotion here in NZ, whereas I'm praised for that work outside NZ. I only do my own promotion as I dont have a label, so now I have my own label and im helping 3 other artists to get some action as well ! I'm joining them up with an overseas OMD Artist launch presently, so that they can enjoy a freindly Supportive community and the airplay in the US that my own track is getting as part of "The Artist Launch Hour" on dozens of US and Canadian FM stations. I'm also following suit and doing that here with my own FM Radio show on FRESH FM which im now syndicating to other stations ... so im trying to help other artists as well !

Speaking of which I better get back into the editing ...
/uploading etc..

Sorry if I caused offence... im just a bit of a staunch, accept no shit, take no prisoners sort of girl.. One thing you need in this business is tenacity, the other is thick skin !

All the best

Aly :)

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Im sorry I did just go look back over ed's post and its like hes giving my fan a critic about what he should have done in the video shoot... well .....wel my fan didnt have anything to do with the makin of the vid and those comments I guess are for my video director.. whom never asked for them in the first place !

I guess ed you did say some nice things about me and I should say thank you for that ! So I do Thank you :)

but understand this clip was done on a big fat 0 budget with little time !

I gave the best performance I could give under those conditions....

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ALY! you're welcome =) thanks for re-reading my post and seeing i'm no hater ;]

btw.. i said "between" bic and brooke - not suggesting you'd replace them =)

qantas can kiss my * =)

i said exactly what i would'a said to one of my students back when i was tutoring EIT video course

all the smoke up eachothers *'s is like a little brush fire of misunderstandings and nose-outta-joints... =) just like 98% of this site... it gets a mite passionate round here at times - especially with mis-read posts... the subtelties constructive criticsim vs slagging perhaps? amazing how low people go tho

yeah i guess *yawn* could be construed as snide... oops *yawn x2*

ps. =) great to hear the vid's on j2 etc - & i hope it wins more qantas awards for the director =)

Did someone have a sale on soapboxes?

I'll never ever ever stop being slightly put off a performer who says criticism of their work is a factor of Tall Ploppy Syndrome. Work that is in an 'award' list needs to stand up or pull out.

NZers aren't dumb. We have a voice, and an opinion. People who'd like us to be more like the dumb mainstream homogenous accepting masses around the world, busy lapping up the cheese can kiss my raisin.

To start raving about what this site is etc etc gets me slightly awake. Unsupportive community my arse.

Actually Ed and Aly are an interesting match. How fuckin minor is this whole little thing?

Ed's original comment was the most on the money surely. Its clearly a bogus radio award list. Anyone supporting emerging talent in NZ knows this.

Sure the video was unnecesarrily critiqued, but hey, Ed's a video wanker. They're all like that! Ahaha. Still doesn't mean he ain't correct.

Better bands have been bitchslapped more than this and never do they come on all 'knocking machine' on it. You can't have it all warm fuzzies. Read NME or something then you'll know a good bitchslapping.

Damn now I'm the proud owner of another soapbox.

and fuck support. support is groupies and undies.

Self Critism of New Zealand Arts and Music... is what builds it to be the best it is.. but Tall Poppy is rife and anyone whos come up through the music industry and says they have not come up against it is lying ! Or hasnt been in it long !

Im not blaming tall poppy for anything !.. I was simply explaining it as in NZ ... its right through society on all levels and people from other countries are often unaware of it and are shocked when they come across it !

The beginning of the whole subject was the XlR8r awards... I dont really know that much about it other than ive been nominated, so I included it in the publicity andI know hundreds of fans have voted for me there most of them from outside of NZ ....some of them from NZ.

Like I said .. the people who run this site are nice ! :) ...Youve been very supportive to me in the past.. BUT Its not really a site that super supportive community to the genre of music im in ! Your demographic is different here to the market that is buying my music now.

Like I said for the genres of the artists who are very active within your community here. This is a great site !

Just like my clip is playing on J2.. but its not really right for Juice !

I apologise for any offence taken dust. I know you work very hard and you have a great site !

Happy New Year and warmest regards

Aly

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No offence taken. My only disagreement is on TPS. I think its a hoax, no really I do.

You just keep doing what you believe in - thats all we want.

Leave the bitching to us web nerdy geek swat-bloggeries.

(and this site, well it just is. just is.)

dust sorry to interrupt the ranting ;)

but is there any chance of my email to the store being replied to soon?

ummm...me also... no pressure... ;)

pressure

ahhhhhhh... what emails? both of you.

noizy did you get mine?

(starting to wonder if my email eez gone all wiggy)

I've sent it again, it's about indie sales on NZM Store

Ahh. Well nothing thru yet.

But yes do it - indies work very well. The Jakob one (amongst many others) has been a topseller for sometime...

Fastest way - ring Teina. Namedrop me - she won't bite.

But phone calls are so hardcore and toll call-y.

Not in any great hurry, someone needs to fix their email ;)

It was just getting ideas on the standard needed for music/packaging etc.