that's been on repeat for the last 1/2 hour here. Mostly seems a bit heavier than the 'pacifier' stuff, although it's hard to judge from a minute and a half of demos.
it was so they would be popular in the states, shihad - jihad (terrorists). nevermind, they're on the right track now. and i dont think it'll affect their sales in the states
They understand the consequences. When Tom told me of the news, that was actually the first thing I checked with him.
Their idea pretty much is that if people like their music, then yay for them. If the people cannot see past their name, then they don't know what they are missing.
Hey I hate to rain on the parade but isn’t this all a bit gutless.
When I think of ‘Shihad’ I also think of ‘Marmite’ and ‘Jandels’ the name has become a New Zealand (and some Aussies will argue Australian) icon………even my mother knows who Shihad are (and she isn’t a bogan btw).
’Shihad’ was a great brand, the type of brand that a lot of New Zealanders identified with, the type of brand that some companies would pay millions for………and amazingly they threw it all away.
Everyone knows the name change was wrong, the band even acknowledged it on their web site but shit happens you should move on, make the most of what you have left and start rebuilding………like they started to do with ‘Pacifier’.
They put in heaps of hard work defending the ‘Pacifier’ name change, touring the name in the states and releasing an album under the name. The whole name change backlash was beginning to subside, they had made some headway (even if it was small) into the American market even managed to get a track on an American motion picture…….but to do an about face and dump their new brand seems fickle and a little ill advised to say the least.
I don’t know……I just think you should stick to your guns, if you want to be seen as credible and sincere, this new move by ‘Pacifier’, or should I say ‘Shihad’ (I don’t know) is neither.
The conspiracy theorist inside me would like to think its all a marketing ploy to increase media interest in the band before the release of their new album or some ‘jump on the bandwagon’ anti American statement, but that would be implying that they had some business savvy or spine, which after this latest move I considerable doubt.
Sorry to be a wet blanket, just trying to look at the other side of the coin.
Doesn't it take balls to admit (to a rather large group of people) that you made a mistake and to change your mind, and do what you think is RIGHT? What would be the point in them continuing to defend a name/brand that, they think, doesn't fit them?
Yeah you're right 'gutless' is a bit harsh, maybe 'stupid' would be a better word.
//What would be the point in them continuing to defend a name/brand that, they think, doesn't fit them?
umm...........the point would be to sustain the American/Australian/world fans they made under the Pacifier name. When they change their name back to Shihad there is going to be alot of fan base re-education needed, which will probably result in some pretty uncomfortable tours thru the southern states of America in the back of a mini van.........de ja vou.................or have they dumped their US fans?
Also credibility with future labels/radio stations etc.
They dont need to keep 'defening a name/brand that, they think, doesn't fit' anymore..........the defending period is long gone, New Zealand and Australia had moved on, which was proved on the Everything tour and BDO circuit.
Yeah, Emm. I think its fair to say that they have pretty much decided to pack in anything outside of NZ/Aust. I dont imagine that they will ever release anything or play live outside of NZ/Aust again. Except, maybe for some expats in the UK.
If people like the music, they will see past the name.
They will be releasing the album (if I remember correctly) in the UK and USA.
I'd say its testament to their will that they admitted they got it wrong, and are gonna move on.
They will not lose anything out of this. If anything, they will only gain support. The people that bagged them for changing the name to Pacifier , and ran away crying, should mostly come back, after the band admitted they were wrong. Then again, if fans ran away because they changed their name, they were not really fans in the first place.
Very recently you said " If they did change it back, it could be seen as being very incensitive. Not just to the US, but to a lot of other people. A mark of disrespect for the 9/11 families and friends."
Now they're not going to lose anything? Which is it?
you're right. i was getting used to pacifier, and although it never sat well with me, they were still the same band. i guess we'll have to wait and see how the "Shihad" albumn looks in american cd stores. honestly i dont see anyone picking up on/being at all concerned by the similarity to jihad
most people who would like shihad's music probably aren't going to be the flag-waving, foreigner-hating redneck sort of americans. The only difficulty, as they found before changing their name, is in getting the music out there - as the people who own the radio stations definitely are the above sort of americans.
I have to say, I'm a little sad. The reversion to Shihad represents to me that they have decided that they have climbed as high as the'yre going to go and they've pretty much decided to do the same things, play to the same audiences etc. Same goes for bringing in GGGarth again. I thought they are better than that and that they could take things further.
Oh well, at least they tried.
There's always Mount Maunganui on new year's eve for the next decade. Hey, it worked for Jordan Luck.
So, "Comfort Me" turned out to not be the giant smash hit anthem to unite a grieving post-9/11 America, and the band's decided that they're getting old and don't want to spend their days living in LA, getting fat on fried chicken and waffles while they desperately try to get big (musically, not arse-wise) in America, so they've decided to focus on their audience in Australian and New Zealand before they get too old to rock hard any more? Mm?
Delicious
Digg
Reddit
Facebook
Google
Technorati
YUS!...
YUS!
my thoughts exactly....
my thoughts exactly.
W0OOHOO!!...
W0OOHOO!!
///with Gggarth Richardson who ...
///with Gggarth Richardson who previously worked with them on The General Electric.
Thats even better news.....
we all pretty much know this would ...
we all pretty much know this would happen,
they should have never changed their name in the first place!!
Darn tootin!!!...
Darn tootin!!!
any other predictions we should know ...
any other predictions we should know about...
The Phoenix Foundation will change ...
The Phoenix Foundation will change their name back to... KOMOS!
Dude! I am so proud of them! that is ...
Dude! I am so proud of them! that is fucking awesome!
here i was thinking you'd have a go at ...
here i was thinking you'd have a go at them. you've sold out, bro.
buddy its only converse....
buddy its only converse.
woo hoo :)...
woo hoo :)
Not to mention the very very fucking ...
Not to mention the very very fucking chur mp3 sampler which altho its short, is currently on high rotate.
*guilty face* 20 mins on repeat......oh ...
*guilty face* 20 mins on repeat......oh god....
that's been on repeat for the last 1/2 ...
that's been on repeat for the last 1/2 hour here. Mostly seems a bit heavier than the 'pacifier' stuff, although it's hard to judge from a minute and a half of demos.
grab it while you can. not sure how ...
grab it while you can. not sure how long nzm can stand the downloading frenzy.
SHI-HAD! SHI-HAD! SHI-HAD!...
SHI-HAD! SHI-HAD! SHI-HAD!
¿shi had what?- ¿shi had a lie down?- ...
¿shi had what?- ¿shi had a lie down?- ¿shi had a cuppa tea?- ¿what?
Shi Had a wicked band...
Shi Had a wicked band
Wonder wat the americans will say bout ...
Wonder wat the americans will say bout this."shihad sounds like jihad". ah well, FUCK EM! SHIHAD FUCKING ROCK!!!!!
Awesome! Its a much better name for us ...
Awesome! Its a much better name for us bogans to relate to. Pacifier had too many syllables.
Woohoo!
That's fucking rad. Good for them....
That's fucking rad. Good for them.
This is a good day for nz music. ...
This is a good day for nz music.
Cheers to Tom for giving me the heads-up on the change last night.
and cheers to tom as well for giving ...
and cheers to tom as well for giving the heads-up to a few other people as well. Even if it was at 2am on a friday morning
cheers to tom for giving me the head!...
cheers to tom for giving me the head!
tom gives good head...
tom gives good head
I'm glad too....
I'm glad too.
why did they change their name to ...
why did they change their name to pacifier anyway?! jeez it seems pretty dumb
erm, it was only huuuuuuuge news......
erm, it was only huuuuuuuge news...
errr, sam's only very homosexual....
errr, sam's only very homosexual.
erm, marks only a sweaty man ...
erm, marks only a sweaty man beast.
SWEATY.
MAN.
beast.
it was so they would be popular in the ...
it was so they would be popular in the states, shihad - jihad (terrorists). nevermind, they're on the right track now. and i dont think it'll affect their sales in the states
Woo!! Shi-had Shi-had!! That rocks, it ...
Woo!! Shi-had Shi-had!! That rocks, it does seem a bit weird but rocks all the same. I'm so stoked to hear it.
Have they also realised that they ...
Have they also realised that they aren't going to make it big in America?
Next they'll be known as ¶. Or maybe ?.
They understand the consequences. When ...
They understand the consequences. When Tom told me of the news, that was actually the first thing I checked with him.
Their idea pretty much is that if people like their music, then yay for them. If the people cannot see past their name, then they don't know what they are missing.
Hey I hate to rain on the parade but ...
Hey I hate to rain on the parade but isn’t this all a bit gutless.
When I think of ‘Shihad’ I also think of ‘Marmite’ and ‘Jandels’ the name has become a New Zealand (and some Aussies will argue Australian) icon………even my mother knows who Shihad are (and she isn’t a bogan btw).
’Shihad’ was a great brand, the type of brand that a lot of New Zealanders identified with, the type of brand that some companies would pay millions for………and amazingly they threw it all away.
Everyone knows the name change was wrong, the band even acknowledged it on their web site but shit happens you should move on, make the most of what you have left and start rebuilding………like they started to do with ‘Pacifier’.
They put in heaps of hard work defending the ‘Pacifier’ name change, touring the name in the states and releasing an album under the name. The whole name change backlash was beginning to subside, they had made some headway (even if it was small) into the American market even managed to get a track on an American motion picture…….but to do an about face and dump their new brand seems fickle and a little ill advised to say the least.
I don’t know……I just think you should stick to your guns, if you want to be seen as credible and sincere, this new move by ‘Pacifier’, or should I say ‘Shihad’ (I don’t know) is neither.
The conspiracy theorist inside me would like to think its all a marketing ploy to increase media interest in the band before the release of their new album or some ‘jump on the bandwagon’ anti American statement, but that would be implying that they had some business savvy or spine, which after this latest move I considerable doubt.
Sorry to be a wet blanket, just trying to look at the other side of the coin.
// I don’t know……I just think you ...
// I don’t know……I just think you should stick to your guns
for sure. they should have done. they wasted a lot of time and pissed on a lot of fans - let's see if they can win us back.
//isn’t this all a bit ...
//isn’t this all a bit gutless
Doesn't it take balls to admit (to a rather large group of people) that you made a mistake and to change your mind, and do what you think is RIGHT? What would be the point in them continuing to defend a name/brand that, they think, doesn't fit them?
Yeah you're right 'gutless' is a bit ...
Yeah you're right 'gutless' is a bit harsh, maybe 'stupid' would be a better word.
//What would be the point in them continuing to defend a name/brand that, they think, doesn't fit them?
umm...........the point would be to sustain the American/Australian/world fans they made under the Pacifier name. When they change their name back to Shihad there is going to be alot of fan base re-education needed, which will probably result in some pretty uncomfortable tours thru the southern states of America in the back of a mini van.........de ja vou.................or have they dumped their US fans?
Also credibility with future labels/radio stations etc.
They dont need to keep 'defening a name/brand that, they think, doesn't fit' anymore..........the defending period is long gone, New Zealand and Australia had moved on, which was proved on the Everything tour and BDO circuit.
[ http://www.bbc.co.uk ]
Yeah, Emm. I think its fair to say ...
Yeah, Emm. I think its fair to say that they have pretty much decided to pack in anything outside of NZ/Aust. I dont imagine that they will ever release anything or play live outside of NZ/Aust again. Except, maybe for some expats in the UK.
Just like Jordan Luck.
If people like the music, they will see ...
If people like the music, they will see past the name.
They will be releasing the album (if I remember correctly) in the UK and USA.
I'd say its testament to their will that they admitted they got it wrong, and are gonna move on.
They will not lose anything out of this. If anything, they will only gain support. The people that bagged them for changing the name to Pacifier , and ran away crying, should mostly come back, after the band admitted they were wrong. Then again, if fans ran away because they changed their name, they were not really fans in the first place.
Hold up, Tahii. Very recently you ...
Hold up, Tahii.
Very recently you said " If they did change it back, it could be seen as being very incensitive. Not just to the US, but to a lot of other people. A mark of disrespect for the 9/11 families and friends."
Now they're not going to lose anything? Which is it?
//When I think of ‘Shihad’ I also think ...
//When I think of ‘Shihad’ I also think of ‘Marmite’
Yeah, it's like that song of theirs: "Marmite City! Marmite City! Marmite City!" Or was that My Mind's Sedate?
you're right. i was getting used to ...
you're right. i was getting used to pacifier, and although it never sat well with me, they were still the same band. i guess we'll have to wait and see how the "Shihad" albumn looks in american cd stores. honestly i dont see anyone picking up on/being at all concerned by the similarity to jihad
most people who would like shihad's ...
most people who would like shihad's music probably aren't going to be the flag-waving, foreigner-hating redneck sort of americans. The only difficulty, as they found before changing their name, is in getting the music out there - as the people who own the radio stations definitely are the above sort of americans.
Tahii are you going to reply? i've ...
Tahii are you going to reply? i've been waiting for ages.
[ http://www.shihad.fearofmotion.com ]
I have to say, I'm a little sad. The ...
I have to say, I'm a little sad. The reversion to Shihad represents to me that they have decided that they have climbed as high as the'yre going to go and they've pretty much decided to do the same things, play to the same audiences etc. Same goes for bringing in GGGarth again. I thought they are better than that and that they could take things further.
Oh well, at least they tried.
There's always Mount Maunganui on new year's eve for the next decade. Hey, it worked for Jordan Luck.
not exactly..... theres kinda a popular ...
not exactly..... theres kinda a popular belief that if The General Electric was released in the States they could been huge
Maybe, but thats all over now....
Maybe, but thats all over now.
So, "Comfort Me" turned out to not be ...
So, "Comfort Me" turned out to not be the giant smash hit anthem to unite a grieving post-9/11 America, and the band's decided that they're getting old and don't want to spend their days living in LA, getting fat on fried chicken and waffles while they desperately try to get big (musically, not arse-wise) in America, so they've decided to focus on their audience in Australian and New Zealand before they get too old to rock hard any more? Mm?