Getting gear

ok, Bitching time . . .

I just received the Christmas 'special' mail-out think from the Rock Shop and it reminded just how hard (or expensive) it is to get decent music recording gear in good ol' NZ.

They had an M-Audio Audiophile Soundcard for NZ$949 ON SPECIAL!!! you can get that thing on ebay for US$150 DELIVERED TO YOUR DOOR. Thats a NZ$700 ish saving!!! And it's ON SPECIAL!!! barghhh!!!

that's not to mention that everything else there is twice the price of what it would be in say, the US or England, or even Australia. Sometimes it sucks to be a kiwi . . .

Anyone else feel my pain?

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dude, tell me about it. was that a firewire audiophile or what? I assume that's it's at least not the PCI one.

by the way, there's a guy selling e-mu stuff on trademe, check out the 1820M's specs: it's attracted quite a good rep: http://www.emu.com/products/product.asp?maincategory=754&category=754&pr...

even though the rockshop owns the distributors for e-mu, I doubt they have the sense to bring it in. uhm. I'm doing it again! retail shellshock almost a year on, sigh. lest we forget.

oh, how presumptous of me, looks like they have it in their catalogues after all..

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heres one on trademe for $500

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Yeah the Emu 1820M's nice man. I've heard bad things about the converters on the 0404 (apparently the same ones as the Sound Blaster - yuk), but from the 1212 upwards it's all honey and milk . . .

I hadn't seen the guy on trademe, but I am now frantically checking it out.

And as for the rock shop - I checked and tripled checked the mail-out: it IS the PCI card. Oh man . . . I just hope no poor sod gets sucked in by that deal

heh, don't knock it, I've done five albums and a demo with my sblive, and uh, I'm still using it. I'm going to get an 1820 as soon as I have the cash. (still don't after 6 months of trying, damn those thrift store and cashies impulse purchases, heh)

eventually we should have enough willing buyers to import a container load...

add me to the list...

talking of thrift stores, i got a tandy handheld baseball game yesterday, from 1981 ..

If your looking for good used equipment ( okay it's in English pounds ) .. check out our website, on the front it has a rather obvious tacky yellow and red bargin bucket lable type thing ... which we're rather ashamed of, but Simon our I.T bloke thinks adds a touch of class ... click on it and see what you think, there's not much on it at the moment as it's only a trial thing, and most of the stuff I think is somewhat old .. but in working order, our guys keep things in as good a condtion as is possible... some of the stuff like the studers or the sony would maybe good for a bigger studio, but other stuff maybe useful for a home set up .. I know it's expensive to ship things but if you just want to compare prices with Kiwi prices or maybe you know someone who's got the cash and is looking to buy you can point them in our direction. Website is www.airstudios.com and beleive me you can not miss that bloody sign !!!

hey mate, Can you just put that A800 aside for me please. The markIII. I know theres a debate about the transformers in the markI and II and the ICs in the III and IV's, but jesus-its a studer. I'll be up for lunch.

Anytime mate ..

not hard to get good recording gear but also hard to find good guitars, like real gibsons and fenders, we get such a shitty selection, i was told by a rock shop employee, that USA gets first pick them Australia gets thes hit they dont want then we get the stuff Aussie dont want, sucks to be bottom of the guitar food chain,

i want to visit an american guitar store they look awesome they have stores that soly sell one guitar brand like the ESP store is amazing ( i seen it in pictures)

but in NZ we really dont get a very good choice and then if they can bring a guitar in they have import it and it costs and extra arm and a leg to get it

Yeah .. I think Big-stu's right, it's a market demand thing, and NZ for all it's music loving populace doesn't have a big enough demand for alot of the manufactures to have reps or distributors based permanently in NZ .. especally in a specailist market like the music world .. in England gibson guitars alone sell in their tens of thousands let alone what other makes sell, where in new zealand .. and I don't know but would guess, sell maybe 5000 new guitars a year of all makes together, ( same goes for studio eqipment )... so fewer demands mean fewer choices as manufactures don't see a huge profit to be made ..

I import most of my gear myself....

good idea - how do you get the resources to import your own though? when you say 'import' do you mean 'buy off ebay' or what?

amendment to the rock shop thing: in the small print they actually throw in a Behringer UB802 mixer, and Steinberg Studiocase software, which ain't too bad I guess . . . I still think it could be got much cheaper on ebay.

nice website there at air studios - most of it's a bit out of my price range, but I wouln't mind the Sony 24-Track if I had the dosh . . . drool . . .

theres an awsome website for musical equipment, music123.com but it doesnt export overseas and it sucks coz theres a mint washburn flying V there all the dimebag signiture ragen guitars are on special too most have like 3 or 400 bucks knocked off the price (i would have thought the price would have gone up ?)

you simply contact distributors overseas and pay with a credit card.... mind you Ive had most of my gear a long time... but it was very expensive even then.... nice big rig though.... grins

^^^^ you could agrue though if there was a better selection maybe they would sell more,

i dont know though just a thought,

Yep, it is very frustrating trying to find the gear you want in NZ. But you need to remember that, internationally speaking, we are a very small market. With a population of around 4 million we are not a lot bigger than a smallish city. (Melbourne, for example has a population of around 3 million) So distributors here cannot rely on bulk purchasing to get better ex-factory costs. And being at the end of the world, so to speak, means that shipping charges are also going to be higher.

At least Fender has an NZ distributor (www.direct-imports.co.nz) Gibson and Rickenbacker the "NZ" distributor is Aussie based. In the case of Rickenbacker this means we very rarely see any new Rickys available in the shops. Mainly because the distributor can't get enough product to meet the local Aussie demand let alone try to service the NZ market. And it is not possible to import yourself by going to a US distributor as RIC does not allow their distributors to sell to countries which have an official distributor.

Importing gear yourself can be an option if you know exactly what you want but you need to remember that you will more than likely still be stung for GST when the goods arrive in country and depending on shipping costs and exchange rates it may not be worthwhile financially speaking. Another downside is that it is not possible to try before you buy unless you are actually travelling to the source. I would think for something that needs to "fit" you like a guitar should this can be a real disadvantage.

Also, while e-bay, and even trade-me in NZ, can be a source of bargains you need to keep in mind that there are plenty of crooks out there. And the auction nature of these sales means you could well end up paying more than neccesary for something. I have seen a second-hand Ricky 4003 bass go on trade-me for over 3.5k. It wasn't a particularly rare or special Ricky (though all Rickys are special). Given that when you do see them in stores you can pick up a second-hand Ricky bass for around 2k this was a pretty high premium to pay for the dubious privilege of purchasing something that the buyer did not have the opportunity to inspect prior to purchase.

Heh a friend of mine picked up a Ricky Bass off trademe for just over $800 so there are some great deals out there - you've just gotta hunt for them a bit - but thats half the fun right? :-)

// heh, don't knock it, I've done five albums and a demo with my sblive, and uh, I'm still using it.

so am I my friend, so am I . . . sigh

i'm more on the look out for audio gear
rode & mics
allen and heath

theres a good site
www.sweetwater.com

BLINK
you brought shit from there didn't you?
do they deliver to NZ?

that's the problem innit?

You can find the stuff at a good price easily enough on the internet, but either it's not available to NZ or it costs an arm and a leg to get it here.

I guess it's inevetible living in NZ - there are advantages and disadbantages to being surrounded up thousands of miles of ocean . . . just felt like having a bitch

Probably the cheapest new gear retailer in te UK is Turnkey
turnkey.co.uk
they have some great deals and generally its cheaper than anywhere. With the strength of the NZ dollar at the moment its worth looking at.
An AT4033 for 160 quid? I remember when they first came out and they cost $1300. Forget the rodes mics, they're shit.

NT3, NTK are pretty dodge
but i like the K2
sounds nice, works well as the figure 8 in a decca tree
whats your opinion on the K2 Hollis?
and for a fellow like myself, who can't really send more than $1500 on a mic (which i see as being an figure you can get a "good" mic for) what others do you recomend?

figure 8 in a decca tree?
what kind of decca tree are you putting together?
I know there is a technique that replaces the center/front omni with a M/S setup. Is that what what you're doing? How does that sound?
Seriously, look into the AT 4033, a great general purpose LDC. Its only cardiod but has a 10db pad, bass roll off and is sturdy and sounds good. Good on vocals, acgtr, drums, bass amps, brass. That whole AT '40' range is quite fantastic value for money. York Street has 2 of them and they hardly ever get used I beleive.
If you ever track down any AKG451's you'll never regret it. The old range has different caps that screw on-cardiod, omni, figure 8, -10db, -20db, and also a funky swivle joint that makes the mic kind of 'side address' and makes them excellent for drum kits.
In a similar vein the Octava 012 are also excellent SDC.
I havn't used the Rodes K2 as I avoid them in the same way as I avoid mackies.
No one I know has one.

I wish I could talk like this.

figure 8 in a decca tree?
//what kind of decca tree are you putting together?
I know there is a technique that replaces the center/front omni with a M/S setup. Is that what what you're doing? How does that sound?//

ohhh i am so bad!
i was meaning mid side but wrote decca tree

i used an octava MK-012 as the cardioid
and K2 as the figure 8
it sounded really nice
brought out the HF really crisply, caught a lot of the resonance i hadn't picked up with the studio projects C4's i used last time

in all honesty i haven't used too many microphones c414, 57, NTK etc. the basics, so it's a matter of what i've heard
and the other rodes i've used (NT3, NTK, NT5) have all been marginal but the K2 really takes the cake, i know lee prebble has two which he uses for vocals and overheads
i rate the re 20 very highly, how have you found it?
for a nice sharp kick i prefer it to the d112 immensly and it really sounds nice on the toms i've used it on

speaking of mackie what other -$3000 desks would you recomend then?
i'd probably go at the mo for an allen and heath 14 Mono+2 Stereo 6 Aux 4 Group desk.
what are the other alternatives in your opinion in that price range
seeing as i can't buy neves...

I remember doing a listening test with Welsford between a mackie and a allen and heath GSV3 (is that right). At the time I had no prefence for either of them as I was in neve heaven, but with fairly scientific listening tests it was concluded quite convincingly that the A and H was a better desk. By far. At the time the mackies sounded slow (slew rate) and have no concise bottom end. It seems all 'flappy'.And also the headroom of the desks was pretty marginal. Build, shit. The Allen and Heaths on the otherhand sounded like something you could actually use and be happy with.
In terms of other desks, its a buyers market, esp if you're prepared to go the used route.
some of the smaller Ameks sound great. Neotek, Quad Eight,

9.5 time out of 10 I'll use the D112 on kick and get rocking results. Even with the pretty extreme eq curve it has I'll often put a small condenser on the batter side for more attack. Re20s I have a love/hate relationship with. They work on some drums, some bass cabinets, some vocals, some horns-but not with the regularity of the others I have. Perhaps I should check out this K2. I'd feel strange doing it, but hey. I'm currently trying to convince this guy I know to sell me his two altec 195's. It will happen and I will never be forced into resorting to a sm57 ever again.

// I remember doing a listening test with Welsford between a mackie and a allen and heath//

how did you do it
what listening tests?
and what do you mean by slow?

yeah the drum kit i've been recording at the mo
sounds whomphy and flappy with the D112
and the re 20 works
i guess thats that .5 of the time? ;)

I seems to remember that we used a drum kit for the test. We split the mic signals so we could feed both the mackie and the A and H the exact same thing. We then routed all microphones to eight outputs and put it to tape (this was before protools). We compared the sound back from tape machine,stroked our chins, and decided that the A and H sounded good. the mackie sounded like puss.
The slew rate relates to the speed at which a curcuit reacts to transients of an input signal. Very important ,as transients have a lot of information in them in terms of overtones and space.

well i'd already put an A&H as my prefered desk

//The slew rate relates to the speed at which a curcuit reacts to transients of an input signal. Very important ,as transients have a lot of information in them in terms of overtones and space.//
but i didn't know that...

in regards to neve heaven, were you at york st, is there another one in NZ, or was it overseas? i've been trying to find info on weta's sound gear i know they have two million dollar desks, i saw a brochure with them in it but it was dark and i couldn't make out type...

yes, york strret. And that is a very special desk. there was only six of them made. U2 has one or two of the other ones. Revolver used to have a couple of neves but they sold them offshore as did the guys in the south island. Neil Finn has just installed an incredible neve that he got from the states and the only other one that I know of in NZ is the SHEP NEVE at Mr Gubays place in Devonport. Weta , as far as I know use Euphonics consoles. Very interesting as they have an anolog signal path but everything (routing/eq/dynamics/snapshots) is controlled digitally. Its completely recallable just like a protools session. AND they sound fantastic. Very expensive to buy new, but they are becoming (relatively) reasonable on the secondhand market.

try here : www.gearfordays.com
pretty reasonable prices from some b uddies of mine on music row

cheers!

I wish I could talk like THIS, from the funniest recording thread EVER:

Man, the way some guys go on about gear. Strictly amateur hour. Let me tell you something: in L.A., we'll eat you alive. We fuckin eat "aficiondos" like you guys for breakfast. "Tell me about the latest AKG piece of crap..." I'll tell you what it is: IT SUCKS. Your RODE? It sucks. Your little ProTools rig? Sucks. In L.A. ProTools is the standard, and we fucking KNOW it sucks. How do we know it sucks? We fucking use that shit EVERY DAY with these creatures known as CLIENTS who PAY US MONEY for RECORDING their "MUSIC."

You guys know anything about that?

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that is priceless.

not as good as this though hollis:

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that rant is quite brilliant

what i also really like on that mesage board is the picture by monkeyboy's post, with Kermit slapping away.