little surprised there has been no comment on the disasters befalling this corporate giant on these boards.
Looks like the Rolling Stones will be the next to bail
a common whinge seems to be the inability to deal with "the internet/downloading"
which a number of you have been quite forthright in lambasting the majors over
alternately does anyone care?
have labels become that irrelevant to our ability to access music...
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Yeah Hey, Again with this
Yeah Hey,
Again with this shit, guys, it doesn't matter how much more music the net now has it on, the labels still dominate most music industry because the major labels still have one thing that no indie/internet run label does have, total access to the channels that really really matter, Tv, Cable/Sky, Radio, Dude, Music Shops In Mall ( Jb-Hi-Fi, Cd & Dvd Store, Shit, The Warehouse ). Most definately in music industry, distribution is single thing that matters most, man you don't have that, don't try. Nothing is sadder seeing some guy, some group putting their world into their music and then having watch their world burn as every store in country completely refuses to sell it because it's crap, the single reson why they think it's crap is cos they don't know it ! Are you on radio ? No ! C4 ? No ! Juice ? No, we did get ourselves on Alt Tv ! Dude Alt Tv doesn't count, send them anything we'll play it, just forget it, get out the store ! So not what thirty year old guy wants to hear from a sixteen year old kid left to look after shop cos owner in his owns words has gone home to get drunk and fuck his girlfriend ! Fuck yeah man I miss my first job !!! :-)
So yeah, while I think the internet is best thing ever for new bands because it gets us to see and hear alot more music that we wouldn't be able to, because the major labels dominance on the major players in the industry, it still doesn't take away from the fact that some things are universal. You need major label to make it, the internet won't change it, all its really doing is what it's already doing, giving alot of other smaller private labels a chance and speaking personally guys you've gotta love it !!! The thing with EMI is that some new management thing has taken the entire place over and it's pissing alot the old guys, old guard off. Mick Jagger was the first who wanted out, Paul Mc Cartney left to team up with starbucks label but because the history he has with place, paraphone label, the dude being Paul Mc Cartney decided not to comment. Radiohead was first to speak out, they released their latest album on the net out of protest against actions EMI was taking out on them. Radiohead weren't delibrately being dicks, the story on it is unbelievably funny and fuck yeah you see it out there in the latest issue of Mojo buy it ! But yeah The Verve are next, holding back the release date of their new album, again in protest against actions of EMI just stacking ton of stuff, two thousand jobs are going go this January ?!? Jesus, sounds like another day in the life at the beatles label ...
the major labels dominate
the major labels dominate the music industry like rocks dominate a river. they dominate shit, the consumers dominate everything. the labels lead the way in complaining about their customers dwindling. what other industry does that? 99% of us were once loyal customers, now we just bypass them. cos we know they rip off the artist and the buyer in one fell swoop.
the milk buyers bought our own cows. and now their own cows are going on strike. and all they do is whinge, whinge whinge.
fucking reduce your prices you elitist fucks and figure out who's really killing the industry. and regarding industry.
why are we even talking about this on a music site of all places??
those labels have done the sure fire best to kill music in every way over the last ten years with their boy band saccharine tit's out for the lads 'artistes' frankly i'm tired of reading about music in new zealand in the same breath as 'the industry' .
so fucking what? what happened to the music? why are your industry insiders always slapping backs? grabbing ass? high fiving?
the leeches that bind. it's a sad thing. you guys seem to really be unable to separate the music from 'the industry'
all i ever seem ot be reading is how many albums a group sold, or where they are touring, or this deal or that deal. noone even fucking talks about songs anymore
just industry, figures, returns, income, opening doors, paving the way, apra cheques, bank ads, grants grants grants, nzoa
nzmic, rianz, apra, winz, helen helen helen, sucking the life and value out of music as magical realm.
robsta you talk about music shops refusing to stock albums?
what's up with that?
how much shelf space does a CD take?
radiohead are deliberately being dicks
in fact unintentionally, no choice about it, past their prime dicksmiths is how they're classified in my dictionary
they haven't made a decent album since OKComputer
and i'm more than happy to to take their album for free after forking out more than i should've to buy that ill conceived piece of crap hail the thief.
and hail me for sure
you,
you,
millionaires
you.
sure that gimmicky 'we're not capitalist when actually THEY ARE ashamed capitalist fakers' ball bounced back in their face
when they start adding up how much money they're throwing away
we all heard the bands they're ripping off years ago.
and the labels can only blame themselves
cos when they started releasing absolute tripe like bardot, take that, westlife, backstreet boys, boyzone, east 17, sclub 7, all those idol and popstar winners,
when they en masse (is that another one?) started pouring all their money down the fucking toilet, on trumped up shower singers it became clear, they don't give a fuck about music or money........from people who care about music.
so why should we care about them?
it's pretty obvious reading all your government hype that the value new zealand puts on music is random shit like how many songs get played on tv and the radio.....
who gives a fuck?
that's fucking incest is what it is
cos outside the begotten shores the only difference i hear
is more highclass NZ videos and songs with american voices blaring out all the good shit.
pere ubu never got played on the radio
that's why they invented stereo systems.
and video machines
and mp5 dispensers
and large rooms (or small) with wooden bars, and taps that pour not water, but beer!
the whole corporate schmooze smells so fucking bad, that it gets to the point like, who actually wants to write a fucking song when some fake ass grandstanding politician has manipulated the whole situation simply to score votes!!!!!!!!
yeah helen, i'm gonna sit down and write a song so you can say that Labour did it all
fuck labour
fuck national
i don't care there is more music on tv or the radio
never did
whole thing just makes it harder to see the shit 4 the bricks
and fuck EMI.
bigly.
Totally relate to this: all
Totally relate to this:
all i ever seem ot be reading is how many albums a group sold, or where they are touring, or this deal or that deal. noone even fucking talks about songs anymore
just industry, figures, returns, income, opening doors, paving the way, apra cheques, bank ads, grants grants grants, nzoa
nzmic, rianz, apra, winz, helen helen helen, sucking the life and value out of music as magical realm.
Superb.
Although, I do reckon In Rainbows is excellent, only good album those guys have done in ... a decade? Maybe because I like who they're ripping off, this time, though? About the false "we're not capitalist" thing, their manager went on record saying the MP3 download thing was done in the hopes of increasing CD sales, the theory being the album is SO amazing people will want to go out and get it as soon as they hear the 128kbps MP3 version... Hm.
If you can stomach more of this meta, not-about-the-music, stuff, I've got a link to a fairly interesting article, David Byrne's Survival Strategies for Emerging Artists, from the Audio Foundation mailing list. Alongside the text there're lots of audio bites with people like Eno, the head of Merge records (who released Arcade Fire's second album), Radiohead's managers, etc.
Good link. Very interesting.
Good link. Very interesting.
that David Byrne article
that David Byrne article was a good read. plenty of nice examples, very little sensationalism.
I'm probably not really as down on radiohead as i came across, you know how i get Jet. haven't actually downloaded the album but listened to the live performances of the album on youtube released for new years. again just felt that certain nihilistic despondency there that i find it increasingly hard to relate to, having said that, was really impressed by one song in the middle, on the video it was performed just vocals and 1 guitar. some unexpected changes and an etherealness indicating they still got it. don't know how that translated onto the actual LP takes. watched the whole thing a couple of times, but both time ended up feeling that thom really needs a hug and a bit of sunshine. which isn't a new thing obviously, but generally speaking, i find the melodies to be kind of self consciously 'not what they used to be.' - 'cool'.
Yeah Hey, Yeah, yeah,
Yeah Hey,
Yeah, yeah, totally, monkey purple dishwasher, what the fuck are you talking about man ?!? Bringing it back home, the rocks and river reference, music industry doesn't dominate dick, bullshit, they're everywhere, they're everything, without them you are nothing but piece shit artist with piece of shit loser band on piece shit indie internet run label like Powertool Records out in Nz. You know them, ever heard that name man ?!? No way you have, cos there small and independent and death to anybody dumb enough to sign to tiny insignificant label because what sort shit can they pull ? How much crap can they make happen ? Music industry completely dominates their customers tv, radio, cable/sky, shows in such way that net, fucking does not faze them ever !!! One thing the music industry hates is the illegally downloading but that's only because there once paying customers are busy downloading there music, that they own ! How much Arcade Fire, Die Die Die and Death Cab For Cutie do you really think is illegally downloaded compared to the copious crazy amounts of Hannah Montana, Justin Timberlake, Britney Spears, Robbie Williams ?!? Not alot because to the majority of population, Arcade Fire, Die Die Die and Death Cab For Cutie sucks balls badly !!! That's cos tv, radio, cable/sky, shows doesn't play enough Arcade Fire, Die Die Die and Death Cab For Cutie to make us notice them and the only reason why we really know them is because there's three more supposed indie bands that have recently drop their independent label for a major record label deal !!! Those dudes know what they're talking about ...
struck a nerve?
struck a nerve?
haha, TGIF no Robsta,
haha,
TGIF
no Robsta, haven't heard of powertool records? you must think the whole world lives up your ass funny man. this is nzmusic fucksake, thank god for editing function;p i've heard of Sclub 7 and they are piece of shit artist, with piece of shit loser band on piece of shit major label, also heard of flying nun (which has no relevance here, but since we're playing who knows what...). when you say what sort of shit can they pull to quote you loosely you mean money? robsta? who gives a fuck? money grows on trees dude. i'm talking about dominance and music. . the shit you scab a living off in the radio world and cd selling world. major labels don't dominate fuck man . people be just copying and selling it all they like.
all they do is dominate your tv show and your workplace soundscape. that's not the real world son. that's simply your tv and radio, those channels don't even make it to this far. turned that shit off years ago.
4 reality Robsta, you basing their dominance ion the fact that their Hannah Montana, Justin Timberlake, Britney Spears, Robbie Williams ?!? (who the fuck is hannah montana? these people i read about in the media, lily allen winehouse?i don't know who they r, just fucking names for headlines never heard this music but know an awful lot about their personal lives)is being downloaded so much that it's pushing these majors into the realm of dominance over the people who are illegally downloading it. that makes as much sense as helen without a strapon. come on man. yer brain. man. use it. i mean fuck, they're paving the streets with robbie williams here, that's not dominance, that's recycling the shit that isn't dominating so hard it no longer serves it's primary function.
obviously as someone who works in the media, you're naturally gonna think your job rulz and your industry dominates
and that's not the point
and fuck, we turn you off in swathes and wait for the whole missy album to download without your faggy fade out and voice over telling me the time for the fifth * in an hour
and don't get me wrong here
i'm down with the fact that the media dominates
but the majors?
compared to what era of history?
you wanna diss music? the die die die's etc
why not just wank?
it's better for your heart.
only pre teens are still sourcing their music from the tv/radio etc
and admittedly that be still a force
and if you wanted to make a case for radio tv dominating the music industry
i'd be willing to share some spice
but fuckhead
no problem saying that too
you're telling me "no rope, the majors do dominate"
because the the tv and radio dominates
then who really dominates?
you ?
or you mama?
make a choice quick
you can't have your Cate and eat her too
those dudes will know what debt is
and maybe one of those bands may at some time know what repaying debt is too
but i doubt all three will break even
but you know this already right?
you're just acting like a dumbfuck because you tried the other way and it didn't come off.
no?
i didn't say the music industry doesn't dominate
i said the majors don't dominate
they may dominate your brain waves
but i could name about 20000000000 people
that's about 1/3 the world to you
who live in countries who's media just censors the fuck out of those major label porn stars
u talk about access
to the media
but losing 263 million a year
is a slippery slide
to non access
which means they are fast becoming powerlesstools
go blink! and funtimes on the next weekend
and while we're here
i'm pretty sure powertool records
can print out a contract
make an album
and put on a gig
what were you expecting?
a facial?
a nude croquet tourney?
a vegetable marathon?
a fried chicken lasagne?
many leaky rooves?
a heap of emu feathers, painted, and glued to a hacky sack to make it fly better?
a gem and holograms sticker collection?
sure they probably won't be releasing madonna's next album
but they'll be making less of a loss than the poor fucks who are.
o and Robsta,
there's no need to pick on me just cos i got gramma
Ahhhhhhhhhhh.... I love it
Ahhhhhhhhhhh....
I love it when people read my posts, it like they give shit. The major labels ( Universal, Sony/Bmg, Emi etc. ) are the music industry they are what dominates and dictates everything and everybody else out there, that's where things are really at, is with those guys and those guys alone. You think people are real power in this world, please, I have learnt enough and read enough science, economics, and history to know you're wrong and you know it too, that's why this shit pisses you off ! Fuck yeah, you can't see how tv and radio already shapes our tastes and twists our thinking with just music, man if you just can't fucking see that, that with the music, the major labels already own tv and radio to such a big huge extent things are exactly where they always been, the major labels dominates 95% of music air time and smaller labels are left with 5%, dude if you don't see that, that major labels will always through there dominance make money ( only through internal bad management among those other excuses like illegally downloading, there profit margins are now gradually reduce ) while the independant labels will always lose money because the game is rigged in the major labels favor, they're been they're too long not to win, then fuck, you don't see that, then dude, don't argue with me, you don't get it !!! You've got to be on the same level someone to be in the same room as them and this is the last time I'm going let you in on something if you've not gonna listen to me ...
Anyway what alot of us don't realise is that the internet as we know it won't exist in ten to twenty years, there's alot theories to this, what I think is right one is as technology gets smaller and smaller, the more and more packed our mobile phones gonna get the more and more competitive the services on them will get to where they will start offering there own services on there phones like the internet. The internet in 2028 will probably only exist through different mobile phone companies, each different mobile phone company having there own internet service, the competiton being in who has the best stuff on it, leaving what is once something you get for free as something you will have to pay for on your phone. As mobile phones are starting become your own portable computer you can see how easy the internet will die and corporate power will take hold and all this downloading and crap people use to worry about won't exist as you are now thanks to Vodaphone forced to pay for your fucking music. It's the way world works dude ! People don't have power cos if we did then why do you think we keep fucking paying for it ?!? ;-)
crazy man, it's almost like
crazy man,
it's almost like we live on different planets,
different hemispheres for sure, if not different continents.
cool idea re the cellphones though
People don't have
People don't have power
Dude, speak for yourself.
Barbara Ellen an ex-NME
Barbara Ellen an ex-NME scribe writes a piece in todays Press extolling the new owner for sticking to the artists.I'm not in favor of this mobile phone thing.I have a near pathological hatred of the things
which has caused a few interesting conversations with teenage daughters
but I'm sticking to my guns
mobile phones are bad news
New owner of EMI or NME or
New owner of EMI or NME or the Press?
Guy Hands, EMI I've
Guy Hands, EMI
I've forgotten what else it was I wanted to say.
never hit the reply bit
I would gladly pay $20 to
I would gladly pay $20 to see a show by a band called the...
Prime Dicksmiths (thanks to rope)
that can be arranged
that can be arranged
Chuck Knoblaunch he has to
Chuck Knoblaunch
he has to testify before a jury over the steroids/baseball fiasco
imagine that court session
it be tough to not engage in double entranders and light smirking.
Ha! Man, you could have some
Ha! Man, you could have some fun with that name. He must have got some serious ribbing in school.
Still, I have to say the most hilarious actual nom de music I've heard recently is Get Cape. Wear Cape. Fly.