Guns for Sale

Submitted by foal30 on Wed, 2004-10-13 02:48

Recentley Stolen.
From the Wellington Police, no less.
That station has certainly justified their Annual Bonus.
You all sleep well.
Whose Responsible?

Comments

Submitted by LugHead on Wed, 2004-10-13 16:50.

ha ha ha

I wonder if it took them the average 10 hours to respond to that one?

ha ha ha

Submitted by LugHead on Wed, 2004-10-13 16:53.

ha ha ha they must have been too busy in town standing / hiding at intersections with their clipboards and ticket books . . . ha ha ha (still laughing)

Submitted by tessie tutae on Wed, 2004-10-13 17:21.

Is there any way this topic is not going to degenerate into a stereotyping, mud slinging, fuck da pigs topic?
'Cause that kind of thing really bugs me.
Lughead - the people that give you tickets are entirely different to the Police. They have different jobs and duites, are staffed by different people and even have different coloured cars. You have no ground to slag off Police because you got caught speeding by a traffic cop.
And the standard response time of ten hours - surely this is to do with under staffing rather than laziness, as was implied?
And maybe understaffing is to do with a a government which doesn't much care for crime prevention, and a nasty stereotype of Police as corrupt, lazy and useless civil servants. With the image they have, who would really want to join up?
What happened to the days when Police were respected members of the community, and could be trusted to help you out when you were in trouble. Is the NZ Police really that bad?
But changing tack completely, i heard on the radio this monring that our highest paid civil servant is Police Commissiner Rob Robson with a salary of over $400,000 a year. Which is prety freakin excessive.
There endeth rant.

Submitted by jet on Wed, 2004-10-13 18:07.

Just re: traffic officers, I thought they were combined with the Police in the 90s?

Submitted by tessie tutae on Wed, 2004-10-13 18:24.

My understanding is that they're like different branches of the same company. But they definitely have different functions.

Submitted by jimi on Wed, 2004-10-13 19:21.

I think they went from being pretty much totally seperate in the 'old days', to being merged until a couple of years ago when they were seperated by car colour and frontline staff - but they're still more combined than they used to be.

Submitted by limegreen on Wed, 2004-10-13 19:51.

I don't think they differ by training, but certain staff are now assigned to traffic patrol only, so it has become a little less integrated. I don't think 400k is too excessive, given the size of the organisation and the responsibility that comes with it.

Submitted by LugHead on Wed, 2004-10-13 20:02.

//Lughead - the people that give you tickets are entirely different to the Police. They have different jobs and duites, are staffed by different people and even have different coloured cars. You have no ground to slag off Police because you got caught speeding by a traffic cop.

Firstly a boast – 10+ years driving and not one ticket, not even a parking ticket (**touches wood**)

Different to the Police –
Well the ones that I see out the window of work get out of standard police cars – not highway patrol or community cars, they wear standard police uniforms – including the big fluro jackets with POLICE written on the back, so I can’t really be blamed for mistaking them for real police now can I?
Usually there are at least four of them, which wouldn’t bother me if they were policing high risk or black spot area’s, but they are policing centre city 50km intersections at peak times, so even if you wanted to it would be hard to speed, very rarely I have I ever seen any accidents let alone any fatal accidents at these intersections, so yes it seems strange to me that recently these areas should be so heavily & regularly policed in such a fashion, surely these officers would be better used either policing roads regarded as actual black spots or attending crime scenes in under 10 hours – surely one of the four officers it takes to ticket someone for not using their indicator should have the skills to attend a burgled house and write up the report?

Anywhos . . .The police officers that I have had to deal with like when my car got pinched etc have been great, they even managed to get my car back, but I still find it funny that a police station got robbed.

Submitted by Heather on Wed, 2004-10-13 20:23.

//I still find it funny that a police station got robbed.

hahaha it's *so* like ten thousand spoons when all you need is one knife..
sorry, that's not a dig at all, it was just the first thing I thunk.

Submitted by LugHead on Wed, 2004-10-13 20:32.

//that's not a dig at all, it was just the first thing I thunk.

No no, I completly understand, I actually had the same thought

Submitted by LugHead on Wed, 2004-10-13 20:35.

I mean really . . . if you can't see the funny side of this . . . ?

Submitted by tessie tutae on Wed, 2004-10-13 21:11.

Sorry Lughead, was a wee bit tetchy this mornin' pre-salami sandwich and juice. My dad's a cop and it's something we talk about quite a lot, the fact that people automatically assume things about him and get their defences up because of experiences they've had with traffic cops.
It is very funny a police station got robbed...I can be a bit humourless sometimes.
Also, well done for nver getting a speeding ticket. That's quite a feat.

Submitted by LugHead on Wed, 2004-10-13 21:22.

No worries Tessie!

Starting to think i may have now jinxed myself on the ticket thing, bugger, ha ha ha probably get one going home tonight?

Submitted by Heather on Wed, 2004-10-13 21:45.

//Starting to think i may have now jinxed myself on the ticket thing, bugger, ha ha ha probably get one going home tonight?

errr...well, you don't have to...just don't speed.

(duh)

Submitted by LugHead on Wed, 2004-10-13 21:59.

nah, it will be for something even more stupid like - I'll forget to indicate, my tail light will be out and my licence will be on the table at home

Submitted by Heather on Wed, 2004-10-13 22:01.

Ah, fair do's. Good luck then. I don't suppose you've got a stealth car?

Submitted by LugHead on Wed, 2004-10-13 22:07.

stealth car . . . now that would be cool,

suppose I could always walk home?

Submitted by Heather on Wed, 2004-10-13 22:09.

//stealth car . . . now that would be cool,

ah, the point is that a stealth car isn't cool. My brother drives a nissan bluebird with a kiddie seat in the back that could burn off all those boy racers in a heartbeat. Combined with the suit he wears to work, he never, ever gets pulled over. The speed cameras still get him but..

Submitted by LugHead on Wed, 2004-10-13 22:20.

//ah, the point is that a stealth car isn't cool. My brother drives a nissan bluebird

Okay, i was waaay off with my thinking of a stealth car, he he???

But do I have the suit, a nice but average car that doesn’t go – rmmmmm ‘pish’ rrmmmm ‘pish’ with blow off valves and it doesn’t have neon lights & shit, so stealthy enough I suppose, but I don’t have the kiddie seats . . . maybe thats the trick?

Submitted by noizyboy on Thu, 2004-10-14 01:07.

// but I don’t have the kiddie seats . . . maybe thats the trick?

even better is having two kiddie seats, with two crying kids contained within...

"on your way, sir, apologies for delaying you..."

Submitted by LugHead on Thu, 2004-10-14 14:23.

//"on your way, sir, apologies for delaying you..."

yeah you'd better be sorry you green arse rookie M/F i'm late now godamn it!!!!!

ha ha wonder how well that would go down? . . . probably end up in the back of the station some rubber hose work ha ha

Submitted by Lucifer_Sam on Thu, 2004-10-14 19:33.

tesse is right - the cops dont care about public safety any more - just hurling people into gulags for possessing the slightest amount of herbal medications and giving out tickets for slightly exceeding the speed limit (speeding, WOF and Rego, and vehicle feature tickets are nothing more than cash cows to fund friday nights piss up, they have nothing to do with road safety)

as for the MoT - i can vividly remember those California style B&W Patrol cars - I Say bring em back, put mor epolice resources into fighting REAL Crimes ie. with victims rather than relying on a cash cow for Friday after works piss up by picking on some innocent motorist just cos they dont have a current Rego. - After all the LTSA just sell your personal details to finiance cos - but thats another story.

Submitted by rdor on Fri, 2004-10-15 21:11.

//tesse is right - the cops dont care about public safety any more - just hurling people into gulags for possessing the slightest amount of herbal medications//

don't you ever get tired of beating the same drum? It IS illegal, they can't change that.

Submitted by Mr Tamaki on Wed, 2004-10-13 19:54.

we're not going to be selling those guns

Submitted by Megaccino on Wed, 2004-10-13 21:37.

Reminds me of this weeks Reno 911 episode. Anyone else enjoy that show?

Submitted by Jon Jr. on Thu, 2004-10-14 15:42.

no

Submitted by simon_ishtar on Wed, 2004-10-13 21:40.

Anyone know exactly what went missing? I hear stories the police have Mostly plastic and composite Gloch pistols these days. I also hear that the steel strip down the handle is removed from police pistols so, theoretically, they should pass through airport security unnoticed.
Urban myth?
Anyone got some info on this?

[ http://www.ishtar.co.nz ]

Submitted by limegreen on Wed, 2004-10-13 21:48.

Only if they have plastic bullets. Airport security are particularly alert for such things. As a word of advice, do not buy cute 5mm high souvenir porcelain cups. They can really make your holiday a pain.

Submitted by LugHead on Wed, 2004-10-13 22:04.

//Anyone know exactly what went missing?

not exactly sorry, I remember reading about it the other day in the paper, it was something like 4 or 6 odd wepons, like air rifles & .22's maybe a handgun?
nasty stuff to go missing anyway.

Submitted by simon_ishtar on Wed, 2004-10-13 22:34.

True enough. They'll probably show up at some point in the future in some weird random way. Well I hope this is the case and not something to do with some gang killing or something.

Submitted by Lucifer_Sam on Thu, 2004-10-14 19:42.

While i strongly condemn any form of theft of the firearms and hope the fuckers who committed this crime are brought to justice, it just comes to show the consequence of NZ's most ludicrus firearms laws - yes I Agree that tighter gun control laws disarm only the law abiding citizen willing to defend his home from home invaders/burglars but rearms to the teeth bank robbers and potential mass murderers such as David Gray. Prior to the Arms Act. 1983 - New Zealands most significant arms control law. There had only been one mass shooting back in 1941. (Stanley Graham on the west coast) Since 1983 how many mass murders have we had? a grand total of 5, surely I Agree that we must do more to get the guns off the hands of criminals but disarming the general public (esp. farmers who live out of reach of any police presence) is causing more harm than good esp. how it takes 48-72 hours to respond to a burglary or home invasion with only a 25% chance of ever apprehending the offender/s, where as the police have a minimum hourly quota in terms of how many tickets are given out.

Again i condenm strongly the theft of the guns. I Do not in nayway condone firearm related crime, It just NZ's gun laws have created more problems than have solved.

Submitted by simon_ishtar on Fri, 2004-10-15 16:41.

Is NZ that tough on gun ownership? I didn't think we were

Submitted by Lucifer_Sam on Fri, 2004-10-15 18:52.

yes - The Arms Act. 1983 is the most significant firearms legislation in New Zealand to date and is backed up by the Firearms Act. 1992 passed after the Aramoana massacre.

New Zealand also has one of the highest rates of gun ownership in the western world.

Submitted by jimi on Fri, 2004-10-15 19:52.

It'd be interesting to find out what reasons people were buying guns. I'd bet that very few New Zealanders had guns specifically for home protection.

Submitted by foal30 on Fri, 2004-10-15 21:00.

Cos the Penis Enlargment clinic is booked up.
At least thats why I bought my arsenal.
Im also scared of Brown people.

Arms laws are an ass unto themselves. If i wish to act criminally in the eyes of the law, its ridiculos to suggest that i'll register and License My Gun, Myself, before liberating the local Bank/Bottle Store/Pharmacist.
How much Gun Crime is perp by Drug Addicts? Its like Ho Reform, the ambulance is parked squarley at the bottom of the cliff. Their are issues that need addressing before Laws are Librelized.
What are Guns for?
If you think the answer is Killing things, youre probably on the money. Why should members of society be terrorized because "Bush Shirt" wants to be banging Boar outback.
Yes Im advocating stopping people enjoying their chosen pasttimes, no I dont care, how many "Sensible Sentencing" types are gun owners? Now that collaboration will be high, methinks.
Remember you can always shoot me if Im wrong.

Submitted by rdor on Fri, 2004-10-15 21:18.

//Cos the Penis Enlargment clinic is booked up.
At least thats why I bought my arsenal.
Im also scared of Brown people//

Straight from Michael More. So your saying ALL firearms should be banned. Including single cartridge bolt action rifles, primitive one shot shotguns....... cause you know all gun owners are just midde aged, white, moustached masturbaters right? What a surprise.
I prefer to think that people aren't children and deserve some benefit of the doubt...

Submitted by foal30 on Sat, 2004-10-16 04:11.

Prefer away Honey, just dont come a crying when someone you love gets their head blown off.
Michael Moore? Shit, your library card must be getting a pounding, what with Modern Railwayer, and The life of Newt Gingrich.
Now for this weeks sermon,
The intelligisa, the highminded, the self proclaimed leaders of thought, hate this summary of Good and Bad, but I ask of you all, Guns serve us well? Put em in the Pornography, Abortion, Death penalty, Tax Evasion, Drug Pushing, Vivisection bin.
Just say no kids, cos Peace and Love is the new high...
And R'dor, if you aint already seen it try "The Corporation", broke the habit of a lifetime and actually went to the movies tonight.
Despite soundbites from your mate M.Moore, their was some good stuff in it.

Submitted by rdor on Sun, 2004-10-17 15:20.

//Prefer away Honey, just dont come a crying when someone you love gets their head blown off.//

Yeah, but also if they die in a car crash I'll demand that all private motor vehicles be banned. Or if they get beaten to death with a cricket bat, well, how well do cricket bats serve us?....... Jesus man, while it's possible to kill with a legally owned firearms, mass murders with .22 bolt actions just don't happen. More likely that gun deaths are the result of accidents, which would again be case enough for thier banishment according to you I guess. Or maybe the idea that people should be trusted with potentially dangerous weapons just offends you,,,

Submitted by foal30 on Mon, 2004-10-18 01:53.

Hullo Rdor,
Probably no-one in the Western World knows less about cars than myself, however, to the best of my knowledge, they where not designed for the explicit purpose of killing things.
This I think is an important difference, however our difference of opinion may be that you believe that it is a "Human Right" or "Personal Freedom" to have private gun ownership, which superseeds "The Communitys" right to not be shot, threatened, violated.
I am not advocating Gun control, i'd just like to see people making decisions, regardless, or even in spite of "The law", which positivly impact on the lives of "The community". All of the parrells [or at least the issues i throw in the same basket], in an above post, are not solvable by any legislation, the technology, the want, the means are there, that will not change.What must change is the value structure that places my personal freedoms, no matter the endangerment to others, as superior to all other considerations.
Guns/Firearms fall fairly and squarely into that pile for me.

Now "Classifaction" of guns.
Sorry Im really not very up with it, Im thinking a .22 is a small gun, primitve?As opposed to an AK47?
So certain Guns are OK because they really couldnt endanger many people because of the way their made/construct/rate of fire/power? I'll defeer till Im better schooled, thanks for the study guide/thought process, If I could blag some links/resource of Firearm Fatalities vs Type of Firearm that would be really helpful please, cos as stated above, Im not really informed on the issue at all.

What i'll throw at you is this, when we purchase firearms/Ammunitation, who are we directley endorsing with our disposable income? What does this say about the wants of our lesiure time vs the continuing and world wide epidemic of Gun deaths? If we can sue Ciggartee Manufactors, why not Gun makers?
I'll again be blunt, Weapons Makers are the Agents of Satan. My right to earn is worth more than anyone elses right to Life.

Finally for all the "left wingers" out their, Rdor's posts again provide a lesson in not only arguement construction, but in the variables that individuals use to formulate their belief structures.
Types of guns, very simple point, yet very simple Foal never thought of this.
All info on Crime vs Type o' Firearm greatly appriciated.
Ta all.

Submitted by rdor on Mon, 2004-10-18 15:15.

Of course it's possible to kill a person with almost any type of gun, but i'd say that a low calibre rifles are not mande for that purpose. They are made for hunting, target shooting etc... hence your argument that gun manufacturers that make these sort of weopons are peddling death is suspect. Why not ban archery while your at it. Ok that guy in the pakuranga Pizza Hut was killed by a sawn off .22, but then how many people are stabbed, doused with lighter fluid etc. I don't know much about guns, calibre refers to the diamter of the barrel/bullet. As far a I know it's next to impossible to own a military style weapon or a semi automatic pistol in NZ .

Submitted by rdor on Mon, 2004-10-18 18:04.

//I am not advocating Gun control//

um you are. Banning ownership of all firearms, making hunting and range shooting illegal, also probably because killing animals and eating meat are also wrong and shouldn't be encouraged...

Submitted by Fartweasel on Sat, 2004-10-16 06:54.

But then again, since when did making things illegal work? If the bad guys aren't gonna register their guns, and go round cappin people, you think they'll care that the cops won't let you have a gun? Guns on the black market is the last thing you need. Way to make sure -only- the bad fullas have them.
If they gave weed to people on the dole maybe people wouldn't bother shooting eachother.