to me this is a very sick and twisted idea, but wats more sick and twisted is that the USa and many other people around the world still think lee harvey oswald killed kennedy when the evidence is so greatly against this idea and yet people dont question it,
Lee Oswald may have been involved but only as a scape goat, he didnt shoot Kennedy and by the off chance (and i mean very off chance) he certainly didnt fire the fatal shot
// im not sure really what the point is
// other than its a very twisted game to have come up with
I heard one of the guys from the company that made it this morning on national radio, and the 'he could have done it' is the point of the game. He also pointed out it's not a 'game' game as such, just part of a wider documentary/educational package of which the shooting bit is part of. As part of their attempts to dispell the conspiracy theories surrounding the assassination, they makers have set it up so people can try to emulate Oswald's admittedly hard-to-believe feat, just to prove that it *might* have been possible.
with that all said, kennedys head went backwards and to the left, educational or not u cannot shot someone from behind and then have their head move towards where the bullet came from, you know???
it just doesnt happen,
im currently reading "crossfire- the plot that killed kennedy" by jim Marrs and then im gona read the book by Jim garrison whos the man trying to prove there was a conspiricy adn the only man to have had a conviction in the kennedy case, and the amount of evidence to support that oswald wasnt the gun man is overwheling,
if oswald did somehow manage to pull 3 shots in 6.5 seconds and if he did manage to shot the fatal shot and kennedys head somehow did move back towards where the bullet came from, does the gam explain how the FBIs top marksmen couldnt do the same??? or how it only took him less than 90 seconds to stash the weapon in teh far side of the room, rub down 5 flights of stairs passed 2 women who didnt see him, fumble through change buy a coke and be looking cool clam and collected while drinking it when confronted by a policeman with his gun drawn??? thats what i dont understand,
and also he had to run 1 mile in less than 10 mins, shot another officer with bullets his gun couldnt fire, then somehow be already sitting in a movie theater at the same time this officer tippet was shot and have already bought popcorn too
things like that just dont add up,
i saw a doco on discovery channel the other day where a guy searched and interviewd a man who many have said was involved he was from France or Italy or something, hes admitted to being involved and fears for his life which is why he hasnt said alot about it
yeah the "he could have done it" probly is the point of the game.
but the " he didnt do it" is more likely or a reality based on evidence and facts that have amounted throughout the years involving this case
but when it all boils down to it, would these people who run this web site really give away $100,000 if it was possible the match those shots fired when JFK was assassinated????????? my answer is no, if something is possible you wouldnt give away 100 grand for someone to win it by fluke, and anyway a virtual game doesnt prove anything, only that you can do it on a computer (but thats only if its done), show me someone making those shots in real life then ill believe
// saw a doco on discovery channel the other day where a guy searched and interviewd a man who many have said was involved he was from France or Italy or something, hes admitted to being involved and fears for his life which is why he hasnt said alot about it
I've heard something similar, that one of Chicago mobster Sam Giancana's hit men has admitted to doing it, but the police won't take him seriously, and anyway he is locked up for life anyway.
To me that makes sense. People say they heard a shot coming from the grassy knoll and Giancana would have felt he had a score to settle. The 1960 election was very close with Chicago being a swing state and people have come forward in the past to say that Joe Kennedy did a deal with Giancana to strongarm people to voting Kennedy. JFK gets in and what does he do? sets Bobby Keddedy out on a witchhunt against the mafia.
The game itself is a little disturbing but, at the risk of being bugged by the CIA, they have the wrong target. Put Bush in the crosshairs and I'll buy a copy.
then like you said or "the guy " said, no bullet can make a head snap back , forward or sideways like that right?
there was no exit wound in his head? correct?? wheres the bullet that was meant to have been fired from behind? through trees?
theres only fragments which means it was a lot bigger than they FBI said and that the bullet was made to explode when hitting something solid, and like i said before the autopsy reports state 2 bullets wounds in kennedys head one of the side which caused the huge chunk of his head to explode and one smaller one at the back of his skull whichmay or may not explain the slight movement forward(yes you heard me say it on closer inspection watching it over and over again the blood kinda gets in the way) and the sudden movement backwards
no one has found a conspiracy yet thats true, but if all the original evidence had been produced taken into account and reported and not ignored by the "top dogs" that might have beena diferent story,
read that book "Crossfire- the plot that killed kennedy" then come back and tell me that theres nothing fishy or something a bit odd about the whole thing
//My theory, as I stated above, is that he's living the good life in the Mediterranean, laughing at the thousands and thousands of hours that people are wasting researching supposed conspiracy theories about his supposed assassination...
he just upped and left the best dressed woman in America to a crusty millionaire,
clearly a gay man.
i know i said it does look like his head went forward, but watching im not so sure it does i duno, apprently it does but ive watched in on two differetn computers my home and my work one and i thought i could see hsi head going forward slightly, but watching it in real time at home (my software is better than at work) i cant see it, it just looks like his first reaction is to go backwards, i duno what taht guy found and mayb im just blind but i cannot see it to be perfectly honest,
as for the guy who said its clear as day, watever, you must have to slow it down, play it back like 500,000 times to see anyhting that resembles a forward movement,
i for one cannot see it, not saying its not there just say ing it difficult to see
// i duno what taht guy found and mayb im just blind
// but i cannot see it to be perfectly honest,
it's not just that guy, it's just about every conspiract theorist on the web. try these links, LOTS more analysis for you to digest, including lots of graphic frame-by-frame analysis of the president's head exploding (be warned)...
Honestly, there's dozens more out there as well. Just google it (external link below is the one I used to find all this)...
from the last link (reflecting what is said in several other places)...
"The simple fact is that John F. Kennedy's head did not snap "back and to the left." What the human eye cannot perceive with ease while viewing the Zapruder film is clearly revealed in a frame-by-frame comparison: that between Zapruder frames 312 and 313, the President's head is propelled forward several inches (2.3 inches, according to one study), before strongly snapping backwards, beginning at frame 313 (the first frame in which the results of the bullet strike become visible). As seen in the image below, taken from Robert Groden's book, The Killing of a President, the forward movement of the President's head at that time is corroborated by the corresponding frame of a film taken by an eyewitness on the other side of Elm Street, Orville Nix."
//there was no exit wound in his head? correct??
//the bullet was made to explode when hitting something solid, and like i said before the autopsy reports state 2 bullets wounds in kennedys head one of the side which caused the huge chunk of his head to explode and one smaller one at the back of his skull whichmay or may not explain the slight movement forward(yes you heard me say it on closer inspection watching it over and over again the blood kinda gets in the way) and the sudden movement backwards
Okay I'm no expert I have only shot possums & rabbits etc (not a mans head I know) but a small hole at the back of his head would seem to me to relate to an entry wound and his head exploding out the right front would seem to be (quite clearly) an exit wound - and if the bullet was one designed to explode on impact (looking at that film) it makes a shot from behind even more likely, you have to realise due to the speed of a bullet the explosion wouldn't happen at the first contact as you say but inside the head, and if the bullet was from behind, the head would explode at the front due to the direction of the bullet
As i say I'm no expert but I can't see why a shot from his right/front would make that side of his head explode rather than pushing out the left/rear ???
//clear as day . .
that was me . . . . the INITIAL movement in that film is forward . . . then back & to the left,
it's for only a split second but its there!!
exploding bullets? i think not.. brain sprayed everywhere because of the pressure of his skull... but yeah - very interesting reading noizy... pretty simple really... the physics thing is cool.. the momentum from a bullet cant make the body move like the did in any case....
thats bullshit, ur saying the abraham zapruder film is lying???????????
wtf are u on about u cock lunch, i seen the film, seen how kennedy fell, seen where it hit, and the fact that kennedys brain went missing also kinda leaves the impression that the fatal shot did not come from where they said it did,
it was also suspected to be a fragmenting bullet ie, when it hits a solid mass it explodes and fragments causing a bigger wound, but because his brain is missing and the autopsy reports state 2 different things by 4 different doctors at 2 different hospitals no one will ever know.
but chewdog u obviously dont have a fucken clue what u are talking about so mayb itd be best if u just fucked right off mate
no no no it was proven that the bullet was a fragmenting bullet and like exploded on impact, which is why they never found an entire bullet in tact only metal pieces in kennedys brain, but because kennedys brain went missing no entry or exit direction can ever be determined, which is kinda strange considering "the bullet came from lee harvey oswald " right ???
one thing i neva quite understood is that, in the "single bullet theory", the first bullet hit kennedy about half way down his back but came out his throat and then into conally, but if it hit lower down how does it move up to get out his throat?? and the last impact point of the bullet was conally's thigh, but how did it get from his wrist which was held above his leg to his thigh???
I don't think chewdogg was denying the way Kennedy's head moved on impact, but is pointing out that a projectile that small moving that fast isn't going to push someone's head in a particular direction. A fist, yes. A bullet, no. Head movement would be mainly due to reflex muscle action under trauma.
Have you seen the Abraham Zapruder Film???????????
i suggest you hire "JFK" by oliver stone and watch it, the film is showen in its entirety, and in case you ddint know which u propbly dont, ther were 2 bullets holes found in kennedys head, one the bullet that fragmented and blew the side of his head open(and caused his head to go bacwards and to the left) and a second one that just entered his head and made a smaller hole,
what i do find funny though, i was told to chill by someone just above, and yet when chewdog, flipped out in the post at the bottom, dont see anyone apart from me commenting on that one
//no no no it was proven that the bullet was a fragmenting bullet and like exploded on impact,
its also proven that it would have been impossible for someone to have fired from the grassy knoll .. which is the only direction this so-called frangible bullet could have come from..
you can "prove" almost any theory if you try hard enough - especially if people want to believe
//Have you seen the Abraham Zapruder Film???????????
No, I haven't. Have you seen anything other than the Abraham Zapruder Film? Surely you're aware that a single point of view, no matter how convincing, will always give you a skewed perspective. Did you see the documentary about how the moon landing was a hoax? Extremely convincing, using evidence drawn from the films made by the astronauts themselves, up until the counter-doco came out exposing every single fragment of evidence in the first doco as utter bollocks. I'm not saying your Abraham Zapruder film is wrong or fake, but you're pushing a single perspective so hard, and scorning every differing opinion (even well-considered ones) so loudly that you end up sounding very unbalanced. You're very difficult to take seriously.
As for chilling out; you've been far more abusive far more regularly than most of the current batch of nzmers. Don't think your balanced reply to chewdogg's rant went unnoticed - you handled it pretty well and I for one appreciated it. If you'd just continue along those lines and stop overreacting when people disagree with you, you might actually start enjoying yourself.
Umm..well, from my completely uneducated perspective, doesn't that film show blood spraying out the front of his head...which suggests the bullet went in the back of his head?
// "back & to the left was dsprooved years ago "
// thats bullshit, ur saying the abraham zapruder film is lying
from the website I've just linked to...
In the current film, Kennedy's head is knocked forward from Z312-313 by the impact of a bullet. No one disputes this. With regard to these frames, Itek noted, "the President's head is subjected to a large acceleration forward." Itek calculated that Kennedy's head is knocked forward 2.3 inches and his right shoulder about 1.1 inches from Z312-313. Bear in mind that each frame represents only 1/18th of a second. But, amazingly, by Z314 the head is suddenly moving backward. I suggest that in the original film the marked forward motion that begins at Z312 did not end at Z313 but continued for at least several frames and probably more, and that this was the forward movement seen and described by witnesses.
The violent, dramatic backward head snap in Z313-323, which for so many years was thought to be concrete proof of a shot from the front, actually constitutes further evidence of alteration. It has been established that no bullet striking the front of the skull could have caused the backward head snap. However, no bullet striking from behind could have caused this motion either. Warren Commission supporters have put forth two theories to explain how a bullet striking from behind might have caused the head snap, the jet-effect theory and the neuromuscular-reaction theory. Both theories are untenable (see, for example, ("Special Effects in the Zapruder Film: How the Film of the Century was Edited," in James Fetzer, ed., Assassination Science, Chicago: Catfeet Press, 1997, pp. 279-284; Mark North, Act Of Treason, New York: Carroll and Graf, 1991, pp. 383-385). So if neither a bullet from the front nor a bullet from behind could have caused the head snap, what caused it? A few researchers have speculated that Jackie was the cause of the head snap, that is, that she shoved JFK backward, but it is extremely doubtful that she was strong enough to throw her husband's torso backward with such terrific force. The head snap is a physical impossibility, at least according to everything we now know about physics and the human body. So how can we explain it? Dr. David Mantik, who holds a doctorate in physics, suggests that what we now see as the head snap was originally a much slower motion and was actually the action of Jackie lifting her husband back up to look at him.
//u cannot shot someone from behind and then have their head move towards where the bullet came from, you know???
it just doesnt happen, //
Rubbish ... sure the head would move forward initially but once it reached the limit of forward movement the energy imparted by the impact of the projectile would just about guarantee that the head would rebound backwards. Whiplash.
sure the head would move forward initially but once it reached the limit of forward movement the energy imparted by the impact of the projectile would just about guarantee that the head would rebound backwards. Whiplash. -----
exactly adn the initial movement was back and to the left- then he collapsed over jacky kennedy,
explain to me how a bullet fired from behind can make the INITIAL movement backwards then to the left
Phillip Willis told the warren commision that he saw blood going from the rear to the left of kennedys head- that doesnt happen if the bullet came from the Book depository,
im not saying it came from the front but from the side, adn the fragmenting bullet exploded which is why only metal shards have been found in kennedys head and not a whole bullet,
basically theres two ways to solve this crime- A) find the REAL autopsy reports which have been unexplainedly "lost" and or destroyed, B) find the babushka lady, who at the time of the fatal shot was standing with a camera i might add right in front of the grass knoll, and since neither one has turned up in the passed 40 odd years i guess all is lost,
but i still dont not believe that oswald was involved to the extent People claim he was, sure he may have fired a shot, BUT i dont believe he killed the president,
the evidence is just too strong with the amount of evidence left out or ignored by FBI and warren commision officials,
think about it if there is anyone whoc an pull off such a high profile murder its the people who have the most power in that country,i dont believe that the Cuban Mafia could have kept this a secret for so long by themselves,
and if the films have been altered, like many photos have been cropped by "unknown men carrying FBI and secret service badges" that goes even further to prove that something isnt right dont u think????
The speed at which the bullets were fired is the thing that kinda gets me, I guess I'd tend toward the idea that Oswald wasn't working alone.
There's also another theory which kinda occurred to me when people were talking about how you'd have to be an amazingly good marksman to shoot three bullets that quickly and keep your shots accurate...what if Oswald wasn't aiming at the President? oooOOOoooo!
// the site that you provided noziboy shows kennedys head
// going back and to the left, which is the opposite of what you are saying
I didn't say anything. The guy who put the 'evidence' online said it himself.
Essentially, you're refuting the word of someone who actually took the time to put that film on the web, who has obviously spent a bit of time analysing the video, who states several sources that (I won't pull out the bold tags this time) to reinforce his statement that (ah, fuggit) "Kennedy's head is knocked forward from Z312-313 by the impact of a bullet. No one disputes this."
My theory, as I stated above, is that he's living the good life in the Mediterranean, laughing at the thousands and thousands of hours that people are wasting researching supposed conspiracy theories about his supposed assassination...
i have no idea, but with the rilfe that he actaully used and hes marksmenship skill (which was decidedly average) and the angle and well fuck the fact taht kennedy's head went back and to the left when he was shot indicates that it came from the grassy knoll and not where oswald was supposedly meant to be
but the ting with those games are( and ur point is very vaild now i think about it) while the events stay loosly based on what happened, the names and people are all different, they are not like this new game, hell i enjoy sniper games and war games and things like that, but trying to match an assassins shots on a president for money is kinda on the nose a bit, its just a bit twisted to me, meawhile you got the dumbass chief censor banning PS2 games where killing is the name of the game, dont see him banning medal of honour??? the point is to kill and blow things up,
the new game banned was called "postal dude" or something like that, where u "go postal" and slaughter people who piss you off basically but the gam eis only as violent as the player makes it, same with GTA and no one has banned that game yet
//hes marksmenship skill (which was decidedly average)
Not according to the US Marine core. According to a doco on TV One last night while in the Marine Oswald achieved the level of sharpshooter which meant the could fire rapidly and accurately at a target hundreds of yards away.
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ive played it, its quite accurate ...
ive played it, its quite accurate except its oswald behind the trigger
i could only play it a few times a bit too spooky really.
to me this is a very sick and twisted ...
to me this is a very sick and twisted idea, but wats more sick and twisted is that the USa and many other people around the world still think lee harvey oswald killed kennedy when the evidence is so greatly against this idea and yet people dont question it,
Lee Oswald may have been involved but only as a scape goat, he didnt shoot Kennedy and by the off chance (and i mean very off chance) he certainly didnt fire the fatal shot
// he didnt shoot Kennedy but isn't ...
// he didnt shoot Kennedy
but isn't that the point of the game? to prove that he could have?
im not sure really what the point is ...
im not sure really what the point is other than its a very twisted game to have come up with
// im not sure really what the point is ...
// im not sure really what the point is
// other than its a very twisted game to have come up with
I heard one of the guys from the company that made it this morning on national radio, and the 'he could have done it' is the point of the game. He also pointed out it's not a 'game' game as such, just part of a wider documentary/educational package of which the shooting bit is part of. As part of their attempts to dispell the conspiracy theories surrounding the assassination, they makers have set it up so people can try to emulate Oswald's admittedly hard-to-believe feat, just to prove that it *might* have been possible.
with that all said, kennedys head went ...
with that all said, kennedys head went backwards and to the left, educational or not u cannot shot someone from behind and then have their head move towards where the bullet came from, you know???
it just doesnt happen,
im currently reading "crossfire- the plot that killed kennedy" by jim Marrs and then im gona read the book by Jim garrison whos the man trying to prove there was a conspiricy adn the only man to have had a conviction in the kennedy case, and the amount of evidence to support that oswald wasnt the gun man is overwheling,
if oswald did somehow manage to pull 3 shots in 6.5 seconds and if he did manage to shot the fatal shot and kennedys head somehow did move back towards where the bullet came from, does the gam explain how the FBIs top marksmen couldnt do the same??? or how it only took him less than 90 seconds to stash the weapon in teh far side of the room, rub down 5 flights of stairs passed 2 women who didnt see him, fumble through change buy a coke and be looking cool clam and collected while drinking it when confronted by a policeman with his gun drawn??? thats what i dont understand,
and also he had to run 1 mile in less than 10 mins, shot another officer with bullets his gun couldnt fire, then somehow be already sitting in a movie theater at the same time this officer tippet was shot and have already bought popcorn too
things like that just dont add up,
i saw a doco on discovery channel the other day where a guy searched and interviewd a man who many have said was involved he was from France or Italy or something, hes admitted to being involved and fears for his life which is why he hasnt said alot about it
yeah the "he could have done it" probly ...
yeah the "he could have done it" probly is the point of the game.
but the " he didnt do it" is more likely or a reality based on evidence and facts that have amounted throughout the years involving this case
but when it all boils down to it, would ...
but when it all boils down to it, would these people who run this web site really give away $100,000 if it was possible the match those shots fired when JFK was assassinated????????? my answer is no, if something is possible you wouldnt give away 100 grand for someone to win it by fluke, and anyway a virtual game doesnt prove anything, only that you can do it on a computer (but thats only if its done), show me someone making those shots in real life then ill believe
// saw a doco on discovery channel the ...
// saw a doco on discovery channel the other day where a guy searched and interviewd a man who many have said was involved he was from France or Italy or something, hes admitted to being involved and fears for his life which is why he hasnt said alot about it
I've heard something similar, that one of Chicago mobster Sam Giancana's hit men has admitted to doing it, but the police won't take him seriously, and anyway he is locked up for life anyway.
To me that makes sense. People say they heard a shot coming from the grassy knoll and Giancana would have felt he had a score to settle. The 1960 election was very close with Chicago being a swing state and people have come forward in the past to say that Joe Kennedy did a deal with Giancana to strongarm people to voting Kennedy. JFK gets in and what does he do? sets Bobby Keddedy out on a witchhunt against the mafia.
The game itself is a little disturbing but, at the risk of being bugged by the CIA, they have the wrong target. Put Bush in the crosshairs and I'll buy a copy.
"Put Bush in the crosshairs and I'll ...
"Put Bush in the crosshairs and I'll buy a copy"
AMEN TO THAT
then like you said or "the guy " said, ...
then like you said or "the guy " said, no bullet can make a head snap back , forward or sideways like that right?
there was no exit wound in his head? correct?? wheres the bullet that was meant to have been fired from behind? through trees?
theres only fragments which means it was a lot bigger than they FBI said and that the bullet was made to explode when hitting something solid, and like i said before the autopsy reports state 2 bullets wounds in kennedys head one of the side which caused the huge chunk of his head to explode and one smaller one at the back of his skull whichmay or may not explain the slight movement forward(yes you heard me say it on closer inspection watching it over and over again the blood kinda gets in the way) and the sudden movement backwards
no one has found a conspiracy yet thats true, but if all the original evidence had been produced taken into account and reported and not ignored by the "top dogs" that might have beena diferent story,
read that book "Crossfire- the plot that killed kennedy" then come back and tell me that theres nothing fishy or something a bit odd about the whole thing
//My theory, as I stated above, is that ...
//My theory, as I stated above, is that he's living the good life in the Mediterranean, laughing at the thousands and thousands of hours that people are wasting researching supposed conspiracy theories about his supposed assassination...
he just upped and left the best dressed woman in America to a crusty millionaire,
clearly a gay man.
i know i said it does look like his ...
i know i said it does look like his head went forward, but watching im not so sure it does i duno, apprently it does but ive watched in on two differetn computers my home and my work one and i thought i could see hsi head going forward slightly, but watching it in real time at home (my software is better than at work) i cant see it, it just looks like his first reaction is to go backwards, i duno what taht guy found and mayb im just blind but i cannot see it to be perfectly honest,
as for the guy who said its clear as day, watever, you must have to slow it down, play it back like 500,000 times to see anyhting that resembles a forward movement,
i for one cannot see it, not saying its not there just say ing it difficult to see
// i duno what taht guy found and mayb ...
// i duno what taht guy found and mayb im just blind
// but i cannot see it to be perfectly honest,
it's not just that guy, it's just about every conspiract theorist on the web. try these links, LOTS more analysis for you to digest, including lots of graphic frame-by-frame analysis of the president's head exploding (be warned)...
http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/issues_and_evidence/zapruder_film/Rearward_...
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/organ2.htm
http://www.jfk-online.com/jfk100shot5.html
Honestly, there's dozens more out there as well. Just google it (external link below is the one I used to find all this)...
from the last link (reflecting what is said in several other places)...
"The simple fact is that John F. Kennedy's head did not snap "back and to the left." What the human eye cannot perceive with ease while viewing the Zapruder film is clearly revealed in a frame-by-frame comparison: that between Zapruder frames 312 and 313, the President's head is propelled forward several inches (2.3 inches, according to one study), before strongly snapping backwards, beginning at frame 313 (the first frame in which the results of the bullet strike become visible). As seen in the image below, taken from Robert Groden's book, The Killing of a President, the forward movement of the President's head at that time is corroborated by the corresponding frame of a film taken by an eyewitness on the other side of Elm Street, Orville Nix."
[ external link ]
//there was no exit wound in his head? ...
//there was no exit wound in his head? correct??
//the bullet was made to explode when hitting something solid, and like i said before the autopsy reports state 2 bullets wounds in kennedys head one of the side which caused the huge chunk of his head to explode and one smaller one at the back of his skull whichmay or may not explain the slight movement forward(yes you heard me say it on closer inspection watching it over and over again the blood kinda gets in the way) and the sudden movement backwards
Okay I'm no expert I have only shot possums & rabbits etc (not a mans head I know) but a small hole at the back of his head would seem to me to relate to an entry wound and his head exploding out the right front would seem to be (quite clearly) an exit wound - and if the bullet was one designed to explode on impact (looking at that film) it makes a shot from behind even more likely, you have to realise due to the speed of a bullet the explosion wouldn't happen at the first contact as you say but inside the head, and if the bullet was from behind, the head would explode at the front due to the direction of the bullet
As i say I'm no expert but I can't see why a shot from his right/front would make that side of his head explode rather than pushing out the left/rear ???
//clear as day . .
that was me . . . . the INITIAL movement in that film is forward . . . then back & to the left,
it's for only a split second but its there!!
exploding bullets? i think not.. brain ...
exploding bullets? i think not.. brain sprayed everywhere because of the pressure of his skull... but yeah - very interesting reading noizy... pretty simple really... the physics thing is cool.. the momentum from a bullet cant make the body move like the did in any case....
"back & to the left was dsprooved years ...
"back & to the left was dsprooved years ago "
thats bullshit, ur saying the abraham zapruder film is lying???????????
wtf are u on about u cock lunch, i seen the film, seen how kennedy fell, seen where it hit, and the fact that kennedys brain went missing also kinda leaves the impression that the fatal shot did not come from where they said it did,
it was also suspected to be a fragmenting bullet ie, when it hits a solid mass it explodes and fragments causing a bigger wound, but because his brain is missing and the autopsy reports state 2 different things by 4 different doctors at 2 different hospitals no one will ever know.
but chewdog u obviously dont have a fucken clue what u are talking about so mayb itd be best if u just fucked right off mate
no no no it was proven that the bullet ...
no no no it was proven that the bullet was a fragmenting bullet and like exploded on impact, which is why they never found an entire bullet in tact only metal pieces in kennedys brain, but because kennedys brain went missing no entry or exit direction can ever be determined, which is kinda strange considering "the bullet came from lee harvey oswald " right ???
chill...
chill
one thing i neva quite understood is ...
one thing i neva quite understood is that, in the "single bullet theory", the first bullet hit kennedy about half way down his back but came out his throat and then into conally, but if it hit lower down how does it move up to get out his throat?? and the last impact point of the bullet was conally's thigh, but how did it get from his wrist which was held above his leg to his thigh???
I don't think chewdogg was denying the ...
I don't think chewdogg was denying the way Kennedy's head moved on impact, but is pointing out that a projectile that small moving that fast isn't going to push someone's head in a particular direction. A fist, yes. A bullet, no. Head movement would be mainly due to reflex muscle action under trauma.
question : Have you seen the ...
question :
Have you seen the Abraham Zapruder Film???????????
i suggest you hire "JFK" by oliver stone and watch it, the film is showen in its entirety, and in case you ddint know which u propbly dont, ther were 2 bullets holes found in kennedys head, one the bullet that fragmented and blew the side of his head open(and caused his head to go bacwards and to the left) and a second one that just entered his head and made a smaller hole,
what i do find funny though, i was told to chill by someone just above, and yet when chewdog, flipped out in the post at the bottom, dont see anyone apart from me commenting on that one
//no no no it was proven that the ...
//no no no it was proven that the bullet was a fragmenting bullet and like exploded on impact,
its also proven that it would have been impossible for someone to have fired from the grassy knoll .. which is the only direction this so-called frangible bullet could have come from..
you can "prove" almost any theory if you try hard enough - especially if people want to believe
//Have you seen the Abraham Zapruder ...
//Have you seen the Abraham Zapruder Film???????????
No, I haven't. Have you seen anything other than the Abraham Zapruder Film? Surely you're aware that a single point of view, no matter how convincing, will always give you a skewed perspective. Did you see the documentary about how the moon landing was a hoax? Extremely convincing, using evidence drawn from the films made by the astronauts themselves, up until the counter-doco came out exposing every single fragment of evidence in the first doco as utter bollocks. I'm not saying your Abraham Zapruder film is wrong or fake, but you're pushing a single perspective so hard, and scorning every differing opinion (even well-considered ones) so loudly that you end up sounding very unbalanced. You're very difficult to take seriously.
As for chilling out; you've been far more abusive far more regularly than most of the current batch of nzmers. Don't think your balanced reply to chewdogg's rant went unnoticed - you handled it pretty well and I for one appreciated it. If you'd just continue along those lines and stop overreacting when people disagree with you, you might actually start enjoying yourself.
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Umm..well, from my completely ...
Umm..well, from my completely uneducated perspective, doesn't that film show blood spraying out the front of his head...which suggests the bullet went in the back of his head?
// "back & to the left was dsprooved ...
// "back & to the left was dsprooved years ago "
// thats bullshit, ur saying the abraham zapruder film is lying
from the website I've just linked to...
In the current film, Kennedy's head is knocked forward from Z312-313 by the impact of a bullet. No one disputes this. With regard to these frames, Itek noted, "the President's head is subjected to a large acceleration forward." Itek calculated that Kennedy's head is knocked forward 2.3 inches and his right shoulder about 1.1 inches from Z312-313. Bear in mind that each frame represents only 1/18th of a second. But, amazingly, by Z314 the head is suddenly moving backward. I suggest that in the original film the marked forward motion that begins at Z312 did not end at Z313 but continued for at least several frames and probably more, and that this was the forward movement seen and described by witnesses.
and also... The violent, dramatic ...
and also...
The violent, dramatic backward head snap in Z313-323, which for so many years was thought to be concrete proof of a shot from the front, actually constitutes further evidence of alteration. It has been established that no bullet striking the front of the skull could have caused the backward head snap. However, no bullet striking from behind could have caused this motion either. Warren Commission supporters have put forth two theories to explain how a bullet striking from behind might have caused the head snap, the jet-effect theory and the neuromuscular-reaction theory. Both theories are untenable (see, for example, ("Special Effects in the Zapruder Film: How the Film of the Century was Edited," in James Fetzer, ed., Assassination Science, Chicago: Catfeet Press, 1997, pp. 279-284; Mark North, Act Of Treason, New York: Carroll and Graf, 1991, pp. 383-385). So if neither a bullet from the front nor a bullet from behind could have caused the head snap, what caused it? A few researchers have speculated that Jackie was the cause of the head snap, that is, that she shoved JFK backward, but it is extremely doubtful that she was strong enough to throw her husband's torso backward with such terrific force. The head snap is a physical impossibility, at least according to everything we now know about physics and the human body. So how can we explain it? Dr. David Mantik, who holds a doctorate in physics, suggests that what we now see as the head snap was originally a much slower motion and was actually the action of Jackie lifting her husband back up to look at him.
aren't conspiracy theories fun?...
aren't conspiracy theories fun?
//aren't conspiracy theories fun? ...
//aren't conspiracy theories fun?
What's really fun is the days when you're so vexed that you break out the bold tags!
//u cannot shot someone from behind and ...
//u cannot shot someone from behind and then have their head move towards where the bullet came from, you know???
it just doesnt happen, //
Rubbish ... sure the head would move forward initially but once it reached the limit of forward movement the energy imparted by the impact of the projectile would just about guarantee that the head would rebound backwards. Whiplash.
sure the head would move forward ...
sure the head would move forward initially but once it reached the limit of forward movement the energy imparted by the impact of the projectile would just about guarantee that the head would rebound backwards. Whiplash. -----
exactly adn the initial movement was back and to the left- then he collapsed over jacky kennedy,
explain to me how a bullet fired from behind can make the INITIAL movement backwards then to the left
if it was the only direction it could ...
if it was the only direction it could have come from how could it be proven that it didnt come from there?
bullet impact has almost NO EFFECT on ...
bullet impact has almost NO EFFECT on how a body moves when hit as the mass of a bullet is tinny (5 grammes)
back & to the left was dsprooved years ago
Phillip Willis told the warren ...
Phillip Willis told the warren commision that he saw blood going from the rear to the left of kennedys head- that doesnt happen if the bullet came from the Book depository,
im not saying it came from the front but from the side, adn the fragmenting bullet exploded which is why only metal shards have been found in kennedys head and not a whole bullet,
basically theres two ways to solve this crime- A) find the REAL autopsy reports which have been unexplainedly "lost" and or destroyed, B) find the babushka lady, who at the time of the fatal shot was standing with a camera i might add right in front of the grass knoll, and since neither one has turned up in the passed 40 odd years i guess all is lost,
but i still dont not believe that oswald was involved to the extent People claim he was, sure he may have fired a shot, BUT i dont believe he killed the president,
the evidence is just too strong with the amount of evidence left out or ignored by FBI and warren commision officials,
think about it if there is anyone whoc an pull off such a high profile murder its the people who have the most power in that country,i dont believe that the Cuban Mafia could have kept this a secret for so long by themselves,
and if the films have been altered, ...
and if the films have been altered, like many photos have been cropped by "unknown men carrying FBI and secret service badges" that goes even further to prove that something isnt right dont u think????
personally, I think the whole thing was ...
personally, I think the whole thing was staged, just like the moon landings.
JFK is alive and well and living on a Greece island with Marilyn Monroe.
And if you think otherwise, you're a boofhead.
The speed at which the bullets were ...
The speed at which the bullets were fired is the thing that kinda gets me, I guess I'd tend toward the idea that Oswald wasn't working alone.
There's also another theory which kinda occurred to me when people were talking about how you'd have to be an amazingly good marksman to shoot three bullets that quickly and keep your shots accurate...what if Oswald wasn't aiming at the President? oooOOOoooo!
the site that you provided noziboy ...
the site that you provided noziboy shows kennedys head going back and to the left, which is the opposite of what you are saying
//And if you think otherwise, you're a ...
//And if you think otherwise, you're a boofhead.
Why do I get a picture of the Footy Show's Reg Reagan in my head when I read that phrase?
//the site that you provided noziboy ...
//the site that you provided noziboy shows kennedys head going back and to the left, which is the opposite of what you are saying
you might want to watch it again, and try not to blink, but it is clear as day - his head goes forward
actually the red spray was a ...
actually the
red spray was
a tomato
thrown at
johnny by an
angry protester
// the site that you provided noziboy ...
// the site that you provided noziboy shows kennedys head
// going back and to the left, which is the opposite of what you are saying
I didn't say anything. The guy who put the 'evidence' online said it himself.
Essentially, you're refuting the word of someone who actually took the time to put that film on the web, who has obviously spent a bit of time analysing the video, who states several sources that (I won't pull out the bold tags this time) to reinforce his statement that (ah, fuggit) "Kennedy's head is knocked forward from Z312-313 by the impact of a bullet. No one disputes this."
My theory, as I stated above, is that he's living the good life in the Mediterranean, laughing at the thousands and thousands of hours that people are wasting researching supposed conspiracy theories about his supposed assassination...
and that's why I don't use bold tags ...
and that's why I don't use bold tags usually.
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i have no idea, but with the rilfe that ...
i have no idea, but with the rilfe that he actaully used and hes marksmenship skill (which was decidedly average) and the angle and well fuck the fact taht kennedy's head went back and to the left when he was shot indicates that it came from the grassy knoll and not where oswald was supposedly meant to be
sorry meant to have replied to the post ...
sorry meant to have replied to the post above not make a new box thinggy
and i wish you could contain your mouth ...
and i wish you could contain your mouth spewing anal belch comments to the minimum amount of posts *sigh* n00b
but the ting with those games are( and ...
but the ting with those games are( and ur point is very vaild now i think about it) while the events stay loosly based on what happened, the names and people are all different, they are not like this new game, hell i enjoy sniper games and war games and things like that, but trying to match an assassins shots on a president for money is kinda on the nose a bit, its just a bit twisted to me, meawhile you got the dumbass chief censor banning PS2 games where killing is the name of the game, dont see him banning medal of honour??? the point is to kill and blow things up,
the new game banned was called "postal dude" or something like that, where u "go postal" and slaughter people who piss you off basically but the gam eis only as violent as the player makes it, same with GTA and no one has banned that game yet
//hes marksmenship skill (which was ...
//hes marksmenship skill (which was decidedly average)
Not according to the US Marine core. According to a doco on TV One last night while in the Marine Oswald achieved the level of sharpshooter which meant the could fire rapidly and accurately at a target hundreds of yards away.
// Oswald achieved the level of ...
// Oswald achieved the level of sharpshooter
apparently not the top rating though, and he scraped in at that. his classmates certainly didn't rate him as an accurate shot.
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