something iv been thinking about, thought someone could maybve help me out:
when is the time to *start* your future?
for instance, iv just quit school after 6th form. i just decided that i want to join the army next year, in infantry or as a field engineer. or something. simply because i think it would be an interesting thing to do for a few years.
however, this is a procrastination on my way to being well everything else i want to do, ie acting fashion design leadguitarist etc.
is the army a waste of time? when should you start properly on your *master plan* ?
im lost. please help me!!!
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i just realised that some things i said ...
i just realised that some things i said dint make sense, i dont really need anyone else to say so as well thanks... :)
For some careers there is a used by ...
For some careers there is a used by date, and for others there isnt. If you really want to spend some time in the army then do it while you're young because it isn't an option that will always be available to you.
Also its the one thing you said you want to do, the others were kinda listed as a this or that or maybe that. When you have one thing you know you want to do and a bunch of maybes then you should probably do the army thing now and it will give you some time to decide on the others. Things like acting, playing guitar or fashion design are also the sorts of things you can do while you have a career to some degree. Spend some time on all of them while in the Army (I assume you'd get some free time?) and if you really enjoy any or if a good opportunity comes along you can leave the army to persue it.
well those things were all things i ...
well those things were all things i reall really wanna do, my main goals if you will.
the army just popped into my head last night, and i think it sounds like fun. sounds like another famous Manical impulse decision. i think il get fit and join!
cheers
it's all fun and games till about 22. ...
it's all fun and games till about 22. Enjoy it, these are the golden years. Did you get any qualifications? If not then go back to school and get your Uni entrance, it may not sound very inviting but you'll regret it later if you don't
Also, maniac, if you find yourself ...
Also, maniac, if you find yourself around 24 thinking that you've got life figured out, do everyone a favour and shut your mouth.
Or let the army train you, let them ...
Or let the army train you, let them foot the bill. I used to play in a band with a guy who spent 7 years in the navy. He used his time to gain electrical engineering qualifications so when he joined the civilian world he found a well paying job fixing coffee machines.
Personally I wouldn't be too keen joining the armed forces (though I was a groundsman at Whenuapai airbase for 3 months when I was 18) but if you join up don't just become cannon fodder, let them train you up for a well paying civvie career.
Be careful about this... I can't tell ...
Be careful about this... I can't tell you how many friends I have who thought the very same thing who now find themselves in a bunker in Iraq.
It never ceases to amaze me that people ...
It never ceases to amaze me that people join the armed forces and are then surprised to find that they are expected to go into a war zone.
True enough. Its all fun and games ...
True enough. Its all fun and games until someone gets hurt.
Think very very carefully about the ...
Think very very carefully about the army. I've had a number of female friends go through the armed forces, and I think it's changed all of them, in some ways for the better, and in some ways for the worse. The army is probably the most hardcore of the services, and (anecdotally) the one where women have the roughest time. I think it'll shatter any ideas you might have about any sort of rights to privacy. That said, it will probably imbue you with a sense of discipline, organisation, and self-confidence, but I think at a loss of kind of lateral thinking.
Going back to study after you've been working full time is pretty hardcore as well. Getting away from minimum wage work is pretty nice though.
yeah my selfdiscipline and organisation ...
yeah my selfdiscipline and organisation skills are rather lacking il admit....
again, thanks guys, this is helpful. im starting to almost have secong thoughts ALMOST. and if i joined aparently id have to either grow my fringe out or cut it? :s
Yeah probably. You might also (this is ...
Yeah probably. You might also (this is second hand info) have to get used to guys watching you pee while in the great outdoors etc.
Not so sure that the Infantry or ...
Not so sure that the Infantry or Engineers are a viable option in the Army for women. It has been a while but as best as I can remember the Rifleman and Field Engineer trades are not usually open to women (rightly or wrongly.) Things may have changed since I left the Army though.
HAving said that there are plenty of other options, depending on what you want to do. I suggest you have a look at the Army's website (see below) abd get an idea of the various trade options.
[ http://www.army.mil.nz ]
I don't think women are allowed to be ...
I don't think women are allowed to be combat soldiers, well not front line at least, so I think that takes the infantry option away. Ever thought about becoming an army cook/chief? because after your three year term (or whatever length you serve) you will be a trained chief, or on your way to becoming a trained chief. While becoming a member of the combat team would give you something and you'd be giving something back to NZ, but when you leave its probably not going to give you such an option as leaving as a chief.
You can get similar chefing training ...
You can get similar chefing training through the navy, and as long as you can fend off the advances while at sea, I believe it's a little more convivial to women. Also, a friend who was in the navy had HEAPS of spare time doing jack shit but getting paid for it. Like days of being on duty but nothing to do, so you can either nap or study or do something else if you're motivated.
but at the end of the day they can ...
but at the end of the day they can leave and step into a job or take on further training no problem.
also the navy, if you can handle the up and down up and down, and rocking.. then fine, at least in the army you wont get sea sick :)
yeap you can stu...my cousin was saying ...
yeap you can stu...my cousin was saying that there are a few chicks in infantry, but they have to trick chicks to get into it. field engineering shuld be ok for chicks surely?
i dont wanna be frontline and i dont wanna hafta shoot anyone of course, i was thinking peacekeeping, altho i not naive anough to think id never hafta shoot...
i love boats. in fact me n some of my ...
i love boats. in fact me n some of my mates have planned on being 'pirates' for a few years, so the navy........hmmmmm........hafta admit i hadnt thought of that.......
chef? *ahem* i hope you were joking i want to do something thatl actually make a difference, and be exciting, not cook...
Look at the Navy option, I spent just ...
Look at the Navy option, I spent just over 3 years in the NZ navy as a medic .. some time ago .. about 16 years ago infact ... but once past the basic training, it's one of the best careers you'll ever find, you make the best mates ever, I went back to NZ 3 years ago and caught up with a few mates, one of them's still in .. the basic training isn't a walk in the park, hard but fair, and a real testing ground for you, just to see how far you can push yourself... it also, once past all that offers you training in various fields which you can take out to Civie street .. I think the navy medical branch does civilian qualifications now .. you can make a difference while working in the navy, and again when your out, and in many cases the navy medics are more than just a run of the mill nurse... also someone mentioned your spare time .. you get heaps of time, so you can do a course outside of the navy too ... really you should look into it .. check out their website.
//yeap you can stu...my cousin was ...
//yeap you can stu...my cousin was saying that there are a few chicks in infantry, but they have to trick chicks to get into it. field engineering shuld be ok for chicks surely?//
I guess that there have been a "few chicks in infantry" but I would be extremely surprised if they were in fact riflemen. More than likely to be clerks or storemen. As for FE's these are considered a combat trade and in the past these trades were not open to females. I never actually understood the attraction of joining the army to dig holes and fill them in again. Though the blowing things up is always good fun!
I guess it depends on what you want out of the army in the end; if you are just looking to fill in a few years while you make up your mind what you really want to do then the army could give you the opportunity to learn some useful skills and, if you have the right attitude, provide you with a good foundation for your future.
I joined the army planning on hanging around for no more than 5 years. As it happens I completed 20 years service before I pulled the pin. It is not for everyone, but it certainly worked for me.
//i want to do something thatl actually ...
//i want to do something thatl actually make a difference, and be exciting, not cook... //
But an army marches on it's stomach. Crap food is a guarantee of poor morale. Good cooks certainly make a difference in the armed forces.
I was a well known figure in the galley ...
I was a well known figure in the galley ..!! ( kitchen ) I used to go over about 10 in the morning .. after having had breakfast .. and get filling for rolls .. which I would eat before lunch, then hold off till dinner and have two deserts .. mind you I was alot more active in those days .. still eat abit now, but not so active ..lol ..!! .. but it is a great life .. the only reason I left was .. beleive it or not, was I wanted to travel .. as a medic you only really got to sea one out of every 3 or so years .. and I was younger and more impatient, and I came out just before my sea posting as it goes, and came to London... still had a great 3 odd years though ..!! and yeah big stu, it suprises me too about people moaning about having to do their job .. while I was in they had the coup in Fiji .. I missed out going on the Monowai, I was duty at tamaki, but no one asked me .. !! and the people who said they didn't really want to go ( but did ) was surprising .. enough from me though this is NZmusic not forces memories ..
Brilliant!!! can it be dressup?...
Brilliant!!! can it be dressup?
screw the army!...
screw the army!
wait did somebody say 'pirates'?? ...
wait did somebody say 'pirates'?? come to uni next year and join the pirate club my mates are starting! rum and treasure hunts woohoo!
You're starting a pirate club? Woah! ...
You're starting a pirate club? Woah! Now may be a good time for me to go and do a Master's...
Don't do anything untill you have a ...
Don't do anything untill you have a good idea of what you want to do. I have friends who went to university and then after their first year were really hacked off they did, because they weren't sure of what they wanted to do anyway. Just make sure you look into what you want to do, find out lots of information, and then decide.
Or keep your options wide open. In your ...
Or keep your options wide open. In your first year at university you are often able to take the first year requirements for up to four different majors, and can still have the option of two different ones at second year. Thus, you don't necessarily have to put all your eggs in one basket. It is also worth noting that this is very different than polytech generally, where your course is your course. I have several friends who have spent 1-3 years of their lifes earning a practical qualification for which they now have no desire to use. And unlike something more theoretically oriented, the practical skills they learned aren't much use in another career. (e.g., a trained chef --> IT).
I turned 30 yesterday; I still have no ...
I turned 30 yesterday; I still have no master plan.
But I do know that if you're putting stuff off, there's usually a good reason for that. Get rid of all the "I wanna be..." dreams. Either start doing the stuff you want to do (no matter how crap you are when you first start), or move on to something that you really want to do.
Yay! I'm 30 and have no master plan ...
Yay! I'm 30 and have no master plan too!
In fact I never really did. My master plan consisted of enjoying myself and keeping my life balanced. So I work, read and play music and that pretty much keeps me happy.
Hey me too....
Hey me too.
The journey IS the destination, man......
The journey IS the destination, man...
my sister's in the army and she ...
my sister's in the army and she absolutely loves it. there's so many things you can do & you can study and they pay for everything. she told me the first 3 months of basic training is the hardest thing you will do for a very long time. if you can get through that the rest is almost like a 9 to 5 job. you gain heaps of skills & yeah there's the chance of going into a war zone but not everyone in the army does. but yeah as everyone else has said, keep your options open because there's so much you can do.
It's christmas! Here's something I ...
It's christmas! Here's something I learnt while working as a bar tender in Perth : Doing a shit job full-time will make you realise the value in working really hard to be able to do the thing(s) you want to do. In my case, I worked 10 - 12 hours a day in a bar, not a bad job sure, but it made me think "If I don't start working really hard towards the life I want, I'm going to end up doing a job like this indefinitely". Unfortunately, you can't say "I wanna play lead guitar", buy a guitar, play some scales for 30 minutes each day and expect someone to discover you and make you a successful musician. I'm sure this is also the case for being a designer, actress, whatever. In these desirable, supposedly glamorous industries, you have to commit your heart and soul (and time, and money......) to your dream, and do everything you can to make it happen. It's cool that you've got lots of different avenues you're interested in. I'd say if you've just finished school, it wouldn't hurt to work for a few months or even a year just doing whatever, retail or something. You'll make a bit of money and when you do decide what you want to study (if you do) you'll be really motivated.
Totally different topic, related to armed forces. I know three people who are all current or past members of the army or navy bands. (Two in army band, one in navy band). They get paid to get really good at their instrument. One is a drummer for the navy band and he is unbelievable, incredibly deep grooves, I guess from just playing for hours every day. If you're already a competent muso, this could be a good way to get much better, earn some cash and give yourself time to plan at the same time. They always seem to be advertising for guitar players too....Plus, you wouldn't have to kill anyone! That's a big plus!
I heard the Army band sends the ...
I heard the Army band sends the guitarist in ahead of the front line. On the plus side they get to play 'Voodoo Child' through a 40KW PA as they exit the trenches.
Is the Navy any good? Minus the ...
Is the Navy any good? Minus the homosexual tensions....
Homosexual tensions, are tensons ...
Homosexual tensions, are tensons homosexuals have, so not being one I wouldn't know how tense the Navy can be in that situation, but I can say once you get through the basic training which is 3 months it's a fantastic career, after branch training which is learning the basics of your trade within the Navy it's like having a normal job in many ways .. okay it's not for everyone, having spent a year or so at Tamaki ( the training base ) as a medic I know that for sure, but if your thinking about it and don't give it a go or at least have a good look at what it has to offer, you may just think back later in life and wonder why you didn't. Check out their website nznavy.com or something like that I'm sure... good luck.