Hey folks
Is it just me or does should these awards be renamed
the new zealand "make the most money" music awards
I think bands like 8 foot sativa should get an award... because they play un commercial un mainstream music and yet have whipped the country into a frenzy with their talent, (and had an album at about number 5 or 6 doing it)...


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Underground music will always stay ...
Underground music will always stay underground and go unrecognised by the general public. But even 8 foot sativa are starting to sell out unfortunatly
8 Foot Sativa arn't that ...
8 Foot Sativa arn't that 'underground'. And how are they selling out?
Well, Sam Sheppard beeng the prime ...
Well, Sam Sheppard beeng the prime example...
// But even 8 foot sativa are starting ...
// But even 8 foot sativa are starting to sell out unfortunatly
grim_entropy - you'd be of the opinion that success = "selling out".
// Underground music will always stay underground
// and go unrecognised by the general public.
Ah, yes.
Nope, selling out = playing music that ...
Nope, selling out = playing music that others want to hear to gain money/publicity/popularity etc, and not beeng yourself and playing what you want. Thats my oppinion before you jump to anymore conclusions.
As I said, Sam Sheppard beeng the prime example.
hahahahaha, yeah noisyboy cos only the ...
hahahahaha, yeah noisyboy cos only the musicions that play 'undergournd' music are playing wot they really feel in their nads. mainstream hip hop is crap neone that plays it is just tryna make money, especially like sam shapperd who shud no better.
What the fuck? I am talking about Sam ...
What the fuck? I am talking about Sam Sheppard and 8 Foot Sativa here, not hip hop, leave your assumptions to yourself because I didnt say anything like that.
oooo sorry, I thought you were ...
oooo sorry, I thought you were referring to an earlier post about Sam Sheppard playing with Scribe.
Sorry I missed your point.... how is he ...
Sorry I missed your point.... how is he the prime example of selling out?
Just because Sam Sheppard is playing ...
Just because Sam Sheppard is playing with Scribe doesn't mean 8 Foot Sativa have sold out. Although I don't like them or their music, they arn't currently writing pub rap/hip hop tracks or bland rap/nu-metal in the vein of Blindspot. And they arn't trying to persuade kids to 'hoook up!' on Boost mobile (which is some of the lamest shit I have ever witnessed).
serious isn't that funny but i was ...
serious isn't that funny but i was laughing hard...
sorry bout that.
please don't cry...
hahaha
// 8 Foot Sativa arn't selling out for ...
// 8 Foot Sativa arn't selling out for two reasons; 1. their drummer (representing HIMSELF, NOT his band) is playing for Scribe, P-Money, whoever the fuck, it doesn't matter.
And 2. They arn't part of the underground, so they arn't selling out any 'underground' values they may have once had. So what the hell are you talking about? They are a big metal band. They do shows sponsored by Vodafone etc and have always had this sort of attitude. Your argument is ridiculous, becuase he listens to Cannibal Corpse he wouldn't agree with doing a hip hop track, maybe he likes pub rap??
And for what reasons would you deny to do a track with Scribe? Because he is hip-hop, or because he is mainstream?
Oh and also, Cannibal Corpse sucks, there are far more superior death bands.
I think you understood me wrong. 8 Foot sativa is a great band, and I am happy for their success.
Also, I know there are better bands then cannibal corpse, infact cannibal corpse sux shit in my books
And I still don't see how 8 Foot ...
And I still don't see how 8 Foot Sativa are 'underground'? Also underground bands arn't the only ones who can sell out.
Ok, if you read through again, I say ...
Ok, if you read through again, I say somewhere: "selling out = playing stuff other people want to hear to gain money/publicity/popularity etc, and not beeng yourself and playing what you want."
What the hell is sam sheppard doing with scribe? You think he likes drumming 4 bars of the same beat for 5 minutes? You think a guy that plays in 8 Foot Sativa, listens to things like Cannibal Corpse likes playing with scribe? Well if you knew him personally, he hates all of it.
If scribe rang me up and asked to be in his video, I would stright up tell him to fuck off, and so would most of the metal scene...
Now go and bitch and throw your oppinions people like heather, I dont care, you are not part of it, and your oppinion is irrevelant anyway. I have better things to do then to argue with villagers
//I have better things to do then to ...
//I have better things to do then to argue with villagers
Hey, I was agreeing wif you..(hurt)
Oh - wait - no, sorry, I was taking the ...
Oh - wait - no, sorry, I was taking the piss. My bad.
//If scribe rang me up and asked to be ...
//If scribe rang me up and asked to be in his video,
// I would stright up tell him to fuck off, and so would most of the metal scene...
Really? The metal scene is made up entirely of uncharitable, narrowminded, grumpy fucks who wouldn't do a favour for someone outside of their immediate genre?
I'm not sure how 'personally' you ...
I'm not sure how 'personally' you know him, but just because he listens to Cannibal Corpse or the Molten Satan DeathBand doesn't mean he doesn't enjoy or even enjoy participating in more mainstream music.
I doubt he would've got paid very much.
Surely doing what he wants, rather than listening to what 'fans' like you think, is the ultimate form of not selling out. I bet he's alienating a fuckload of his 8 Foot fans.
It's a P Money song.
Heh, I wonder how those guys from a ...
Heh, I wonder how those guys from a metal band who started New Zealand's most successful electronic music label see all this... particularly given P Money and Scribe both released on one of their sublabels (at the time).
Not to mention those metallers who went on to write house under the same umbrella of labels and the guys from a hardcore band who are now New Zealand's most successful drum n bass act by a country mile...
Actually, one of NZ's biggest drum n bass promoters is also from a metal band.
Hmm.
Still, it's true I don't know Sam Sheppard, or the guy from Elemenop.. or in fact P Money or Scribe, so I don't know their views on anything.
Grim Entropy I would be tempted to ...
Grim Entropy I would be tempted to agree with you if you had a stronger grasp of the ideas you are trying to express, but you don't.
8 Foot Sativa arn't selling out for two reasons; 1. their drummer (representing HIMSELF, NOT his band) is playing for Scribe, P-Money, whoever the fuck, it doesn't matter.
And 2. They arn't part of the underground, so they arn't selling out any 'underground' values they may have once had. So what the hell are you talking about? They are a big metal band. They do shows sponsored by Vodafone etc and have always had this sort of attitude. Your argument is ridiculous, becuase he listens to Cannibal Corpse he wouldn't agree with doing a hip hop track, maybe he likes pub rap??
And for what reasons would you deny to do a track with Scribe? Because he is hip-hop, or because he is mainstream?
Oh and also, Cannibal Corpse sucks, there are far more superior death bands.
// Is it just me or does should these ...
// Is it just me or does should these awards be renamed
// the new zealand "make the most money" music awards
they don't need to be renamed that, everyone already knows.
// I think bands like 8 foot sativa should get an award...
// because they play un commercial un mainstream music
well, by your own definition, they're hardly going to clean up at the commercial mainstream RIANZ awards, are they?
haha @ 8 foot sativa selling ...
haha @ 8 foot sativa selling out...
thats a fucking joke... Underground metal dickheads dont know the meaning of the word today
They just use it to label bands that "arent hardcore enough" that can actually play un-like some of these shit noise gurus like cannibal corpse
What would you know about metal? You ...
What would you know about metal? You are into Blindspot.
And I think 'underground metal dick heads' do know the meaning of the word. Try listening to some (albeit they arn't so underground as such) Dying Fetus/Inhume/Cult of Luna/Pig Destroyer/Meshuggah/The Red Chord/Malevolent Creation/Deeds of Flesh and try to tell me they don't know how to 'play'.
Blows anything your considering to be metal out of the water.
They all say the same shit: that ...
They all say the same shit: that because bands like Slipknot are big, successful and rich.. that they have sold out...
people sometimes forget that a cd might sell because its good
Um, no one reckons Slipknot has sold ...
Um, no one reckons Slipknot has sold out, just many would say they don't play real metal.
i reckon they sold out - and i've got ...
i reckon they sold out - and i've got the receipts to prove it